posted June 03, 2015 02:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Some friend you are.

Well I'm glad you had good Pluto transits Ceri.

I'm partial to Saturn, you'll forgive me, but he's my ruler after all. I feel like Saturn says, "Do what I say and you will get a treat. "

Pluto says,"Do what I say or else you better watch out because you are going down in flames while your enemies applaud. And by the way, yes, you have enemies. "

And then you do it and Pluto says, "Fine, now do more."

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If you have no enemies you can only love your friends, and enemies need it more.
Mercury says
Venus wants
Mars act
Jupiter expands
Saturn limits
Uranus flips
Neptune clouds
Pluto deepens.

Maybe you need to start loving your Pluto
and it could then love you back. Take the first step and forgive your Pluto for stroking you so deep.

posted June 03, 2015 03:10 PM            

This is BRILLIANT! Can I steal it and use your name as the author, if you want. People would get a lot out of reading this!

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posted June 03, 2015 03:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Seimei:
Maybe you need to start loving your Pluto
and it could then love you back. Take the first step and forgive your Pluto for stroking you so deep.

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It might help to know what the "stroking so deep" is ultimately intended for.

"Pluto is the deity with the attributes of a serpent. He is a healer, a giver of health, spiritual and physical, and of enlightenment."

The Secret Doctrine, H.P. Blavatsky

posted June 03, 2015 03:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b]Mercury says
Venus wants
Mars act
Jupiter expands
Saturn limits
Uranus flips
Neptune clouds
Pluto deepens.

This is BRILLIANT! Can I steal it and use your name as the author, if you want. People would get a lot out of reading this!

[/B]

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You may. And Thank you

posted June 03, 2015 03:44 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:
It might help to know what the "stroking so deep" is ultimately intended for.

"Pluto is the deity with the attributes of a serpent. He is a healer, a giver of health, spiritual and physical, and of enlightenment."

The Secret Doctrine, H.P. Blavatsky

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WOW, using Blavatsky.
Thank you. I was just going with the to make us deeper part being understood. Sun and Pluto speaking thru my H12 Mercury rx.

posted June 03, 2015 03:56 PM            

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posted June 03, 2015 04:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Seimei:

Mercury says
Venus wants
Mars act
Jupiter expands
Saturn limits
Uranus flips
Neptune clouds
Pluto deepens.

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Sun radiates
Moon craves

posted June 03, 2015 04:36 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
For every thing pluto has taken away from me, there's something else I received that I wouldnt exchange for the whole wide world.

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I got all emotional reading this. Yes it's true I have emerged from the cave with some jewels, so to speak. I love these jewels. But sometimes I miss what got lost in that dark cave...

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Originally posted by theunknown:
Good god, I am going through t.pluto conjunct venus and t.uranus square venus. The uranian effects are much worse

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The whole shakedown is something else, right? Your Venus is conjunct my sun then.

I feel like I'm going nuts.

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posted June 03, 2015 04:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
But isn`t it amazing that you CAN do more? Sdo much more than you thought you were capable of?

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It's weird how long I just stared at your question. Like if I circle "Yes" here, Pluto will gloat. If I say "No," Pluto will whip me again.

I hate you, Pluto.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
And I was NOT fond of the Tr Pluto to my Mars, as this coincided with my grandfather having a stroke, which restructured all our lives (and the second hit happened just 2 days before something else took place, that was important for me).

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
It was right in the middle of that period (november 2012), that I decided to lose weight, and I suspect Pluto being one factor in it being such a smooth run actually (of course it was work, and discipline and I don`t knoww aht, but it worked out)

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That actually is encouraging to hear. Thanks for the perspective, and you know I'm so impressed with your weight loss.

posted June 03, 2015 04:55 PM            

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Originally posted by peony:

But, I'm glad I got the hard part over early on. I wouldn't trade Pluto for anything. I hear it takes tremendous pressure to make a diamond.

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You have a really interesting story. Thanks for sharing, peony.

posted June 03, 2015 04:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Seimei:
Maybe you need to start loving your Pluto
and it could then love you back. Take the first step and forgive your Pluto for stroking you so deep.

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posted June 03, 2015 05:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Geminiyoungster:
... its like i'm always walking on egg shells around ppl.

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Me,too.

The weird thing is I'm always crushing the eggshells anyway, so when I complain about hurting someone's feelings by accident, people are like, "Oh you didn't mean to? But you did it so well."

It's like, why do I even bother....

Anyway good luck to us.

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Btw I feel weird answering everyone's comments sequentially but I'd feel weirder only answering some.

posted June 03, 2015 05:08 PM            

Sun SQ Pluto
Venus SQ Pluto
Mars SQ Pluto
Mars in 8H

At first I disliked all of these aspects. They can make me very obsessive, jealous, and a bit controlling. But in the last 4 years, I've learned to love all of them. After learning and understanding these aspects, I am better under controlled.

posted June 03, 2015 05:12 PM            

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Originally posted by CosmiqPhuz:
Venus and Mercury conjunct Pluto in Scorpio here. Growing up, I thought it was normal to be obsessed with people/things. Or think and think repeatedly about something until my brain fried. Turns out not everyone is like that.

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I'm like that.

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Originally posted by CosmiqPhuz:
At this point, I've gotten used to it and try to carry that energy in a positive way (if it's possible). Sometimes, I do wonder what it would be like to have more lighthearted placements. I have Libra Sun/Moon/Mars, but it almost feels like they get overshadowed.

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I can imagine. I feel like my Libra Pluto overshadows my Capricorn sun....especially since my progressed sun has been in Aquarius for so long, and it's easy being nice.

But transiting Pluto is now plunked down on my sun saying "Haha finally victory is ours! Topple the balance and be the ruthless goat!! "

I haven't been competitive for a long time but this transit is making me competitive and I loathe it. Like I catch myself being myself and I'm like, "I thought we got rid of you once and for all."

posted June 03, 2015 05:23 PM            

But yes... Sun square Pluto, Venus (chart ruler and apex of t-square) semi-square Pluto exact. Oh and Venus rules my 8th, so it's naturally more Plutonian. Aaaand that also means my 8th house ruler is the apex of a t-square.

The intensity and obsessiveness are horrible. At least, at first, I had a hard time accepting it - would beat myself up, like, "Damn, why do I always have to be like this, why the h*ll can't I just stay calm like everyone else?" especially in relationships (the Venus aspect, and the Sun is another significator for men anyway).

The funniest thing is, I don't think I even had that much of a problem with my sensitivity until my family did and just always gave me a hard time for it. Same with teachers, classmates, friends, relationships. Like, I'm very Lunar and Neptunian, too, so I also cling a lot and just tend to accept too much from other people, so eventually, I let everyone talk, beat and bully me into hating my intensity as much as everyone else did. I spent like 15 years always trying to be what other people wanted me to be, would get brutal on myself for every type of reaction I got that was too "emotional" (a.k.a. what I thought was childish, being a drama queen, etc.). It was even worse - a real bitter taste in my mouth - when my family indeed became much nicer to me when I was nice, polite and completely level in every single way. In college, I had everyone wanting to be friends with me and quite a few guys interested in me, but did they really like me for who I was? I'm not sure, 'cause I was just so... cool-headed. Everything was cool. Nothing hurt or angered me. And while I was a complete shell, taking anti-depressants and anxiety meds to level my emotions even more - for everyone else's convenience! - people close to me loved it, were all "Oh God, you've become so much more mature and peaceful, it's great."

And eventually, I realized that was wrong. I didn't want to be loved if I had to stuff down 20 years of trauma while riddled with all kinds of meds for others to love me. After starting with therapy 2 years ago, I've come to really accept myself and while life has certainly not been easier, at least I can say I feel more at peace with myself. Even when I'm falling into depression again because a friendship or relationship is failing, even when I'm riddled with nerves for exams... it's better this way.

So what I mean is that Pluto is one tough dude who forces you to always be true to yourself. If you don't think of why exactly you want/want to do something, he'll come down hard on you. It's not really fair, but it's just what it is - you have to look at yourself at all times, know yourself.

And yes it's a huge d*mn load and tons of pressure. But I can say that it's helped me meet some people who are true quality. Like... even with you and Muddy here (and Bella and Doux), you guys were one of the first people who didn't tell me to just shut up about my problems, who didn't walk away or get ****** and tell me to stop feeling sorry for myself when I was having problems. And that just means so much to me. All of you remind me of my two best friends in a fandom before this one, who were the first ever (together with that college class) to show actual sympathy for me in like... 10 years?

And it helped me work out all issues I had - especially the lingering ones - with my family. Which I'm very thankful for. If I hadn't dived in, I would still be carrying that much hidden, unconscious anger and even rage at what they put me through. Past "friends" and boyfriends, same. (And the worst part was, I never even felt any anger or sadness, no matter how justified... I'd stuffed everything that far down.)

Anyway, yes, Pluto is just a really heavy energy and often feels like it's just too much. OHH and true, like no matter how much you work on you, it's just still not enough. Pluto wants it all... but what is 'all'?

posted June 03, 2015 05:25 PM            

Thanks for your reply, Watercolordaydream.
Oh and Bella and Rie, too! Hi!

Be back later.

posted June 03, 2015 05:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Is that accurate to say?

I feel like every Pluto aspect except for the trine and sextile is downright hard or impossible.

I have sun square Pluto natally, so everything I do is wrong. I have an 8H moon and everything I feel is too intense. I have a Scorpio NN so yay, I get to venture further and further into the heart of darkness if I want to fulfill my destiny. Sounds awesome.

Thank God I do not have Venus-Pluto aspects.

Anyway, I'm curious if anyone else gets grumpy about Pluto. Super demanding, never-satisfied SOB of a planet.

Maybe I should have called this the Pluto venting thread. I just want to know I'm not alone.

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Aww, well as a Sun square Pluto I can relate, but....I actually love Pluto! Saturn is kind of the selfish jerk in my chart, and Pluto is the guy that although uncomfortable at times, makes me change for the better.

I think it is that 8th house moon influence too, there is nothing superficial about you- you dig very, very deep at least based on our conversations.

My Pluto aspects can definitely bring challenges at times, but I really love the intensity. My issues are more of finding a balance between work and home life, as I tend to place work ahead too much. But, at the same time I have become seriously transformed by my job experiences.

I laughed so far at the War Room reference. one of the funniest scenes. Reach far enough and you will hit the stars!

posted June 03, 2015 08:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
The whole shakedown is something else, right? Your Venus is conjunct my sun then.

I feel like I'm going nuts.

Don't tell anyone.

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posted June 03, 2015 09:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I can imagine. I feel like my Libra Pluto overshadows my Capricorn sun....especially since my progressed sun has been in Aquarius for so long, and it's easy being nice.

But transiting Pluto is now plunked down on my sun saying "Haha finally victory is ours! Topple the balance and be the ruthless goat!! "

I haven't been competitive for a long time but this transit is making me competitive and I loathe it. Like I catch myself being myself and I'm like, "I thought we got rid of you once and for all."

Or something like that. LOL

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Comforting to know I'm not the only one!

What makes you feel your Pluto overshadows your Sun? Just curious.

Competitive isn't always a bad thing. It pushes you to improve.

I forgot about progressed Sun. I'm probably somewhere in Scorpio now..... which explains a lot. My natal Sun is Libra 27 degrees.

posted June 03, 2015 10:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Is that accurate to say?

I feel like every Pluto aspect except for the trine and sextile is downright hard or impossible.

I have sun square Pluto natally, so everything I do is wrong. I have an 8H moon and everything I feel is too intense. I have a Scorpio NN so yay, I get to venture further and further into the heart of darkness if I want to fulfill my destiny. Sounds awesome.

Thank God I do not have Venus-Pluto aspects.

Anyway, I'm curious if anyone else gets grumpy about Pluto. Super demanding, never-satisfied SOB of a planet.

Maybe I should have called this the Pluto venting thread. I just want to know I'm not alone.

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Yes. I'm glad that I only have a couple of harsh pluto aspects natally. Some of the transits have been brutal. If it isn't me, then it's someone in a position to affect me, you know? So it gets me anyway.

posted June 03, 2015 11:22 PM            

Lol sorry , I always get a rainbowiish feeling around you, so it feels appropriate to put one next to your name in a pluto thread

More on topic, I can understand where you are coming from with associating pluto with discomfort. It is one aspect of many pluto themes for sure. Although I have more trines, I have one opposition.(Venus-Pluto) I almost feel that there were levels of graduation with the opposition. And of course it concerned more a certain area in my life, a certain time in my life. Here's the thing, with harsh aspects there's certain lessons to be learned. Once the lesson is leaned, the tension in these harsh aspects will cease to exist. You will be lifted of the tension once you figure out and accept what you want to do to improve. Turning this acceptance into action is very very important.

All this has been my personal experience anyway and I hope you find your way with it Faith....

posted June 04, 2015 12:18 AM            

I am always surrounded by wise and knowledgeable people, but I rarely take their advice. I am arrogant, yes, but my inability to take advice has more to do with how I learn. I can't just do because someone tells me to.

I have to plunge to the depths before I desire the heights.

Someone once told me, that's a hard way to live

It is, but my life is the only one I know, so no, I don't want anything else.

Pluto-Venus