posted June 12, 2015 11:15 AM            

Pluto will obviously hit you (increasingly) hard until you get the message it has for you. When you get the message and consciously embrace your inner transformation, what is the point in the same message appearing again?

Is it because the lesson hasn't been fully integrated yet?

posted June 12, 2015 12:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I loved reading this. I think I'm going through the same process. Well, I think I've gotten way off track in life and need a massive amount of effort to amend the situation. It's daunting and I don't know if I'll succeed. Wish me luck? and I'll wish you the same.

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It's like waves, the current of water will always come back towards the ocean!

Wishing you much love and luck Faith! <-- it's already written in your name!

posted June 12, 2015 02:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
@the unknown ~ Good luck with that...

You know that I know moon-Pluto.

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posted June 13, 2015 05:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Ello Rie!

Thanks so much, and likewise, of course!

Oh and here's a song for you....I already sent it to Bella...reminds me of the Cap energy combined with Neptune/Pisces:
Resilience

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Hey, Faith

I'm really sorry for not replying. Things have become overwhelming and I'm coping with a lot of stress and personal problems right now. Pluto's been turning me inside out again.

Really sorry you're struggling this much, too, and especially the feeling of wanting to do all of these crazy things and not being able to, feeling trapped. I don't really know what else to say except for that of course I hope you'll find something - a hobby or such that will take away some of that restlessness and can be your outlet.

and welcome about supplying the words for you. You do that a lot for me as well!

Thanks for the mention, Voix and Ceri, by the way.

posted June 16, 2015 07:25 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
T!!! Hi!!

What's weird is that I relaxed just over a week ago, and I've been a bit happier. I've had good news about several things in recent weeks, my parents are mostly okay, my dog is in very good health for his age... I think my brain is finally catching up to the good news. It's like I stopped holding my breath, waiting for the next bad thing. I'm still wary, but calmer than I was.

I'm constantly moving between wanting to hide away, and wanting to be out in the world.

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I'm so happy to hear that!

& i know what you mean about wanting to be out in the world and then needing to shut it out.

Hope things stay good for you for awhile

posted June 16, 2015 07:34 PM            

Love that Andrew Wyeth quote! I hadn't read it before. I do the same

posted June 16, 2015 07:35 PM            

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Originally posted by meissieri:

Ohhhh and hope this doesn't sound too creepy... I smile reading your conversations with T (even though I don't really know her), there's such a natural vibe reading them.

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posted June 18, 2015 11:45 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
So what do you insightful people think about repeating motifs with Pluto?

Pluto will obviously hit you (increasingly) hard until you get the message it has for you. When you get the message and consciously embrace your inner transformation, what is the point in the same message appearing again?

Is it because the lesson hasn't been fully integrated yet?

Pluto = discomfort indeed

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I've been thinking about this. I don't think Pluto is about sending a message or teaching lessons. Sounds reasonable enough, but it seems to me like a Saturnian take on Pluto.

When I think about the Persephone myth, or Inanna/Ereshkigal, or the Eros and Psyche myth, these are all narratives that are profoundly Plutonic. I don't get the sense that these persons and the ordeals they go through are intended to be lessons. I think what's going on in these myths is Initiation. Lessons and initiation are radically different things. Lessons are add ons to our storehouse of knowledge. Initiation is a radical restructuring or deconstruction of the personality and a coalescing around a much deeper and larger Identity.

Persephone's Initiation or radical deconstruction begins with a violation, which is also part of Ereshkigal's story. Psyche experiences a blissful union with Eros and then loses him - a shock that nearly drives her to suicide. She tries to hide from Aphrodite - like we all do, but in the end submits to a series of trials she is put to by the Goddess of Love. The story ends with the marriage of Eros and Psyche.

The Eros and Psyche myth strikes me as a Venus-Pluto story and also a Channel 51-25 story. It has all the elements of Venus-Pluto: the intense and magical experience of the lovers, the shock, abandonment, jealousy, betrayal, revenge, and the drama and turmoil that culminates in the sacred marriage.

Another thing: Pluto is synonymous with Eros. The thing about Pluto-Eros is he doesn't conform to human values. He's always popping up and firing his arrows at us and we fall in love, whether the other person is available or not, or is the "right" sex or not, or the proper age or social status. So, I don't see it as a lesson or repeating a lesson. It's simply the nature of this divinity to act through us.

Jung was in advanced old age when he wrote his autobiography "Memories, Dreams, Reflections." He put it a little differently. He said "For we are in the deepest sense the victims and the instruments of cosmogonic 'love.'"

posted June 19, 2015 04:13 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:
I've been thinking about this. I don't think Pluto is about sending a message or teaching lessons. Sounds reasonable enough, but it seems to me like a Saturnian take on Pluto.

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Ha! I certainly live up to my username Thank you for putting this in a different perspective Peony, I was caught in a mental loop about it, but your observations, as always, helped tremendously in understanding the dynamics here.

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When I think about the Persephone myth, or Inanna/Ereshkigal, or the Eros and Psyche myth, these are all narratives that are profoundly Plutonic. I don't get the sense that these persons and the ordeals they go through are intended to be lessons. I think what's going on in these myths is Initiation. Lessons and initiation are radically different things. Lessons are add ons to our storehouse of knowledge. Initiation is a radical restructuring or deconstruction of the personality and a coalescing around a much deeper and larger Identity.

Persephone's Initiation or radical deconstruction begins with a violation, which is also part of Ereshkigal's story. Psyche experiences a blissful union with Eros and then loses him - a shock that nearly drives her to suicide. She tries to hide from Aphrodite - like we all do, but in the end submits to a series of trials she is put to by the Goddess of Love. The story ends with the marriage of Eros and Psyche.

The Eros and Psyche myth strikes me as a Venus-Pluto story and also a Channel 51-25 story. It has all the elements of Venus-Pluto: the intense and magical experience of the lovers, the shock, abandonment, jealousy, betrayal, revenge, and the drama and turmoil that culminates in the sacred marriage.

Another thing: Pluto is synonymous with Eros. The thing about Pluto-Eros is he doesn't conform to human values. He's always popping up and firing his arrows at us and we fall in love, whether the other person is available or not, or is the "right" sex or not, or the proper age or social status. So, I don't see it as a lesson or repeating a lesson. It's simply the nature of this divinity to act through us.

Jung was in advanced old age when he wrote his autobiography "Memories, Dreams, Reflections." He put it a little differently. He said "For we are in the deepest sense the victims and the instruments of cosmogonic 'love.'"

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Thank you so much, Peony! This is profoundly inspiring!
And it is a 100% accurate description of all of my personal experiences, the latest one especially so.

By the way, my asteroid Psyche conjuncts my Pluto exact!
Pluto: Scorpio 11°57'
Psyche: Scorpio 11°46'

posted June 19, 2015 05:02 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:
I've been thinking about this. I don't think Pluto is about sending a message or teaching lessons. Sounds reasonable enough, but it seems to me like a Saturnian take on Pluto.

When I think about the Persephone myth, or Inanna/Ereshkigal, or the Eros and Psyche myth, these are all narratives that are profoundly Plutonic. I don't get the sense that these persons and the ordeals they go through are intended to be lessons. I think what's going on in these myths is Initiation. Lessons and initiation are radically different things. Lessons are add ons to our storehouse of knowledge. Initiation is a radical restructuring or deconstruction of the personality and a coalescing around a much deeper and larger Identity.

Persephone's Initiation or radical deconstruction begins with a violation, which is also part of Ereshkigal's story. Psyche experiences a blissful union with Eros and then loses him - a shock that nearly drives her to suicide. She tries to hide from Aphrodite - like we all do, but in the end submits to a series of trials she is put to by the Goddess of Love. The story ends with the marriage of Eros and Psyche.

The Eros and Psyche myth strikes me as a Venus-Pluto story and also a Channel 51-25 story. It has all the elements of Venus-Pluto: the intense and magical experience of the lovers, the shock, abandonment, jealousy, betrayal, revenge, and the drama and turmoil that culminates in the sacred marriage.

Another thing: Pluto is synonymous with Eros. The thing about Pluto-Eros is he doesn't conform to human values. He's always popping up and firing his arrows at us and we fall in love, whether the other person is available or not, or is the "right" sex or not, or the proper age or social status. So, I don't see it as a lesson or repeating a lesson. It's simply the nature of this divinity to act through us.

Jung was in advanced old age when he wrote his autobiography "Memories, Dreams, Reflections." He put it a little differently. He said "For we are in the deepest sense the victims and the instruments of cosmogonic 'love.'"

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posted June 19, 2015 01:03 PM            

Pluto aspects almost everything in my chart and I can definitely say that my life has been a series of traumatic events, hardships and forceful transformations. But I honestly wouldn't change it for anything. Sure Pluto can be brutal, especially-ESPECIALLY- if you try to resist what it's bringing into/taking out of your life. But once you learn to respect Pluto and the lessons and transformations he brings to you, your life will go alot smoother. Resist and he'll smack you in the face like a sledgehammer and then kick you while you're down. Respect Pluto and Pluto will respect you. I think that's the basic premise of what Pluto is here to teach us.

I've suffered with depression and anxiety most of my life, although that's gotten better recently through self-development and spiritual work I've been doing, I've had an eating disorder that almost killed me, been through abusive relationships, had a few near-death experiences and grew up in a dysfunctional family where fighting was the norm and my parents divorced when I was 5. I was bullied and picked on in school, although I always seemed to have a few close friends which helped me not care as much about those kids that picked on me. I've BEEN the bully, especially when i was in pre-school and kindergarten. I'd hit and push other kids and blame things on them that they didn't even do to get them in trouble. I think that acting out was how I dealt with all the fighting going on at home between my parents and oldest sister, and it mostly resolved once my sister moved in with my gma and my parents divorced.

My life has been a non-stop rollercoaster ride of emotions and there have been many times where I wished I could just stop the rollercoaster and get off the ride - I've even contemplated suicide although I've never had and never would have the guts to actually go through with it. I've now thankfully reached a point in my life where I can see the lessons I've learned from all the difficult things I've been through. I've reached a point where I love myself and I can fully allow myself to feel my emotions and deal with situations as they happen rather than stuffing them down and trying to ignore and resist everything like I tried to do in the past.

Nothing in life is permanent. The sooner you learn that and learn to appreciate what you have while you have it and learn to let go without holding on for dear life when it's time to let go, however hard it may be, that's when you're truly free.

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posted June 20, 2015 09:38 AM            

Read this today and thought it fit and i'd slip it in here.

posted June 20, 2015 06:27 PM            

Sorry that I've ducked out of this thread for a while...sometimes just living a Pluto transit makes it hard to talk about hardship. Like, I come here for levity and to forget what's bugging me. That's why I stay off this thread sometimes.

But I've been reading carefully, and thank you so much for your contributions, all of you.

posted June 20, 2015 11:08 PM            

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Welcome Steph

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Thank you Ami!!

posted June 21, 2015 10:15 AM            

I want to take out time to say I always love your quotes . I can remember for almost as long as I've been here , I always love the quotes you choose to share

posted June 23, 2015 05:28 AM            

http://www.theverge.com/tldr/2015/6/16/8792183/pluto-new-horizons-erik-wernquist-wanderers

posted June 23, 2015 08:56 AM            

Thanks SaturnFan! I didn't know we were going to have a Pluto fly-by on July 14th.

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The US space agency has published the first 'near-true color' images of the remote dwarf planet Pluto and its largest satellite taken by the New Horizons telescope. The picture quality leaves much to be desired, but NASA promises the best is yet to come.

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Ya know, too much interior paint in my house matches Pluto.

posted June 24, 2015 04:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

Ya know, too much interior paint in my house matches Pluto.

Figures.

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