posted March 30, 2015 08:19 AM            

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/30/europe/france-germanwings-plane-crash-what-we-know/

Thanks for the info, 7th Guardian. I'm aware these are mostly tabloids, but I'm afraid the profile so far has some classical markers (of the horrific kind) of the profile Vajra suggested and I suspected, a mass murderer profile (personality disorder,control issues, night terror) On the other hand, it seems he was receiving heavy medication, anti-psychotic included. Still baffled how this can be missed at air company's tests and regular checkups.

It's also interesting to notice how he used suggestion on the pilot (mental suggestion and manipulation). If anyone can do this kind of subtle suggestion, sometimes by the mere presence and will, it is a Mars/Pluto conj, especially in Scorpio and with the Moon there as well, or any powerful Pluto (with Mercury, on ASC, angular etc.)

Ilunatique, it is interesting what you said about the Eclipse and vision, he was complaining about vision problems (of course, this was probably psychosomatic or medication related, but the astrological "coincidence" is a fact)

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posted March 30, 2015 02:31 PM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
RELIGION IS NOT INVOLVED IN THIS CASE. No report has even hinted at it, and the issue is more about his mental health and whether he truly had enough help. Please take your hateful bigotry somewhere else. If a Christian pilot downed the plane I wouldn't be hearing a peep out of you crying terrorism.

Everyone else is contributing great astrological analysis and you keep running in here derailing the thread trying to pin this on Islamic culture. There is much to be discussed on mental health, pilot exhaustion and overworking, and of course the astrology behind it.

If you want to push your extreme fundamentalist agenda, go post in athenegoddess' thread in Sweet Peas. Doing it here is selfish and harmful, and shows why bigotry in all forms still exists-if people continue to tolerate and promote such opinions you cannot get rid of the systemic issue.

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Exactly.

posted March 30, 2015 02:44 PM            

I don't like it. Chiron in the ASC means severy bullying, lack of self esteem, bad self image, insecurity. Chiron in 12th (karma karma karma - the "house of self undoing" manifesting as suicide)
Combining that with mars/pluto scorpio control issues. That Stellium involving Uranus, Mercury, Sun and Saturn.

Also Mercury is chart ruler and is afflicted by the conj with Saturn.

Not good at all. (My 2 cents on it :-D )

posted March 30, 2015 03:22 PM            

I saw LeeLoo2014's Leo rising theory and I dont agree with it. Jupiter on Midheaven even with aries being there doesn't bode well.

posted March 30, 2015 03:28 PM            

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Originally posted by birdy:
Thanks Vajra for the link.

I saw LeeLoo2014's Leo rising theory and I dont agree with it. Jupiter on Midheaven even with aries being there doesn't bode well.

Going to think of some Ascendants and post a chart on my opinion.

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Well, I could be wrong with the ASC, ASC is not my specialty, but why would Jupiter/Eris in Aries on MC be wrong in this case?

Vajra, 7th Guardian posted that link and it's a great article, very similar to our analysis, and she also checked progressions, good idea.

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posted March 30, 2015 04:27 PM            

Scorpio doesn't look bad either, with Chiron in the 8th and that stellium in the 1st, although his appearance is not that fierce...
I don't see him as DSC ruler Moon conj MC and Venus/Ceres in the 1st.

But, as I was saying, ASC is not my thing

I wonder what Kannon McAffee thinks of his ASC, he is a true specialist with those

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posted March 30, 2015 08:54 PM            

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
Other than the Sun sign and the generational placements - a difference of one day - can imply a completely different chart.

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One day would make a substantial difference for sure in the Moon's placement, and depending on the TOB the houses, and the planets within the houses. But in addition to the Sun and the outer planets, they share close conjunctions between Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Chiron, and the nodes. That's a lot. I also think the Sun-Saturn-Uranus, Mars-Pluto, and Jupiter by sign and aspects to the stellium were the main actors in this tragedy.

Mythologically, the Saturn-Uranus conjunction relates to that part of the Prometheus myth when Zeus chains Prometheus to a rock where the double-headed eagle tears at his liver. Prometheus being synonymous with Uranus. It was Chiron who freed Prometheus and in this chart it opposes the Sagittarius stellium. Could his Chiron have "saved" him? I'll have to think about that some more.

The main point I'm making is that two people can share and manifest the same formidable archetypal energies in radically different ways. That's because souls are at different levels of evolution and that's not something that can be determined, at least not in exoteric astrology.

posted March 30, 2015 10:01 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I also wanted to post this here, for they are the ones who really matter, the victims:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/03/25/world/europe/germanwings-victims.html

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Two teachers and 16 10th grade students and newlyweds among them.

posted March 31, 2015 01:36 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
One day would make a substantial difference for sure in the Moon's placement, and depending on the TOB the houses, and the planets within the houses. But in addition to the Sun and the outer planets, they share close conjunctions between Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Chiron, and the nodes. That's a lot. I also think the Sun-Saturn-Uranus, Mars-Pluto, and Jupiter by sign and aspects to the stellium were the main actors in this tragedy.

Mythologically, the Saturn-Uranus conjunction relates to that part of the Prometheus myth when Zeus chains Prometheus to a rock where the double-headed eagle tears at his liver. Prometheus being synonymous with Uranus. It was Chiron who freed Prometheus and in this chart it opposes the Sagittarius stellium. Could his Chiron have "saved" him? I'll have to think about that some more.

The main point I'm making is that two people can share and manifest the same formidable archetypal energies in radically different ways. That's because souls are at different levels of evolution and that's not something that can be determined, at least not in exoteric astrology.

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hi peony,

Very insightful, as usual!

If you've had any further thoughts on his Chiron, it would be great if you share them.

Apart from being interested in his chart and what energies were at play, I myself have this aspect (Chiron sits opposite my Saturn-Uranus), as do a few of my friends, as we were born around the time he and Chelsea Manning were born, so all of the insights and analyses of his chart on this thread are of 'double' interest to me

One theme which has been very dominant both for me and for my friends over the past years, has been sheer exhaustion and frustration with the structures of the corporate and/or economic world. We have all been suffocating in our own way, despite the fact we're all in different fields. When this thread started, my instinct was to look at Lufthansa first rather than the co-pilot, which I realise might have been biased (even though I still believe they are largely to blame ), but it does show my hostile mentality towards the current corporate system, which all people my age (who I know) share. If this is indeed a common theme among all of us with this placement, and has been activated with the Pluto/Uranus square (whereby transit Pluto has been conjuncting our natal Uranus/ Saturn, and transit Uranus has been squaring them), then this explains this wide-spread (in my group) passionate desire to $%#@ the system, and it explains the few extreme cases we've seen of people achieving it. With the other heavy placements and aspects in Andreas Lubitz's chart which were identified on this thread, and the other factors from his personal life which appear to be coming to surface, it looks like a pretty explosive combination.

posted March 31, 2015 03:34 PM            

The wounded becomes the wounder.