posted June 09, 2015 08:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Definitely yes, mentors of each other.

My one Virgo moon friend seems to be comforted by the fact that I am so imaginative and yet still, I can pull off a good impersonation of sanity. It shows her that she can do the same.

Meanwhile, I am so comforted that she has technical names and solutions for so many of my issues. That she is the epitome of levelheaded, and yet accepts me anyway.

So nice talking with you, best wishes for continuing happiness with your guy.

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Aww thank you Faith. We do love each other deeply, in our own ways. It may not be forever, but then, what is?

I think you hit the nail on the head, with the struggle to articulate, I can see how Virgo would be helpful for this, and of course, very happy to help!

I didn't really mean any Moon was "better" than another, but I do think Pisces Moon can access subtleties, impressions, and abstractions that other Moons may not even notice.
I guess other Neptune influences elsewhere in charts could also assist with this though.

posted June 09, 2015 11:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Are you up for adoption? You're so cute!

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hehe, we can certainly have play dates, that's for sure!!

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Another thing that I have realised about aspects is that yes, we can feel the pain, and process through the pain that's triggered by these aspects, however, after processing, placing awareness and then understanding it, we transmute these in order to grow from the lessons these planets/aspects are trying to teach us.

We can either sit and prey victim or face the monster and do the self work (great work).

posted June 09, 2015 01:14 PM            

But those two squares, gosh... Pluto lies in my 9th house so it's all connected to my principles, world view, philosophy, my vision of how should I lead my life etc. and these things are extremely important to me, my feelings (Sag Moon), my sense of identity, and they are a bit unconventional and a bit out there.

But the thing is, because of my air and Virgo placements people think I'm very pleasant, social, lovely, charismatic etc. and are astonished when I show them my plutonic side, I can get very unpleasant, firm and loud if need be. Bullying me into shutting up doesn't work for me. I used to repress expressing my opinions if I was over numbered, because I was like, it doesn't matter, lets all have a good time, I can wait patiently and quietly to be over,... But not anymore, no sir! Last time I was seeing two friends of mine, they were like; why are you so angry, what's with the attitude, you're so different today? It made me really annoyed, because that's me, take it or leave it, I can't be all bubbly and happy all the time. I am a *ucking serious person and if you haven't realized that in all this time, well, that's just your fault.

I used to always be the one cheering people, lifting them up, eating their depressed moods away, I felt like it was my duty. I just don't do it anymore.

posted June 09, 2015 02:25 PM            

There's no lukewarm.

posted June 09, 2015 09:36 PM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Personal experience, I've found the 1st house to be harder, but I also have a stellium there so there is no hiding from Pluto. For some reason I didn't find the 12th house transit to be bad. It definitely brought some issues to the surface, but I've found the 1st is where I can no longer ignore or procrastinate, and have to change. This transit started 4 years ago and honestly sometimes I do not recognize myself in the mirror.

Taurus Mars here says hoarding? Never heard of that.

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Interesting you find it harder. I think i can already feel the beginning effects of it crossing over the Asc and wrapping up issues it brought up while in the 12th. It's been a heavy few years and i'm looking forward to a new way of living/being/appearing that has already begun.

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but I've found the 1st is where I can no longer ignore or procrastinate, and have to change.

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I'm looking forward to this. Been in a bit of a dead zone for too long now, but with a lot of changes going on inside. Actually probably better to say a regenerative zone. I know what you mean about your appearance changing. I'm no longer who I was even 5 years ago on the inside or outside. I feel like i'm settling more into a new me though and don't think the major changes are completely over yet. So while the changes have definitely not been easy, i'm glad the inner landscape has changed so much and expect my outer life to start to follow suit in the next couple of years.

tho.....

lol guess i'll have to wait and see.

posted June 09, 2015 09:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
*SQUEALS!!!*

Bella and T

Thanks so much for your comments, I'll be back later to respond! Maybe if we work it right we can even get the thread locked for old times' sake.

*flips mermaid tail and ducks under again*

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LOL!!

posted June 09, 2015 10:35 PM            

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Originally posted by T:
Been in a bit of a dead zone for too long now, but with a lot of changes going on inside. Actually probably better to say a regenerative zone. I know what you mean about your appearance changing. I'm no longer who I was even 5 years ago on the inside or outside. I feel like i'm settling more into a new me though and don't think the major changes are completely over yet. So while the changes have definitely not been easy, i'm glad the inner landscape has changed so much and expect my outer life to start to follow suit in the next couple of years.

tho.....

lol guess i'll have to wait and see.

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I love this ~ it's exactly how I feel, too. Burst out laughing at the card!

Lately, I'm craving quiet even more than usual, which is hard to tell when I am keeping up with this thread. It's always been like, I say things on impulse that don't ring true and strong after I mull it over, so I will edit or regret or amend. Lately, I'm getting to the point where I edit more before I talk. And sometimes I edit, edit, edit until there are no words to possibly say. I just can't express what's going on in my head, or I'd rather be confused than flub my way through a conversation. So I do wonder what that's about, where it's going....it seems like it could turn out a genuine handicap, but I like to think of it more optimistically, as just an interesting natural process I'm undergoing. Try to look at it as a contemplative place where good thing might be taking root ~ a little like this:

Seems to redeem the introspective times, or at least push back against guilt if I am "merely dreaming." I think if we are transforming, we need dreaming.

As for cutting things out of my life, T, that's another loud YES from me. I've said that I would like a complete material overhaul of my life. I've also gotten rid of many books that were almost like accessories or artifacts in the "museum of me" that is scattered throughout my house. I am not these things. Gotta keep purging.

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Originally posted by T:
It reminded me of what you have a knack for doing - uplifting people with your heartfelt words. Even when you don't realize you might be doing so or if some people think you're being a smart@ss, i think the genuine good intent gets through to just about everyone. I pick up on your good energy and heart.

k. enough gushing. LOL

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Thanks so much ~ not that it's a contest ~ but I think this is your forte. I know what I know, if you know what I mean.

Sometimes I worry for you, because I think there aren't that many people as colorful and soulful as you are...so you give and give...and I wonder who is there to reciprocate? I hope you have people around you who can match your level of beauty. It seems...that might be hard to come by.

As for myself, I am beyond gushing, I'm just wondering where to send my money to buy an authentic T statue (in mermaid form, of course) along with some votive candles and the silk version of your favorite flowers? Like an altar starter kit? I might buy a few extras for the people who believed the gossip before they met you, and now see your coolness and need some way of repenting/cleansing themselves.

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Originally posted by T:
(does she not strongly resemble you? i think so. it occurred to me when i just found it again. i remember seeing a pic here a long time ago and you had very long wheaten colored hair..)

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She resembles me with the long hair and that look in her eyes like, I'm so gone. In the picture you saw I had blonde highlights that were played up by the sunny window, but my hair is brown. Anyway....

Love that picture, you find all the best pictures. Gotta get me a sequined fin like that...

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Originally posted by T:
Mermaid powerrr!!!!

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Hehehhehe. I seriously love you.

posted June 09, 2015 11:01 PM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
There is never enough gushing for Faith! lol.

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Nor you

THANK YOU for always having my back. Thank you so much.

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Personal experience, I've found the 1st house to be harder, but I also have a stellium there so there is no hiding from Pluto. For some reason I didn't find the 12th house transit to be bad. It definitely brought some issues to the surface, but I've found the 1st is where I can no longer ignore or procrastinate, and have to change. This transit started 4 years ago and honestly sometimes I do not recognize myself in the mirror.

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So interesting.

posted June 09, 2015 11:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
You know what I've seen mostly on this thread? Love or hate. For PLUTO.

There's no lukewarm.

It's funny, as that's how people usually react to me IRL.

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I can see how that would be the case, with Pluto on your ASC. And also, is there a lot of transformation, where people's opinions of you change pretty drastically over time? Just a guess...

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
It may not be forever, but then, what is?

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
I think you hit the nail on the head, with the struggle to articulate, I can see how Virgo would be helpful for this, and of course, very happy to help!

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I see that and love it, about Virgo moons.

I meant to say, Virgo moon intuition is underrated...and perhaps Pisces moon impracticality is too much a caricature? I think each end of this axis contains part of the other, like the yin-yang symbol.

And I forgot to clarify that my Virgo moon friend that I mentioned before is a professional counselor, and that's what I was thinking of, when I mentioned the technicalities. I don't expect all Virgo moons to express themselves the same way...though you all do seem to have exceptionally clear writing, and very accurate precision, differentiating all kinds of things.

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
I didn't really mean any Moon was "better" than another,

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I just wanted to say that for the record...Also keeping my Leo ASC on a leash, making sure nothing went to my head.

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
...but I do think Pisces Moon can access subtleties, impressions, and abstractions that other Moons may not even notice.
I guess other Neptune influences elsewhere in charts could also assist with this though.

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Yes and yes. Well I think Pisces moons reflexively imagine ourselves being other people, and it keeps our senses alert for signs of how to duplicate their sensations inside of ourselves, and it also keeps the memory engaged over a long time...like we have a visceral memory. So this is how we get into that mischief of not being able to energetically disengage.

I think other people do the same thing, but maybe Pisces moons do it more often, more completely. I dunno, I'm overtalking this...

Best wishes again

posted June 09, 2015 11:31 PM            

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Originally posted by bluestskies88:
hehe, we can certainly have play dates, that's for sure!!

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Sounds great!

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Originally posted by bluestskies88:
Another thing that I have realised about aspects is that yes, we can feel the pain, and process through the pain that's triggered by these aspects, however, after processing, placing awareness and then understanding it, we transmute these in order to grow from the lessons these planets/aspects are trying to teach us.

We can either sit and prey victim or face the monster and do the self work (great work).

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I see what you mean, sorta like, it all comes down to choice, and our choices have to be very, very good and real to make it go well, when Pluto is getting in our faces.

posted June 09, 2015 11:33 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
I take it back. I hate pluto

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Bad day? Mercury Rx?

When it's good it's very good,
And when it's bad it just plain kills you~

posted June 09, 2015 11:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Belba:
Yep, Pluto is a bit of a trouble maker for me, although (or because of that) I'm not heavily plutonian. My Sun/Moon midpoint conjuncts Pluto which squares ASC/DSC axis. It also squares my Jupiter, which rules my MC, so in a way both axes are affected. Other aspects are sextiles and trines.

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I love when people know their charts.

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Originally posted by Belba:
But those two squares, gosh... Pluto lies in my 9th house so it's all connected to my principles, world view, philosophy, my vision of how should I lead my life etc. and these things are extremely important to me, my feelings (Sag Moon), my sense of identity, and they are a bit unconventional and a bit out there.

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I"m a bit similar, with a 9H Jupiter opposing Pluto. Actually I am verrry out there, but my life looks so normal on the surface, it's a problem. I feel like I should at least start dressing funky and wearing patchouli, to warn people.

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Originally posted by Belba:
But the thing is, because of my air and Virgo placements people think I'm very pleasant, social, lovely, charismatic etc. and are astonished when I show them my plutonic side, I can get very unpleasant, firm and loud if need be.

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Mmmm I did catch both, about you...though I think others' Pluto energy is more interesting than unpleasant, (so long as it's not directed straight at me, or beaming me with secret, scary vibes coming from god-knows-where.)

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Originally posted by Belba:
I used to always be the one cheering people, lifting them up, eating their depressed moods away, I felt like it was my duty. I just don't do it anymore.

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LOL...eating their depressed moods away...

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Originally posted by Belba:
Oh, and the personality change I have experienced in my university years (Pluto in 9H) is perplexing people. I don't fit their idea of me anymore, and I can hear them gossiping... I don't really care
I can handle my Pluto.

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posted June 10, 2015 06:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I love when people know their charts.

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Oh, thanks a lot! It is wonderful when all pieces start getting together... Besides, I love being introspective. Now I intend to start exploring my sidereal chart, it's so exciting, as if I was learning astrology all over again from the beginning.

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Originally posted by Faith:
I"m a bit similar, with a 9H Jupiter opposing Pluto. Actually I am verrry out there, but my life looks so normal on the surface, it's a problem. I feel like I should at least start dressing funky and wearing patchouli, to warn people.

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Patchouli
I totally get what you mean, I also sometimes get some ideas about dressing like a punk or something. but then again, I wouldn't like the attention on my appearance. When I come to think of it, I simply adore surprising people from time to time, I'm a bit cheeky like that. Besides, people tend to categorize and stereotype us, even without the unusual appearance. And I'd like to work in public sector I'll let my future employers think I'm pretty normal, then reveal my true colors when I've made myself indispensable.

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Originally posted by Faith:
Mmmm I did catch both, about you...though I think others' Pluto energy is more interesting than unpleasant, (so long as it's not directed straight at me, or beaming me with secret, scary vibes coming from god-knows-where.)

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Interesting I often wonder what's the vibe I give off here...
Yeah, I wasn't careful with the word unpleasant. Besides, Pluto isn't loud, it's more subtle. The more annoyingly demanding side of me probably comes from somewhere else in my chart. I do also love plutonic people, fascinating, but you do have to be careful with those beams yes

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Originally posted by Faith:
Sounds like you are centered and aware of what you are doing and why. Who can argue with that?

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Hey, thanks, I try to be.. I just hope I'm heading in the right direction.

posted June 10, 2015 09:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Bad day? Mercury Rx?

When it's good it's very good,
And when it's bad it just plain kills you~

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I'm in a complicated situation with a guy who is very obsessive.
I really want to get out but in very stuck at this moment. I suspect we have moon/pluto conjunct in synastry.

posted June 10, 2015 09:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I see what you mean, sorta like, it all comes down to choice, and our choices have to be very, very good and real to make it go well, when Pluto is getting in our faces.

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Hey Faith,

yeah, like i also went through a huge pluto in my face experience where it turned my world upside down. there were times where i felt i was drowning in pluto's unconscious depth, deeper and deeper -- couldn't breathe. gave myself the time to feel these pain, felt sorry for myself, disconnected from everything. then one day, i had to get reallly real, like face REALITY. snapped myself back to the here and now. it is all a huge process really.

posted June 11, 2015 02:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
What's there at the depth of yourself, if you don't mind me asking? Can you describe it?

ETA: Not trying to pry, but...

Different spiritual teachers have talked about it being either aloneness or unity there at the bottom...I'm wondering which side wins...kinda taking a poll.

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Peace. Knowing I have explored my deepest darkest thoughts, emotions, etc while also recognizing the good parts and still being able to exercise the good parts, brings me a sense of peace.

Honesty is also there. I'm honest with myself about anything and everything. What I found to be true in my personal experiences is a lot of people try to mask over their dark sides. Their deepest desires, thoughts, are burried and hidden.

posted June 11, 2015 05:27 AM            

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Originally posted by T:
Meant to thumbsup this.

More to say about a previous post of yours, but I will do so privately eventually instead.

I get the painful family stuff. Has Pluto made it's final pass over the square to your natal Pluto? I don't think we are ever the same after some of these intense disruptions. And I agree, we don't always get stronger from them...

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T!!! Hi!!

What's weird is that I relaxed just over a week ago, and I've been a bit happier. I've had good news about several things in recent weeks, my parents are mostly okay, my dog is in very good health for his age... I think my brain is finally catching up to the good news. It's like I stopped holding my breath, waiting for the next bad thing. I'm still wary, but calmer than I was.

posted June 12, 2015 08:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Belba:
I wouldn't like the attention on my appearance. When I come to think of it, I simply adore surprising people from time to time, I'm a bit cheeky like that. Besides, people tend to categorize and stereotype us, even without the unusual appearance. And I'd like to work in public sector I'll let my future employers think I'm pretty normal, then reveal my true colors when I've made myself indispensable.

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I love this.

You're really perceptive and far-sighted, that's great. I also love surprising people and playing around with stereotypes. Almost like my normal clothes are a costume. But I have a family and feel that I have to stay within bounds, so I don't jeopardize the family's reputation in the community. Typical Cap adulthood

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Originally posted by Belba:
Interesting I often wonder what's the vibe I give off here...

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Just from the little bit I've seen, I think you have a knack for understanding people, deducing things and seeing what comes next. You're very bright...also strong, and mysterious (after all, you don't post much!)

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Originally posted by Belba:
I do also love plutonic people, fascinating, but you do have to be careful with those beams yes

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Originally posted by Belba:
Oh, and Faith, compliments on the thread!

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Thanks ~ I'm sheepish about the length!

posted June 12, 2015 08:52 AM            

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Originally posted by bluestskies88:
Hey Faith,

yeah, like i also went through a huge pluto in my face experience where it turned my world upside down. there were times where i felt i was drowning in pluto's unconscious depth, deeper and deeper -- couldn't breathe. gave myself the time to feel these pain, felt sorry for myself, disconnected from everything. then one day, i had to get reallly real, like face REALITY. snapped myself back to the here and now. it is all a huge process really.

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posted June 12, 2015 08:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Just quickly saying Hello to Faith and all the other lovely souls in this thread... ~

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posted June 12, 2015 09:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:
Peace. Knowing I have explored my deepest darkest thoughts, emotions, etc while also recognizing the good parts and still being able to exercise the good parts, brings me a sense of peace.

Honesty is also there. I'm honest with myself about anything and everything. What I found to be true in my personal experiences is a lot of people try to mask over their dark sides. Their deepest desires, thoughts, are burried and hidden.

& if by unity, you mean unity within one's self then definitely. Even the parts of myself that don't make perfect sense yet. I accept those parts.

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What a breath of fresh air...so happy that you accept "even the parts.. that don't make perfect sense yet." That's what I need to do, too...I think it's the unexamined, shadowy parts that can bring my self-esteem down the most. There are problems I can't see clearly enough to fix.

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Originally posted by teasel:
I'm constantly moving between wanting to hide away, and wanting to be out in the world.

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