posted June 07, 2015 11:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Well, I'm of the impression that we can create a self.

Although there's some thinking that there is also a "pure" self.

It seems that we can strip back experience and discover a self, or we can integrate experience and create a self.
Or we can accept our influences from life as a self.

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Interesting. I see it that way, too...like a range of possibilities.

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Solstice point of the Moon, is not something I have heard of before. I'd be interested to read what you find.
Maybe that may give you some clues to working with Pluto?

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There isn't much information on it, and I'm hesitant to strike out on my own. But I suppose my 3H Libra Pluto is modulated by my 8H Pisces moon. I see it when I'm not as "fair" as a Libra and exhibit more Scorpio (8H) qualities when I communicate, and I see it when my arguments feel both fierce and accepting at once.
ETA: Or when I can't say something *real* because I'm aware of how it will hurt someone's feelings. Scorpio being conquered, diffused...confused...by Pisces.

Also the secretive nature of the 8H moon and 3H Pluto reinforce each other.

I am really candid, so I think people have no idea how much I am also holding back, so when I reveal certain things....I think some people might feel betrayed. As if I do the composure thing so well, it's almost to the point of fraud. The more intuitive a person is, the more they seem offended when I open the vault a bit. :/

posted June 07, 2015 11:29 AM            

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Originally posted by bluestskies88:
Here comes Pluto aspects in my natal chart --

Sun Trine Pluto
Moon conjunct Pluto
Venus square Pluto
Mars trine Pluto
Neptune sextile Pluto

The negative aspects are evenly well balanced with the positive ones. Phew! Thank you Universe.. you totally got my back on this one!

It's safe to say, Pluto and myself have a pretty good understanding with each other in order for my best friend Pluto to help me transform and grow! haha

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LOL, I like your ruggedness.

And to follow suit, I'll be thankful.

Pluto is trine my Gemini Mars and 6H Mercury, so I'm verbally "stacked" and I guess that has been fun to play around with. Pluto sextile ASC, so I can win staring contests sometimes.

Pluto left my Venus alone. Thank you Pluto.

bluestskies will you tell me your placements? I must've missed them, if you posted them before.

posted June 07, 2015 01:44 PM            

I wished Ihad more time talking to you
But just this week there is so much to do. Nevertheless I am going to write you a short mail, cause I think I finally managed to **** off Mr Sag for real.

posted June 07, 2015 05:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
LOL, I like your ruggedness.

And to follow suit, I'll be thankful.

Pluto is trine my Gemini Mars and 6H Mercury, so I'm verbally "stacked" and I guess that has been fun to play around with. Pluto sextile ASC, so I can win staring contests sometimes.

Pluto left my Venus alone. Thank you Pluto.

bluestskies will you tell me your placements? I must've missed them, if you posted them before.

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hahaha, staring contest with pluto ... Ah, pluto you blinked!

just gotta have F A I T H !!

Here's blue's blueprint

posted June 07, 2015 06:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Interesting. I see it that way, too...like a range of possibilities.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Solstice point of the Moon, is not something I have heard of before. I'd be interested to read what you find.
Maybe that may give you some clues to working with Pluto?

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This is the exact kinda thing that is difficult for me to say, not sure if I should even say it. I mean it's in a dark zone.[/QUOTE]

It does seem complicated. Way over my head at this stage.

Interesting - my partner has Pisces MOON in the 8th. Deep as the ocean, on the rare occasion you get a glimpse.
I often feel he is endless, and afraid of his own depths. This manifests as a reserve, but the sensitivity is there, as it serves to protect the fragile MOON by being all to all. Underneath all that, is he, and sometimes, me.

I think this is a very delicate MOON sign/placement. No one would blame you for being wary.

I think one of the dangers though is not ever being truly known, and the loneliness that can arise from that.

posted June 08, 2015 12:31 AM            

I was laughing because I blinked before knowing it was a staring contest. So I lost, but you said Pluto did. Disorienting. Then to see the word Blue and the dog Pluto...you can imagine my shock. So....

^^ There you are.

And thanks for your chart! We have really interesting synastry:

Your sun conjunct my progressed sun
Your Venus conjunct my sun
Your Uranus-IC conjunct my NN
Your Jupiter conjunct my Saturn
Your SN conjunct my moon.

posted June 08, 2015 12:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Interesting - my partner has Pisces MOON in the 8th. Deep as the ocean, on the rare occasion you get a glimpse.
I often feel he is endless, and afraid of his own depths. This manifests as a reserve, but the sensitivity is there, as it serves to protect the fragile MOON by being all to all. Underneath all that, is he, and sometimes, me.

I think this is a very delicate MOON sign/placement. No one would blame you for being wary.

I think one of the dangers though is not ever being truly known, and the loneliness that can arise from that.

Sorry, I know that's not really what we were talking about. I'm not meaning to lecture or anything, it's just that this moon is very close to my heart. And opposed my own MOON (virgo), so I am fascinated by it.

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I love how you describe him, and it makes me so happy that this moon is close to your heart. Your guy is lucky to be seen and appreciated so well.

I love Virgo moons ~ and suns ~ they are usually probing and asking the right questions that make me feel less alone. I may not have the answers, and that frustrates both of us, but I really appreciate the penetrating insight and interest.

posted June 08, 2015 06:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I love how you describe him, and it makes me so happy that this moon is close to your heart. Your guy is lucky to be seen and appreciated so well.

I love Virgo moons ~ and suns ~ they are usually probing and asking the right questions that make me feel less alone. I may not have the answers, and that frustrates both of us, but I really appreciate the penetrating insight and interest.

Endlessness. Yeah I really don't know, I don't understand myself, but that makes me feel understood. Thanks.

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Yes, he often struggles and gets frustrated when trying to answer questions about his intentions/feelings/motivations, but it's like a light going on in his eyes when he finds something out about himself. It's really beautiful to watch. But, I do need to be mindful that he is not as accustomed to this probing as I am. And my PLUTO can take it too far sometimes.

I'm glad this helped! It really is a beautiful Moon. The interest (even when it feels like interrogation) is because of the intuition that there is such a wealth of wisdom in there that other moons (including my own) probably can't even begin to fathom without the connection to the Pisces Moon.

I think my Virgo Moon knows how much I can learn about the abstract, and the unseen from the Pisces Moon. Like an accidental mentor. The irony is that the Pisces Moon will see this the other way around.

posted June 08, 2015 10:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Blue,

I was laughing because I blinked before knowing it was a staring contest. So I lost, but you said Pluto did. Disorienting. Then to see the word Blue and the dog Pluto...you can imagine my shock. So....

^^ There you are.

And thanks for your chart! We have really interesting synastry:

Your sun conjunct my progressed sun
Your Venus conjunct my sun
Your Uranus-IC conjunct my NN
Your Jupiter conjunct my Saturn
Your SN conjunct my moon.

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Aww, there I am, blue as a doggie! woof, woof!

Thank you Faith, for the doggie in the Windows or lets say MAC (haha) and being playful with muah!

posted June 08, 2015 02:19 PM            

Reading the exchange - or what you wrote, gave me warm fuzzies and made my heart smile. We naturally 'get' each other and that's a lovely thing in life, to know that some people do. I think you're an amazing person. Thanks for loving me. I love you too.

Also, thanks for the James Taylor song in the other thread. That's one of my favorites!

I got your email from months ago and started to reply but never finished. I've kind of shut down in certain areas of my life and have been feeling very quiet inside....words haven't been coming easy for awhile now. Haven't been keeping in touch with anyone and I feel bad about it, but I am not going to push myself to communicate when I'm feeling this way. I know you'll understand and i don't need to explain, but wanted to tell you that.

Anyway, thanks for your love and support. It brightened my day to read what you wrote.

speaking of Pluto, i'm going through the generational Pluto square Pluto transit and feel the inner transformations going on very deeply lately.

Here's some info on it:

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This is a period of general regeneration, which may not be entirely pleasant. Most of us are attached to the past whether or not it is good for us. And this influence will root out precisely those elements of the past that are not good for you, even those aspects that you have forgotten about. Problems that you may have lost track of entirely but which are still working unconsciously in your life may reappear and become active now, usually but not always to your detriment.
This influence is associated with forces for change that are inherent within the hidden depths of things. Therefore you should not blame the unpleasant changes that occur now on circumstances or persons in your environment. Look within yourself to see how the groundwork for the present is laid in the past.
Many things may be destroyed at this time, and the destruction will be ruthless if you defend them with rigidity. The action of this influence upon unyielding entities is particularly harsh. Therefore you should simply allow the things of the past to fade and allow the future to be born on their ruins. If you can do this, the potential for positive change is very great.
This influence may also increase your concern about the creative and regenerative processes within the universe and cause you to become interested in the occult. However, certain aspects of the occult, such as magic, are best avoided during this time, because the energies involved will be difficult to control now. Although your conscious mind may be in control at first, you are likely to find that entirely unconscious forces within you have taken over and are running you completely. This can have disastrous consequences.
You may also get into severe power struggles with people who are trying to prevent the changes in your life or who are trying to expedite changes that you are resisting. Look very carefully to ascertain which category they are in.

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I think you are going through this one too...(?)

lotsa love my friend

posted June 08, 2015 02:26 PM            

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Pluto square Pluto by Transit

There are some posts you almost don’t write because you’re not ready yet to write such things. But you’re in the process of getting there, so you take your The Book of Pluto by Steven Forrest and Predictive Astrology Bernadette Brady and create a DIY post you hope will be helpful to those reading it.

This post is the promised sequel to my February post: Pluto in Libra Generation: Living Happily Ever After. In this post, I’m going to focus specifically on the Pluto square this generation is experiencing since Pluto’s ingress into Capricorn in January, 2008. The mills of God and Pluto grind slow but grind exceedingly small. Pluto stays in Capricorn till March, 2023. And during this period of 15 years, it will have squared itself in the charts of everyone who was born with Pluto in Libra.

Steven Forrest says that a well-lived Pluto in your chart gives you the great gift of feeling your life to be meaningful. But if you do not work with your Pluto, do not honor its call, do not pay its price; the bleakness of life will get you. You will be enfolded by that worst feeling of all: the feeling of your life being without meaning. It’s a great insight and I have found it to be true. He’s a great teacher and you really must get that book I mentioned earlier if you are working with Pluto or trying to understand it in charts.

Steve talks about Pluto’s square to itself by transit as a time when your beliefs are questioned. When things you have always taken for granted come up for examination vis-à-vis their meaningfulness in life. This examination may cause you to change your beliefs. And that is a deep thing because our beliefs are what determine our choices and actions and it is these choices and actions that form our life. So basically, when you’re faced with this square, you’re in the process of transforming your life.

The transformation is going to come whether you like it or not. And since it is a square, you probably aren’t going to like it very much. I see the Pluto square activating when you find yourself face down in the carpet weeping, “Why me?” When you hold on to what is not been working for you, not wanting thing to change and appealing to God saying, “Please help me. Please fix this.”

Pluto goes retrograde many times in its passage through a sign, and hence the square is going to repeat: probably three times for all degrees. The second time it is activated, you’ll know that no one is coming to fix anything for you. You grew up; you have to fix it yourself. If you want, this can be very liberating. Not easy. Probably scary. It is scary to have to change your life, to give up the known that has sustained you so far. But if you accept this energy, you’ll see that by working with it, you can transform your life to one that is going to be more meaningful and eventually bring you real, bone-deep happiness. It’s a re-birth or if you want a more Plutonian image: it is like the Phoenix that rises from its own ashes. Of course, the second pass is like the Phoenix burning down and becoming a pile of ashes.

As you start to change and restructure things (a.k.a. turning into a pile of ashes), if you do it with the knowledge that your life as it was, was because of you, your choices and that things are sometimes no one’s fault, you’ll be able to pass this stage without bitterness. Because when change is needed, we sometimes tend to look around us to find someone to blame. If you look, sure you can find someone to blame and take a tailspin into bitterness. That, in my opinion, is a waste of time. Our outer realities are a creation of our inner selves, and with time, our inner self changes and our outer reality begins to transform. This is our evolution and Pluto, in his cold and distant orbit, marks some of these drastic changes by forming a square in our charts to his natal position.

He will complete this process by forming a third exact square in your chart and by that time, you’ll be well on your way to a new life. A lot of things will be different. Events will have occurred in your life and because of them another part of your life will start to blossom. I’ll talk about this in my third post: it will cover the areas of life where events will occur and the area of life where you will find new growth.

But whether you are in the throes of the square or still waiting for it to begin, I hope you face it with courage and hope and integrity as one of the best things that could have happened to you: a trigger that forces you to change your life into something more meaningful for you.

http://astrologyexpressed.wordpress.com/2012/03/16/pluto-square-pluto-by-transit/

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posted June 08, 2015 03:25 PM            

Except for the opposition with mars, I don't know if I really feel the manifestation of other aspects in my personalities.I probably spend too much time looking at my saturn and neptune aspects.

It being in the 10th house and near scorp MC makes it hard for me to stay invisible. You know, with my natal chart I like to fly under radar, It's so much easier to pull the strings and do what I want that way. But I always get noticed. That brings a little discomfort, yes.

Transit cap pluto has been making aspects to my stellium for a while. A little too much on my plate, at such early life stages. But I think I'm doing fine. I remember when it first came into the sign of capricorn and making a conjunction to my cap sun. Gah it was rough back then, what with the economic crisis and all.

posted June 08, 2015 09:42 PM            

Thanks so much for dropping by! Always nice to have your gracious, elegant, wise company in our midst.

That's so fine about email, I completely understand. I have been struggling with communication myself. I took a few months off the forum and I'm getting cagey again. You and I can just do it the old fashioned way, using telepathy instead of electronics. All you have to know is, I am always sending you hearts and good wishes in my mind.

Thanks for those Pluto articles, they're very good and a little scary. I should go back and look at what happened when Pluto was hitting my 11 Libra Pluto.

Neptune has been moving into a square with my Neptune, and I'm not sure if I've ever been this flakey. Isn't that so considerate and Piscean of Neptune, to supply me with anaesthesia when Pluto is bullying me?

Wishing you all the best until we talk again.

Oh and I'm taking this advice seriously and thinking of you...

posted June 08, 2015 09:54 PM            

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Sorry, Faith, I love Pluto, too!

Pluto square Sun, conjunct Moon and Midheaven
Mercury, Venus, Mars in the 8th

I'm not uncomfortable with Pluto. I think, if anything, strong Pluto influence in a birth chart gives a person a high TOLERANCE of discomfort. Things that freak other people out or make them uneasy don't really bother me.

It always kind of surprises me, actually, when people describe a certain topic or situation as "scary" or "depressing." Some people just want everything to be light and bright, every moment of the day, and start squirming and shrinking when things get hard-hitting and nitty-gritty. But, Pluto allows me to handle that. To certain people, if it's not something you can laugh about or have fun with, they have no idea what to do or say. I'm not like that and I know how resourceful that makes me.

I wouldn't give up Pluto for anything and the thing is that I'd never be able to, even if I wanted to! The more you see Pluto as your friend, the more he'll enrich you and benefit you. The more you see him as your enemy who makes your living so tormented and difficult, the more that'll be true.

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So sorry, the89freespirit, I thought I commented on this and I didn't!

Great points, and I can relate to most of that. Well, when I was younger, I felt like I had been through hell and couldn't relate to people "crying over spilled milk." As I've gotten older, people my age have had more chances to experience loss and heartache, so our perspectives seem to be equalizing, which is nice.

posted June 08, 2015 09:57 PM            

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Originally posted by bluestskies88:
Aww, there I am, blue as a doggie! woof, woof!

Thank you Faith, for the doggie in the Windows or lets say MAC (haha) and being playful with muah!

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posted June 08, 2015 10:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Yes, he often struggles and gets frustrated when trying to answer questions about his intentions/feelings/motivations, but it's like a light going on in his eyes when he finds something out about himself. It's really beautiful to watch.

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I can just tell you two genuinely love each other, and it literally warms my heart. So happy

Yes, the thing is...I think Pisces moons notice a lot more than we can articulate. We get so full of impressions that have no outlet, I think we start to feel at least partly invisible.

So, when a very observant person communicates, in one way or another, "Oh hey, I see you there," it can be a powerful moment of self-realization...like, "What? I'm noticeable? I'm real?" It's like finding ourselves, as others find us.

Well, you know, it's like needing a mirror.

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
The interest (even when it feels like interrogation) is because of the intuition that there is such a wealth of wisdom in there that other moons (including my own) probably can't even begin to fathom without the connection to the Pisces Moon.

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Thanks so much. I don't think any moon is better than any other but it feels good to be appreciated.

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
I think my Virgo Moon knows how much I can learn about the abstract, and the unseen from the Pisces Moon. Like an accidental mentor. The irony is that the Pisces Moon will see this the other way around.

I guess we are both students and mentors of each other.

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Definitely yes, mentors of each other.

My one Virgo moon friend seems to be comforted by the fact that I am so imaginative and yet still, I can pull off a good impersonation of sanity. It shows her that she can do the same.

Meanwhile, I am so comforted that she has technical names and solutions for so many of my issues. That she is the epitome of levelheaded, and yet accepts me anyway.

So nice talking with you, best wishes for continuing happiness with your guy.

posted June 08, 2015 10:24 PM            

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But I always get noticed. That brings a little discomfort, yes.

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HI MUDDY!!!!!!

Don't be uncomfortable....I won't do that again. Or...I'll try not to.

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
Transit cap pluto has been making aspects to my stellium for a while. A little too much on my plate, at such early life stages. But I think I'm doing fine. I remember when it first came into the sign of capricorn and making a conjunction to my cap sun. Gah it was rough back then, what with the economic crisis and all.

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"Too much on my plate."

posted June 08, 2015 11:59 PM            

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You and I can just do it the old fashioned way, using telepathy instead of electronics.

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HA Yes.

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All you have to know I am always sending you hearts and good wishes in my mind.

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Same here. And hoping they return to you at least ten-fold.

Right after i replied to you earlier, i read this quote:

It reminded me of what you have a knack for doing - uplifting people with your heartfelt words. Even when you don't realize you might be doing so or if some people think you're being a smart@ss, i think the genuine good intent gets through to just about everyone. I pick up on your good energy and heart.

k. enough gushing. LOL

posted June 09, 2015 12:01 AM            

your last post reminded me of this favorite image:

(does she not strongly resemble you? i think so. it occurred to me when i just found it again. i remember seeing a pic here a long time ago and you had very long wheaten colored hair..)

posted June 09, 2015 12:52 AM            

I was also thinking today about how Pluto = purging.

It feels like since as long as I can remember that i've been dealing with a harsh Pluto transit in one form or another. Squaring my Virgo Moon (multiple times - rx) was one of the most difficult transits. I'm looking forward to when it finally crosses over my Asc - and stays there in the 1st house - when the retrogrades/back and forth part is over! It's about 3 degrees away now and I've had about enough of it's long transit through my 12th. I've also been sort of eagerly awaiting this major transit for over a decade now. I feel like Pluto in the 1st can't be half as bad as it transiting the 12th. Right? Hopefully...

So for the past few months I've been working on purging and getting rid of most of my belongings. I have this intense need to be rid of all of my possessions and have for some time. Mainly because I will be making a serious life change by hopefully mid 2016 and can't be carrying a lot of material baggage around. I just want everything except the essentials gone. Wondering if anyone else who's gone through major Pluto transits has felt or done the same.

I'm only finding it hard to let go of my books. I'm not much of a reader anymore, but at one point in my life my books were very important to me and i guess will always be special in some way and I can't seem to just toss them out. I can donate or sell off a lot of things, but it's hard to do with my books. I thought about paying for a small storage unit and keeping them along with some other things in there, but I don't think i should. I will probably never open most of them again, so it might be time to part with them.

When it comes down to moving on, I thought about offering my astrology book collection here on the forum and just give them to someone who might really appreciate them. I'd rather see them all go to someone who would make good use of and appreciate them instead of donating them to a place where they will sit on a shelf forever or god knows what. lol

Anyway, Pluto for me lately equals big time purging. I'd like to throw everything away sometimes, but am instead trying to get rid of things slowly or more sensibly and giving it to any charity that might find it all useful.

Pluto = purging = discomfort. Indeed.

posted June 09, 2015 02:04 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I learned some lessons a long time ago. I was punished by others, when I wasn't the problem. Also, there are people who don't get stronger, and just keep getting hit. The worst is when people know it, and add to it.

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Meant to thumbsup this.

More to say about a previous post of yours, but I will do so privately eventually instead.

I get the painful family stuff. Has Pluto made it's final pass over the square to your natal Pluto? I don't think we are ever the same after some of these intense disruptions. And I agree, we don't always get stronger from them...

posted June 09, 2015 03:50 AM            

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Originally posted by T:
It reminded me of what you have a knack for doing - uplifting people with your heartfelt words. Even when you don't realize you might be doing so or if some people think you're being a smart@ss, i think the genuine good intent gets through to just about everyone. I pick up on your good energy and heart.

k. enough gushing. LOL

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There is never enough gushing for Faith! lol. Glad to see you and your positive energy around again!

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I was also thinking today about how PlutoIt feels like since as long as I can remember that i've been dealing with a harsh Pluto transit in one form or another. Squaring my Virgo Moon (multiple times - rx) was one of the most difficult transits. I'm looking forward to when it finally crosses over my Asc - and stays there in the 1st house - when the retrogrades/back and forth part is over! It's about 3 degrees away now and I've had about enough of it's long transit through my 12th. I've also been sort of eagerly awaiting this major transit for over a decade now. I feel like Pluto in the 1st can't be half as bad as it transiting the 12th. Right? Hopefully...

Anyway, Pluto for me lately equals big time purging. I'd like to throw everything away sometimes, but am instead trying to get rid of things slowly or more sensibly and giving it to any charity that might find it all useful.

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Personal experience, I've found the 1st house to be harder, but I also have a stellium there so there is no hiding from Pluto. For some reason I didn't find the 12th house transit to be bad. It definitely brought some issues to the surface, but I've found the 1st is where I can no longer ignore or procrastinate, and have to change. This transit started 4 years ago and honestly sometimes I do not recognize myself in the mirror.

posted June 09, 2015 07:27 AM            

Bella and T

Thanks so much for your comments, I'll be back later to respond! Maybe if we work it right we can even get the thread locked for old times' sake.

*flips mermaid tail and ducks under again*