posted June 04, 2015 08:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Watercolordaydream:
I have a few hard aspects with Pluto

Sun SQ Pluto
Venus SQ Pluto
Mars SQ Pluto
Mars in 8H

At first I disliked all of these aspects. They can make me very obsessive, jealous, and a bit controlling. But in the last 4 years, I've learned to love all of them. After learning and understanding these aspects, I am better under controlled.

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Hi watercolordaydream,

Sun-Venus-Mars square Pluto. That's a lineup! I wouldn't have guessed those placements from your whimsical screen name. Do you have an outlet for the Pluto tension, in art?

Sometimes I can imagine a better future if I work with Pluto the right way. But it's hard to follow these impulses, they can get rather primal and forceful and it's not something I want to give full license to, rationalizing that "Pluto told me to."

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Originally posted by Watercolordaydream:
Does having these aspects attract the loonies and stalkers btw?

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Do you have loonies and stalkers?

posted June 04, 2015 08:29 AM            

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Originally posted by meissieri:
I let everyone talk, beat and bully me into hating my intensity as much as everyone else did. I spent like 15 years always trying to be what other people wanted me to be, would get brutal on myself for every type of reaction I got that was too "emotional" (a.k.a. what I thought was childish, being a drama queen, etc.). It was even worse - a real bitter taste in my mouth - when my family indeed became much nicer to me when I was nice, polite and completely level in every single way. In college, I had everyone wanting to be friends with me and quite a few guys interested in me, but did they really like me for who I was? I'm not sure, 'cause I was just so... cool-headed. Everything was cool. Nothing hurt or angered me. And while I was a complete shell, taking anti-depressants and anxiety meds to level my emotions even more - for everyone else's convenience! - people close to me loved it, were all "Oh God, you've become so much more mature and peaceful, it's great."

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*cries*

You just said it so well. That's everything right there. That's what it is. Be real at the cost of losing everyone and hey, maybe you won't end up alone. Or maybe you will. You just have to be real.

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Originally posted by meissieri:
And eventually, I realized that was wrong. I didn't want to be loved if I had to stuff down 20 years of trauma while riddled with all kinds of meds for others to love me. After starting with therapy 2 years ago, I've come to really accept myself and while life has certainly not been easier, at least I can say I feel more at peace with myself.

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So glad you've turned that around.

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Originally posted by meissieri:
Even when I'm falling into depression again because a friendship or relationship is failing, even when I'm riddled with nerves for exams... it's better this way.

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I'm not quite there yet.

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Originally posted by meissieri:
So what I mean is that Pluto is one tough dude who forces you to always be true to yourself. If you don't think of why exactly you want/want to do something, he'll come down hard on you. It's not really fair, but it's just what it is - you have to look at yourself at all times, know yourself.

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Copying this down in my little philosophy journal. Once again your moon on my sun has supplied me with the exact right words. But can I just say, it's very very hard for me to know what I want lately? The thing about my sun is, it's an extremist, and in the context of my life, I don't have the means or the time or freedom to do what I actually want. So I end up ignoring my cravings before they take over completely. It's hard to describe.

A friend of mine who I hadn't seen in years described me as a Ferrari stuck in the garage. LOL It's true, I used to be really adventuresome, take big risks, go everywhere, and my life is such that I can no longer do that.

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Originally posted by meissieri:
And yes it's a huge d*mn load and tons of pressure. But I can say that it's helped me meet some people who are true quality. Like... even with you and Muddy here (and Bella and Doux), you guys were one of the first people who didn't tell me to just shut up about my problems, who didn't walk away or get ****** and tell me to stop feeling sorry for myself when I was having problems. And that just means so much to me.

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Careful I don't smother you with hearts! Well I'm glad we could help, but you know it's our pleasure. We love your company.

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Originally posted by meissieri:
Anyway, yes, Pluto is just a really heavy energy and often feels like it's just too much.
*hugs* and lots of positive vibes your way.

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Thanks so much, and likewise, of course!

Oh and here's a song for you....I already sent it to Bella...reminds me of the Cap energy combined with Neptune/Pisces:
Resilience

posted June 04, 2015 08:41 AM            

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Aww, well as a Sun square Pluto I can relate, but....I actually love Pluto!

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OMG! Another traitor.

jk jk You can hug the dark beast, I'll just watch.

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Pluto is the guy that although uncomfortable at times, makes me change for the better.

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Maybe it's Pluto squaring my 9H Jupiter. I don't quite know what better is. I mean, in a spiritual sense, I think I do, but in a practical sense, all my values have been in a whirlwind.

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
I think it is that 8th house moon influence too, there is nothing superficial about you- you dig very, very deep at least based on our conversations.

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Thanks so much for saying that, Bella. Well you are deep yourself, or we couldn't go anywhere.

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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
My Pluto aspects can definitely bring challenges at times, but I really love the intensity. My issues are more of finding a balance between work and home life, as I tend to place work ahead too much. But, at the same time I have become seriously transformed by my job experiences.

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posted June 04, 2015 08:43 AM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
Yeah, the lost innoncence. But I'm certain you can look back and say you've lived a rich life. Which is not something non plutonic ppl understand.
And I'm going nuts too but I keep the Cappy poker face

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Good poker face! You don't seem nuts at all.

posted June 04, 2015 09:08 AM            

I`ve spent long years with not being able to access my own feelings or being certain what I thought I felt was even a real feeling and not something my mind made up or I had talked myself into.
It`s kinda challenging to not being able to say what you feel and sometime even IF you feel for real.

This changed though. I can feel my feelings loud and very clearly, usually somewhere located in my body (mostly around the solar plexus, if it responds, I know it`s genuinely me. lol)

But before that, well, I attribtued that more to my Aqua-Moon and my Neptune-ASC-Mars-conjunction, but maybe Pluto played its part as well.

Interestingly enough the very first time I ever layed eyes on Mr Sag (funny enough on a 3rd june )

I was having these transits (just checking for the exact hits the months surrounding june)

may
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sa ASC = Pluto

p Moon square n Venus

Tr Pluto conjunct n Sun (second hit of these, and had been exact a week before seeing him. lol)
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tp Moon opposing n Sun-Mercury

tp Moon at 25-26 Gemini
Tr Pluto at
n Sun-Mercury at 25-26 Sagittarius

I never even looked up these before, but boy, sometimes the seemingly shortlived chance encounters are accompanied by startling astro-configurations

june
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no exact hits really
but of course the ones from may were still in play

but in the tertiary progressions

tp Moon square n Pluto
tp MOon opposite n Venus
tp Moon square n MC
(and yes, that means it was being activated)

tp Venus square tp Jupiter

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Tr Pluto conjunct n Mercury (Mercury being my DESC-ruler)

tp Venus conjunct n Antivertex
tp Moon conjunct n Saturn

tp ASC square n uranus (yeah you can bet he was unexpected!)

tp Mercury opp tp Saturn
tp Moon square tp Jupiter

tp Moon conjunct n Vertex and Sun/Moon-mp (interestingly another aspect that is going to be repeated over the course of the next 2 years)

tp Moon opposite tp Venus

tp Moon conjunct tp DESC

It is funny how much this seems to resemble some of my upcoming aspects. mmmh, just from the other side I think.

While back then my tp ASC was in Aquarius it is now on the verge of procesing into Leo.

Sorry I did not want to trail off the Pluto-path, but I just remembered that that first look/ encounter took place while i was just experiencing the exact Pluto-Sun transit. lol

posted June 04, 2015 09:19 AM            

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Originally posted by CosmiqPhuz:
What makes you feel your Pluto overshadows your Sun? Just curious.

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I guess I feel more Libran and Capricorn. Capricornian. (?) If you met anyone who knows me in real life, and asked them to describe me, you'd think they were talking about a Libra. Or maybe Pisces (moon sign.)

My 6H Capricorn sun is very high-maintenance, and if I devoted all my time to it, I would be cleaning non-stop, making green smoothies non-stop, organizing non-stop. And that's great except I get so neurotic and stressed out about any imperfections, it's counterproductive and I'll die young of stress.

So I sorta fight it, put it on the backburner, only "act Capricorn" for a few hours per day, just to keep myself balanced (Libra) instead of burned out.

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Originally posted by CosmiqPhuz:
Competitive isn't always a bad thing. It pushes you to improve.

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I've been wondering about that. I guess in certain areas it's easier to compete diplomatically and with good sportsmanship than, say, if you are getting into a heated forum debate. I need to watch my ego, and I never want to feel like it's important to be better than anyone else. When I was little, I was a punk, and that was important to me then.

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Originally posted by CosmiqPhuz:
I forgot about progressed Sun. I'm probably somewhere in Scorpio now..... which explains a lot. My natal Sun is Libra 27 degrees.

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Yeah that may explain it!

posted June 04, 2015 09:25 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Yes. I'm glad that I only have a couple of harsh pluto aspects natally. Some of the transits have been brutal. If it isn't me, then it's someone in a position to affect me, you know? So it gets me anyway.

I also have 8th house Moon, Venus and SN. When I can detach, it's a wonderful thing.

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Plus your Scorpio ASC.

Sometimes I get sucked into that vortex and can't detach, maybe for days or weeks on end, so I know how wonderful it is when I *can* detach. I know exactly what you mean.

posted June 04, 2015 09:35 AM            

Pluto relates strongly to the kundalini stored in the 'coiled serpent' of the tailbone. The ability to release this energy into our physiological functioning, at least in bits, is something natural that has been lost to most of humanity.

I think some folks have some perceptual bleed-over with Saturn in their understanding of Pluto. Pluto's urging drives are from the unconscious and do not recognize societal conventions, boundaries, rules, and temporal powers. It relates instead to our portion of god/dess power seeded within us that allows us to meet any challenge, any adversity and remain intact.

Saturn's urges relate to responsibilities we can agree to, work ethic, the demands that society, parents, authorities may try to put upon us that can be reinforced by guilt, punishment, nagging, obligation, etc. It is an interface with a temporal construct, pragmatic in nature.

posted June 04, 2015 12:16 PM            

I see what you're saying about Pluto.

Perhaps the bleed-over comes from Pluto being in the sign of Saturn? And the challenge of figuring out how to substantiate and structure those primal drives.

Pluto on my sun makes me more dissatisfied than ever with societal structures. To be blunt, my reaction to almost everything is, "That's such BS."

Government, media, the medical industry, schools, laws, scandals...am I forgetting anything?....science, religion, history, most of the books at the library, the monetary system, war...all BS.
I've become such a cynic that I can't see how to integrate myself anywhere "important" because everything kinda makes me sick. And it's frustrating because there's nothing to be done about it.

If only I believed in the Rapture and could get out of here the easy way.

posted June 04, 2015 12:29 PM            

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Originally posted by violet7887:
Hi Faith

Lol sorry , I always get a rainbowiish feeling around you, so it feels appropriate to put one next to your name in a pluto thread

More on topic, I can understand where you are coming from with associating pluto with discomfort. It is one aspect of many pluto themes for sure. Although I have more trines, I have one opposition.(Venus-Pluto) I almost feel that there were levels of graduation with the opposition. And of course it concerned more a certain area in my life, a certain time in my life. Here's the thing, with harsh aspects there's certain lessons to be learned. Once the lesson is leaned, the tension in these harsh aspects will cease to exist. You will be lifted of the tension once you figure out and accept what you want to do to improve. Turning this acceptance into action is very very important.

All this has been my personal experience anyway and I hope you find your way with it Faith....

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Violet! Long time no see.

I keep meaning to tell you that you were right, on the Psychic thread, about my face being kinda red. When I drink too much coffee and laugh, it gets red. You were right!!

Hello to your earrings

What you wrote above is really beautiful and gives me hope. So happy you've worked through the Venus-Pluto opposition. I guess some of my squares are in better shape than others and some "flare" at different times than others. Wild zoo of a chart I have.

posted June 04, 2015 12:48 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
Pluto is in Libra in my 3rd house (sq. Sun/Venus). Pluto shows how I learn about life.

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So convenient that I have 3H Libra Pluto, too.

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
I am always surrounded by wise and knowledgeable people, but I rarely take their advice.

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I'll stop giving you advice then.

Oh! What? You weren't talking about me I guess. Sorry.

Seriously I'm happy you keep such good company. It must be so helpful.

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
I am arrogant, yes, but my inability to take advice has more to do with how I learn. I can't just do because someone tells me to.

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Same. Have you ever watched that 1960's TV show The Prisoner?

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
I have to plunge to the depths before I desire the heights.
Someone once told me, that's a hard way to live
It is, but my life is the only one I know, so no, I don't want anything else.

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^^

That's another thing to copy into my journal.

And love is such a tricky thing isn't it? I know what you mean by bolding the word...but the word is still such a puzzle.

posted June 04, 2015 01:01 PM            

Birth is discomfort, and death may be too.

Why not throw in a bit of life?!

On a serious note though, discomfort inspires me to creativity and growth.

It's those little flags along the path of life that help me navigate who I am and who I am not. And what I am made of.

Like Messieri, I denied, and was denied, this power in my youth. Got burned.

Then I realised the power of being consumed, utterly, and reforming myself.

All discomfort is an opportunity to create the self, IMHO.

I wouldn't trade it in for anything.

posted June 04, 2015 01:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Is that accurate to say?

I feel like every Pluto aspect except for the trine and sextile is downright hard or impossible.

I have sun square Pluto natally, so everything I do is wrong. I have an 8H moon and everything I feel is too intense. I have a Scorpio NN so yay, I get to venture further and further into the heart of darkness if I want to fulfill my destiny. Sounds awesome.

Thank God I do not have Venus-Pluto aspects.

Anyway, I'm curious if anyone else gets grumpy about Pluto. Super demanding, never-satisfied SOB of a planet.

Maybe I should have called this the Pluto venting thread. I just want to know I'm not alone.

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posted June 04, 2015 02:40 PM            

I am living a hell. And I owe this to my Pluto transits - activating my natal Pluto squaare.

Nataly; Pluto square asc, sun, mercury, venus
trine moon, sextike mars

Transits of the last 3 years; conjuct asc, sun, mercury, saturn, chiron. And venus due to retograde not fully on stage yet.

Before I thought the conjunctions trs pluto made to my natal planets were the hardest of all. No. To my suprise Pluto opposite Saturn is the real deal. The whole structre I ve built up so far is crumbling down and all the concrete is falling to my head, smashing my heart.

Well of course having Uranus square Saturn & Venus simaltaneously does not help either.

O what else I've got; trs.Neptune opposite Moon & square Mars ( this one is building ęp ), Neptune, NN... Plus, now seperating but will be exact again trs.Saturn opposite Moon

My natal Pluto aspects plus having Saturn opposing my asc,mercury,venus in my natal chart - positive thinking is nowhere nearby..

so, yes Pluto makes sure you're dead before rebirth.

posted June 04, 2015 03:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Pluto on my sun makes me more dissatisfied than ever with societal structures. To be blunt, my reaction to almost everything is, "That's such BS."

LOL. Gallows humor.

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I have Pluto close to my sun as well. I can understand what you are dealing with. Pluto hit my Yod-Boomerang configuration last year. He did not miss one planet and I got a lesson .
tPluto is in my 8th house and I have 5 planets progressed into Scorpio at the moment.

As Pluto is/was my teacher I do not need people anymore who tell me what I have to do.

posted June 04, 2015 05:45 PM            

The "Skyscraper" song with Sam Bailey was REALLY GOOD. Words and mood was like the personal 9-11 catastrophes Pluto brought into my own life.

I had to learn to count and lean on God's Higher Wisdom and Purpose. That no matter what happened to me, there was a reason for it. In the 'mean'time, I became more deeply rooted and ground to the Truth in me that God exists, and I still have Purpose while I breathe every breath. I survived.

We have no "real" control over our lives. Shift-Happens, no matter who you are, or what your station in life is.

For me, Faith?, it has been like the biblical Job 'wipe-out' experience when Pluto entered my H12... and in Sagittarius it continued through my H12, over the Ascendant... usa 9-11 event... and through my H1 for the past 15+ years.

I laughed a bit reading some of the posts.... It's as though some of us have a Stockholm Syndrome love-hate relationship with Pluto maybe? And perhaps too, the P of Pluto can stand humorously for PTSD when you've been through it in devastating ways!!

But for me, now that that transit of Pluto through my H1 is due to complete itself after Pluto Capricorn turns direct again, if I had to say one thing, it would be that I never 'Lost my Praise'...

In the worst of all circumstances and in my most horrible heartbreaks and sheer catastrophes, I've learned to mutely or strongly say that "Yet!! Yet, Will I STILL Praise Him."

I may cry and cry right now (because I'm sorta battle-weary, and need replenishing like vacation or retreat time away from here)... But my own very unique journey, has been a spiritual journey, with an ever deepening and widening Love for God for over all my lifetime.

People came and went. They betrayed me, or just weren't there for me when I needed them the most... 'But God' always stayed 'inside' of me... not wavering. Sometimes it felt harder to connect, but that's the time where you have to have the faith that he doesn't abandon....

Good lyrics here... for Pluto transits!

(music) I Never Lost My Praise (Kurt Carr, Lady Tramaine Hawkins) [12:32] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRD7ODdriko

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oops! forgot to add my placements

end of 8th House, Pluto Leo. Cancer on Cusp of 8th.

Pluto LEO e.o.8th trine NorthNode-GalacticCenter H1
Pluto trine Pallas Athene-rx Sag H1
Pluto trine Sedna Aries H4

Pluto mini-trine
Pluto sextile Mercury-SouthNode Gem H7
Pluto sextile Neptune-rx Libra H10
Mercury trine Neptune

Pluto semi-sextiles
Pluto semi-sex Moon Virgo (9th)
Pluto semi-sex Jupiter Uranus Cancer 8th.
Jupiter Uranus sextile Moon

posted June 05, 2015 01:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
What name should I use, Seimi? Thanks so much. I love it. It makes Astrology so easy and fun!

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I see you did and that is fine.> after asteroid 5541 Seimei conjunct my Sun at birth
and my mars/arachne at its Helio North Node. What else would I call myself astrologist@large
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posted June 05, 2015 10:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I get what Messieri said, about becoming real.

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I'm so happy she's getting recognition here. She's always wise, but so humble.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I`ve spent long years with not being able to access my own feelings or being certain what I thought I felt was even a real feeling and not something my mind made up or I had talked myself into.

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^^ Where I am now.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
It`s kinda challenging to not being able to say what you feel and sometime even IF you feel for real.

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Well for me, I access most of my feelings through empathy and vicariously. Which is why I love that you tell me stories

Also through dreams. Maybe this is to be expected with an 8H Pisces moon? Emotions that are semi-conscious or other people's emotions prevail over my own conscious emotions. And it's not like I'm a robot, but knowing how strongly I CAN feel, and how long it's been since I've felt that strongly, shows there is a problem.

But hey I am a Capricorn. We are half human and half ice-sculpture.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
This changed though. I can feel my feelings loud and very clearly, usually somewhere located in my body (mostly around the solar plexus, if it responds, I know it`s genuinely me. lol)

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Great point.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Interestingly enough the very first time I ever layed eyes on Mr Sag
[b] Tr Pluto conjunct n Sun (second hit of these, and had been exact a week before seeing him. lol)[/b]

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Well it's great that your crush also had Pluto on HIS sun, and he fell in love with you, too! (And why didn't you talk to him, dammit? He keeps asking.)

I haven't developed any crushes on Capricorns lately....or ever.

Except for Elvis. Well hey you only need ONE true love.

posted June 05, 2015 10:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
It's those little flags along the path of life that help me navigate who I am and who I am not. And what I am made of.

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
All discomfort is an opportunity to create the self, IMHO.
I wouldn't trade it in for anything.

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Interesting, and I'm happy for you.

I'm conflicted about the idea of "self" at this point, but it would take too long to explain, and go too far off topic, and my thinking isn't clear enough to justify it, anyway.

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Pluto, Mars, Saturn, ASC conjunct.
Pluto parallel Moon.

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Whoa to your placements

posted June 05, 2015 10:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:
But I say it's a gift, and she is there to transform
She has influence above all. She shows people how to embrace and feel and transcend. ^_^

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I agree with this, and would honestly like to meet someone like that, and you are fortunate to have this person as your friend. But I still feel like she has a cruel chart.

Some people say Pisces moon is the hardest placement. The way I feel transits, I feel that Scorpio energy is actually much harder to deal with (as when the moon transits my 8H, or when my Scorpio Uranus/NN gets set off by something.) Scorpio is dying, Pisces is the afterlife.

posted June 05, 2015 10:45 AM            

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I am living a hell. And I owe this to my Pluto transits - activating my natal Pluto squaare.

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Before I thought the conjunctions trs pluto made to my natal planets were the hardest of all. No. To my suprise Pluto opposite Saturn is the real deal. The whole structre I ve built up so far is crumbling down and all the concrete is falling to my head, smashing my heart.

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So sorry to hear this. I hope you've had support when your own inner support is crumbling.

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Originally posted by sis:
so, yes Pluto makes sure you're dead before rebirth.

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I've actually said that same thing to a friend of mine lately. In some ways, I feel like I'm living a post-life life. And that wouldn't make sense unless I told you my life story. I just mean to say, I think I know what you mean.

posted June 05, 2015 10:54 AM            

Heal

posted June 05, 2015 03:44 PM            

"Well for me, I access most of my feelings through empathy and vicariously."
i did so too, and do so, but it feels different to that visceral resonance I was talking about in relation to the solar chakra.

"Which is why I love that you tell me stories "
And I love telling them to you!

"Also through dreams. Maybe this is to be expected with an 8H Pisces moon?"
Yes, I think so. For me it must be the Neptune on my ASC along with the chartuler in Pisces in 3rd house. Dreams are important and illuminating.

Worrying almost, but I had weirdish dreams last night; his Ex sort of featured int hat (though I did not see her in the dream, but knew she was having a job nearby).
But more worryingly I dreamed of someone of my past, I mean like almost 20 years back, when I was going to university. Well I met a lot of people there (most of them just a few times though), but this woman back then was inviting me to her wedding, which actually took place in HIS hometown.
Along with that I dreamed of his best friend (well not really saw him either, but thought of him in the dream, as in the dream he was sort of connected to that woman from my past, the best friend I Mean).

Well his best friend and me actually were going to the same university, studying the same, but I think I was almost on my way out there, when he started.

Strange how the brain works. lol
Not sure why it led me back to those days, I mean seriously it is so long ago. lol I hardly can remember anything from that time anyway, as I was in a pretty bad shape emotionally, spiritually.

But it is interesting, that it brought up this time again.

"We are half human and half ice-sculpture."
LOL
That is funny, and sad.
And not even true.
Ice is frozen water, ntohing earthy about it.

"Well it's great that your crush also had Pluto on HIS sun,"
Yeah, and when we really met Tr Pluto was still in orb of conjuncting his Moon. lol

" and he fell in love with you, too! "
Yeah, well, apparently it was not enough.

"(And why didn't you talk to him, dammit? He keeps asking.)"
LOL
But it`s been so long ago, and times have changed since then.
Well I am not big on grasping how change can happen, when before it was all different. Must be my fixed Moon.
But it is what it is, and sometimes you don`t get a second chance, or a third or 12th . LOL

"It's more like a Vesta thing."
You mean sacred sex?