posted June 03, 2015 11:27 AM            

I feel like every Pluto aspect except for the trine and sextile is downright hard or impossible.

I have sun square Pluto natally, so everything I do is wrong. I have an 8H moon and everything I feel is too intense. I have a Scorpio NN so yay, I get to venture further and further into the heart of darkness if I want to fulfill my destiny. Sounds awesome.

Thank God I do not have Venus-Pluto aspects.

Anyway, I'm curious if anyone else gets grumpy about Pluto. Super demanding, never-satisfied SOB of a planet.

posted June 03, 2015 11:44 AM            

I would not want to exchange my pluto for ANYTHING.
And my Pluto transiting times were just the most amazing experiences. (and I am talking about Tr Pluto square Moon, conjunct Mars, ASC, NN, Neptune, Mercury, Sun and Venus - God I was so sad to see Pluto leave my Venus, well actually my solar return has a conjunction of Pluto and Venus at 3°33, and actually just 3 days after my Venus-return. lol and SR Venus EXACT square natal Pluto at 0°03)

Of course it was not easy, those times always have been rollercoaster rides, but honestly I can deal with that a lot better than with the numbing endless grey days when nothing seems to happen, and everything is just the same.

Give me drama, but keep the boredom away!
(not too much drama of course, just as much as I can handle)

posted June 03, 2015 11:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Super demanding, never-satisfied SOB of a planet.

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that sort of I feel more about Saturn (though well there are certain degrees of all the transpersonal energies that seem to never be satisfied, or not for long)

oh and Tr Pluto conjunct mars was not nice at all, that I do admit.

posted June 03, 2015 12:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
No!!!!

I would not want to exchange my pluto for ANYTHING.

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Some friend you are.

Well I'm glad you had good Pluto transits Ceri.

I'm partial to Saturn, you'll forgive me, but he's my ruler after all. I feel like Saturn says, "Do what I say and you will get a treat. "

Pluto says,"Do what I say or else you better watch out because you are going down in flames while your enemies applaud. And by the way, yes, you have enemies. "

And then you do it and Pluto says, "Fine, now do more."

posted June 03, 2015 12:52 PM            

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Originally posted by SaturnFan:
Doesn't seem to end!

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That's what I mean!

posted June 03, 2015 01:06 PM            

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posted June 03, 2015 01:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
That's what I mean!

And wow you have a lot of Pluto in your chart. You carry it well.

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Faith,

I am right there with you re: Pluto and discomfort. I posted a thread recently in another forum talking about hating Pluto because I have too much in my chart and every transit has brought me loss and pain. Complete destruction / transformation in whatever house he's currently in- currently the 8th (of all things).

When Pluto transited my 7th, I married an abusive man suddenly (and was disowned as a result). I eventually divorced him and then entered in a relationship with my current husband. When I left my ex-husband, I took almost nothing with me; no furniture or appliances or anything, and stayed in a room with only a twin sized mattress. I filed a restraining order and cut him out of my life completely. I also became very much aware that I didn't like who I was and it didn't feel like me- I wasn't being true to myself and being aware of that is what fueled a lot of my transformation.

At that time, my new relationship was very Plutonic and involved addiction and betrayal (which I was very much aware of and was waiting for him to tell me about it). I was devastated, but he had hit rock bottom and needed help. I could see him for who he really was and as a result I took a chance and got him in touch with a therapist and 12 step groups.He completely changed his life, cut all ties with the addicts in his life, and eventually moved in with me. He really transformed himself too. Btw he has Mars in Scorpio and a Scorpio 7th house so it seems like Pluto transformations are a theme with him as well. We struggled for a while because I had to learn how to trust myself, learn not to give my power to others, and accept whatever happened. I really had to let go. In the end, I am SO glad I took a chance on him and I'm reminded every day. This all by the end of Pluto's transit through my 7th house.

It started heading through my 8th and formed a conjunction with my ruling planet (Mercury) and guess what happened: the day after my wedding, my cousin and best friend died suddenly while out running. He was the same age as me and we grew up joined at the hip. I think that was when I really decided that I hated Pluto. Of course, I'm still anxious now that Pluto's moving through my 8th and will form very difficult aspects with critical points / planets in my chart.

However, this is not to scare you- Pluto was forcing me to transform myself and in the end, it was worth it.

Here's my chart if you're interested:

I hope I didn't scare you- I think the thing to remember is to allow Pluto to do his thing and focus on the lessons he's trying to teach us. I also have a very Plutonic chart and a history of childhood neglect and abuse, abusive relationships and losses and I feel like if I hadn't tried to control things so much that it may have ended up being a very positive experience.

Sorry for the long post and thank you for reading. :-)

Nelys

posted June 03, 2015 01:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
It may be moon/Saturn.

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Who has moon/Saturn?

I don't have moon/Saturn.

Unless you are counting the fact that my draconic moon is exactly conjunct my progressed Saturn, but that was just a secret between me, my chart, and the creepers who delve into my chart and know my solar arcs and asteroids before I do.

I think in your case it was more a lucky guess.

posted June 03, 2015 01:28 PM            

Yes I'm getting the feeling that that is another thing about Pluto. It makes everything more real, more scary and risky, but more satisfying whenever it all goes right. Satisfying like nothing else.

But so exhausting.

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posted June 03, 2015 01:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I was trying to be nice to you, Faith. Take care.

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I said nothing rude to you, Ami. Have a good one.

PS This quaint exchange reminds me of a quote from Dr. Strangelove:

posted June 03, 2015 01:50 PM            

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posted June 03, 2015 01:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
You deleted your nasty comment

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posted June 03, 2015 01:58 PM            

Why don't you just stay off my threads from now on? I'll stay off yours.

posted June 03, 2015 02:03 PM            

Nasty comment.

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posted June 03, 2015 02:04 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Pluto is in hard aspect to my moon and Venus and my experiences with women have been overwhelmingly negative. Pluto sucks but Saturn might have Pluto beat.

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Is your e-marriage to Odette failing?

Maybe it depends on how our natal charts are arranged, whether Saturn or Pluto is harder.

posted June 03, 2015 02:05 PM            

I think it is the aspect that keeps me sane, but who knows. So much saturnian influence in me ...

For every thing pluto has taken away from me, there's something else I received that I wouldnt exchange for the whole wide world.

posted June 03, 2015 02:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b]I think in your case it was more a lucky guess.

Nasty comment.

I thought you deleted it. It was just up a few posts

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Lucky guess is nasty?

posted June 03, 2015 02:07 PM            

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posted June 03, 2015 02:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Is your e-marriage to Odette failing?

Maybe it depends on how our natal charts are arranged, whether Saturn or Pluto is harder.

Maybe it's my Scorpio NN that is the challenge and your Cap NN conjunct Saturn (right?)

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posted June 03, 2015 02:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

And then you do it and Pluto says, "Fine, now do more."

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But isn`t it amazing that you CAN do more? Sdo much more than you thought you were capable of?

Of course Pluto is not a lightweight I am not saying that.
And I was NOT fond of the Tr Pluto to my Mars, as this coincided with my grandfather having a stroke, which restructured all our lives (and the second hit happened just 2 days before something else took place, that was important for me).

Mars rules my 4th house and is in my 12th btw.

Recently I was having.

Tr Pluto conjunct pr ASC
- this one is a loooooong one due to retrogradation

exact hits:
march-april 2011
january 2012
june 2012
december 2012
july 2013
november 2013
september 2014

It was right in the middle of that period (november 2012), that I decided to lose weight, and I suspect Pluto being one factor in it being such a smooth run actually (of course it was work, and discipline and I don`t knoww aht, but it worked out)