posted January 26, 2020 04:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Nadja:
My Moon is in Virgo 12th house.

Square Gemini Sun in 9th house.
Trine Neptune on the IC in Capricorn
Sextile Mars & Mercury on the MC in Cancer.
Sextile Scorpio Pluto in 2nd house.

I'm rather detached from my own emotions.My empathy is stronger,so that I feel the emotions of other people more than I do my own.

I cry because someone else is crying... I'm very receptive, in every way. My intuition is spot on most of the time. With some people I feel like I can almost read their mind.

I tend to assimilate not only the emotions of others but habits, body language and mode of speech too. But I struggle with accessing my own feelings, and I have a hard time expressing them.

I'm more in touch with my emotions and more expressive when I create art or music. My mother is my best friend, but she does suffer from mental health issues and has been committed to a mental institution several times (first time in my early teens).

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I think you are the perfect person to pose this question to; i am perplexed by an Aqua Sun/Moon in Vir in the 12th.

He takes things very personally and talking to him is a mission.He deems me "offensive"

What makes the Moon in 12th house in Virgo be more engaged and less defensive?

posted January 26, 2020 04:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Mystic~Melody:
Also moon in first in Capricorn. Moon in first means people can see my emotions like a wreath on my front door. The interps will say I "wear my heart on my sleeve". Capricorn is more reserved so you'll see a person trying to control their emotions. I'm not emotional in a sensitive Cancer way but will get tears in my eyes during a powerful moment during a movie and always joke that I cry when someone wins a car on The Price is Right. I'm just so HAPPY for their happiness. It touches me.

Now, I also have Mars in the first, but in Aquarius. So I will get REALLY fired up over some perceived injustice to myself or humanity in general and will be super angry super fast for a few minutes. If I am given the space to chill, it will pass. If someone continues the moment, it will combine with my emotions/moon and then I am no longer angry at a thought, I am emotionally involved with whatever first impacted my Mars. The anger and impulse to be outraged by some social issue or a perceived affront to myself will then become extremely personal and I will be like a cork in the ocean during a turbulent storm. Uncomfortable with the strong emotions and unable to calm them.

I just need five minutes to cool down Mars to a manageable level, then another ten to be completely logical again. If no other event occurs that kicks the cork back out into the storm. Otherwise, everyone WILL know I am angry. And the Libra in me will be happy to tell them WHY. Mercury conjunct Pluto in Virgo will tell them EXACTLY why. Usually with a perfectly Capricorn executed Martial gut punch of precise and cutting words.

Since people can see my emotions but often interpret them wrong, I've learned over the course of my life to just speak openly and honestly about them and use my precise Mercury mind conjunct precise Pluto depth to tell them in a deep way to create understanding instead of fear of what is actually going on with me. Some people can't handle truth and honesty. Some people value it. It helps me sort humans.

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Well atleast you don't have the "bi-polar" effect of Moon in Cancer in the 1st House like my sister. Emotions go all over the place with her.

Perhaps you are the exception to the Cap rule I have? Many times I have convinced myself that Cap and Cancer just don't agree with each other long-term.

posted January 26, 2020 07:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I think you are the perfect person to pose this question to; i am perplexed by an Aqua Sun/Moon in Vir in the 12th.

He takes things very personally and talking to him is a mission.He deems me "offensive"

What makes the Moon in 12th house in Virgo be more engaged and less defensive?

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I don't know if I am the right person to ask. With a Gemini Sun and Mercury conjunct Mars/MC in Cancer, in mutual reception with my Virgo Moon, I'm actually very talkative and communicative. I don't think anyone would call me reserved as such. I share a lot of myself with the world. But I don't tend to share in an emotional way, if you get what I mean... and I shy away from conversations that make me feel vulnerable, or where I would have to make myself vulnerable. I don't share my innermost self with anyone really. There are inner parts of me that are just for me, myself and I. If someone was to incessantly prod and poke at those areas, and not accept my avoidance, I guess I would get defensive. But I would think that would be rightful, no one has the right to my innermost thoughts and feelings.

posted January 26, 2020 08:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Nadja:
I don't know if I am the right person to ask. With a Gemini Sun and Mercury conjunct Mars/MC in Cancer, in mutual reception with my Virgo Moon, I'm actually very talkative and communicative. I don't think anyone would call me reserved as such. I share a lot of myself with the world. But I don't tend to share in an emotional way, if you get what I mean... and I shy away from conversations that make me feel vulnerable, or where I would have to make myself vulnerable. I don't share my innermost self with anyone really. There are inner parts of me that are just for me, myself and I. If someone was to incessantly prod and poke at those areas, and not accept my avoidance, I guess I would get defensive. But I would think that would be rightful, no one has the right to my innermost thoughts and feelings.

So I guess it comes down to your own communication style in relation to his. If he is a very private sort of person, then I don't think that's something you can change, but you can change how you approach him. If he is like me, then avoiding emotional subjects would probably be the way to go. Even if you feel the need to engage emotionally he might not. Taking his needs and wishes into account is important, and you might have to use your intuition to understand those needs, because he isn't likely to explain himself. If he is like me then engaging intellectually is probably not an issue. He should be more open to sharing what he thinks than what he feels. Making the conversation more personal is where there will be a balance act. It is possible to have deeply personal communication without emotional vulnerability, but it demands a sensitive touch from both parties.

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Well put. In other words, he and I are likely not going to work out. I should cut my losses

I think what bugged me about him was that you are right, he would steer clear of being vulnerable or explore his own feelings.

But that wouldn't stop him from wanting me to tell him how I feel about him i.e "do you love me really?" , " say those words to me again" etc. But he would be evasive, icky and fragile about returning the favour.

Another aspect of him is that he is full of contradictions(Mercury I guess).Because as much as I would say "I love you" etc.His answer would sometimes be "You THINK you love me. But do you realy? " etc.

It just became very confusing and headache inducing to prance around a pink elephant and not address it directly i.e my Aries Asc thinking(and perhaps Mars/Moon/Merc T-square added in for good measure) was; why refuse or avoid saying something that I feel?

But i think after saying "i love you" and expecting the relationship to pick up momentum. It got into a ditch

I do feel deeply for him.But its not fun to be in a constant state of hide & seek. He claims to be "shy". But my argument is that we've known each other since 2009.

That's 10+ years of "shyness" and making up excuses of why we cant be together. Nope. It's useless.

posted January 26, 2020 08:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Well put. In other words, he and I are likely not going to work out. I should cut my losses

I think what bugged me about him was that you are right, he would steer clear of being vulnerable or explore his own feelings.

But that wouldn't stop him from wanting me to tell him how I feel about him i.e "do you love me really?" , " say those words to me again" etc. But he would be evasive, icky and fragile about returning the favour.

Another aspect of him is that he is full of contradictions(Mercury I guess).Because as much as I would say "I love you" etc.His answer would sometimes be "You THINK you love me. But do you realy? " etc.

It just became very confusing and headache inducing to prance around a pink elephant and not address it directly i.e my Aries Asc thinking(and perhaps Mars/Moon/Merc T-square added in for good measure) was; why refuse or avoid saying something that I feel?

But i think after saying "i love you" and expecting the relationship to pick up momentum. It got into a ditch

I do feel deeply for him.But its not fun to be in a constant state of hide & seek. He claims to be "shy". But my argument is that we've known each other since 2009.

That's 10+ years of "shyness" and making up excuses of why we cant be together. Nope. It's useless.

Thanks for your response.

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If you are looking for openly emotional intimacy, then it might be a bust yes.

posted January 26, 2020 10:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Nadja:
I don't know if I am the right person to ask. With a Gemini Sun and Mercury conjunct Mars/MC in Cancer, in mutual reception with my Virgo Moon, I'm actually very talkative and communicative. I don't think anyone would call me reserved as such. I share a lot of myself with the world. But I don't tend to share in an emotional way, if you get what I mean... and I shy away from conversations that make me feel vulnerable, or where I would have to make myself vulnerable. I don't share my innermost self with anyone really. There are inner parts of me that are just for me, myself and I. If someone was to incessantly prod and poke at those areas, and not accept my avoidance, I guess I would get defensive. But I would think that would be rightful, no one has the right to my innermost thoughts and feelings.

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I used to be the same way (Gemini Moon conjunct Venus/SN), but I started opening up when people kept calling me "mysterious" and I realized that I wouldn't have the close friendships that I wanted, if I didn't trust anyone.

Although, in the past decade, I've reached a point where I don't trust anyone when they tell me they love me. Friendship-wise or otherwise. Not right away. In the past, it felt good. Now I just wait for it to pass. I don't have anyone jumping through hoops, but I'm somewhat guarded. (And Aries23, I've just read your post about this guy - he sounds like me, although I'm not as insistent. I didn't tell someone, "No, you don't" and I will cave pretty easily - the guy who last said it, who I've talked about here, I *do* talk about things with him, I just spill - and with him, I have good reason to think the feelings will pass.) This past decade has also sucked.

posted January 26, 2020 10:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Nadja:
If you are looking for openly emotional intimacy, then it might be a bust yes.

As an aromantic asexual (in which my Virgo 12th moon may play part) I've never been in a relationships such as that... but I don't think it would be in my nature to verbalize my love for anyone. (Except for my dog, my dog gets all the love!) It's probably at least in part cultural though... to be emotionally expressive isn't the Finnish way.

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I don't think I would survive in Finland then.lol. I am not inappropriate .But I am expressive.

Oddly,he insists I am NOT emotionally open. And this further adds to how we intrinsically misunderstand each other fundamentally.

I read somewhere that Moon in 12th could also suggest someone who settles in a foreign country or distant land( both figuratively and literally)

So these people can feel both a connection and disconnection from their immediate surroundings. Kinda like a bird perched on a ledge and overlooking the forest. Or an individual who feels like a "visitor" everywhere they go.

Like Moon in 3rd,6th and 9th,they are in their heads(this explains why I feel so connected to him somehow).I am also aware of the mental fatigue he talks about(in those rare instances where he shares)

But the stark difference being that whilst the 3rd/9th live there to express what is going on there.

posted January 26, 2020 11:04 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I used to be the same way (Gemini Moon conjunct Venus/SN), but I started opening up when people kept calling me "mysterious" and I realized that I wouldn't have the close friendships that I wanted, if I didn't trust anyone.

Although, in the past decade, I've reached a point where I don't trust anyone when they tell me they love me. Friendship-wise or otherwise. Not right away. In the past, it felt good. Now I just wait for it to pass. I don't have anyone jumping through hoops, but I'm somewhat guarded. (And Aries23, I've just read your post about this guy - he sounds like me, although I'm not as insistent. I didn't tell someone, "No, you don't" and I will cave pretty easily - the guy who last said it, who I've talked about here, I *do* talk about things with him, I just spill - and with him, I have good reason to think the feelings will pass.) This past decade has also sucked.

I don't ask a lot of personal questions, because I don't want to put anyone on the spot, or pry too much. I can be really shy, and hate to be put on the spot. So, I wait for people to volunteer information.

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I think the Gem energy compels you to talk.lol. With him, i feel like i am dealing with someone who is always weary and fearful of divulging anything . Even as I am the one who volunteers information.

posted January 26, 2020 11:30 PM            

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Pluviophile123:
[b] My Taurus moon is in my third house, too! My mind is constantly on. I feel like I wake up every morning already in the middle of a thousand thoughts 😂 I also need to feel like I can discuss all sorts of trivial things at any time in order to feel comfortable with someone. It’s also opposite my sun and mercury so I’m sure that adds to it all

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I think my future spouse is likely Virgo or Libra. Probably with Aqua/Gemini in the mix.[/B][/QUOTE]

It’s crazy because I have NO problem hitting it off with air signs right off the bat, but those that end up sticking around (for whatever personal and non-personal reasons) usually have some significant earth or water placements. Fire and air both can be a toss-up. Not that I have anything against them! They’re usually pretty fun and funny people, which I like me and Aquarius usually stick it out together.

posted January 27, 2020 12:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Mystic~Melody:
Aries, you are correct. Cancer energy is the most challenging to me. It is square my Libra and opposite my Capricorn placements. I am too cold and not emotionally invested enough from Cancer's perspective. Though I see it more as having more of an emotional depth and not being as emotional about more petty things?

Like if someone stubs their toe and wants to have a big emotional pity party about it, I don't participate in the pity party. When my teenage daughter has little emotional drama events I have to consciously listen and be understanding and compassionate to give her love. It is not in my nature.

I am thinking... this is not something to get upset over. There are children starving in this world or working in mines to give us cheap products. But I say the required, "poor baby" etc and offer comfort. I don't do this with adults.

My family has a strong Cancer signature and I am "the black sheep".

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Cancer is very much like Aries Moon ime. In that they can get caught up in the moment and loop around in moment to moment reactions. Not taking into consideration the overall picture.

Its not in their nature as Cancer(like Aries) is "the baby".But Cancer doesn't throw tantrums.Their approach is to pout in the corner until things go their way.

Both tend to feel emotions as if they are feeling them for the very first time. They tend to not have the objective reasoning to separate themselves from them as Gemini/ Taurus would.The response is always to "react".

Cap is the"adult" and Libra the "judge".Both the mentioned signs tend to be less prone to subjectivity and they can detach or separate themselves from "in the moment" reactions.

This then makes the two (this especially Cap as Lib is more tolerant of those who are more emotional than they are) the type to appear "condescending" or unkind to Aries/Cancer energy. And that may be why the coupling between the respective energies can be so challenging.

Speaking as a Cancer Moon with opposition to Mercury and square to Mars and Asc. I have what you may call the cardinal grand cross( including the Asc).

I still am very typical of this sign energy i.e "the baby who responds positively to being nurtured and cared for" etc. I am very sensitive to harsh words/ being treated in an indifferent way.

However,having Moon in 3rd has me "express" or articulate the energy a lot more than typical Cancer does. And therein lies the stark difference between my approach vs. the Cancer people i meet.

Yes,I can brood. But I tell you why I am brooding. I let it out and tell you when I am not happy or in a funk etc.

I think for every Cap Moon parent with a Cancer Sun/Moon child, what is important is letting them express their feelings. But in the same breath,teaching them to be conscious of trigger points and seek downtime to energize themselves-instead of searching for affirmations from the outside.

One can't help expressing how one feels.And Cancer is excellent at this.And Cap DOES express emotions too (they are cardinal after all).But the ruler Sat has them express emotions that are negative more frequently and "naturally" than those that are positive.

They (Cap) should be conscious of that.As that is actually what makes them seem "cold" to others and has people feel them as emotionally "aloof".

Cancer doesn't mind negative emotions expressed by Cap.That is what is important to know-as Cancer expresses ALL emotions.

But what is the issue is that Cap can find it harder to express positive emotions. Emotions that build rather than break or criticize. And Cancer takes issue with that.

For the Cap to give encouragement/"enlighten" instead of being critical etc. Is what the Cancer can deem as "harsh".And that's really what's at the heart of the challenges between these two.Not enough affirmation and too much desecration.

Be careful and mindful of this when dealing with your daughter.As this stark contrast in both your instinctive emotional approaches does have the potential to isolate you from her and her from you.

But then again in the esoteric world, the Cancer Moon child often chooses parents/ circumstances that clarify or sharpen the need for emotional independence or self reliance (kinda like Aries Moon actually).

This could be through having Cap/Aqua/Gem or Sag Moon parents etc.Or having an environment that emphasizes within them the need to create more love and protection in the outside world etc.

The pain the Cancer Moon carries,is always equal to the love they refuse to give to themselves.

posted January 27, 2020 01:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Pluviophile123:
It’s crazy because I have NO problem hitting it off with air signs right off the bat, but those that end up sticking around (for whatever personal and non-personal reasons) usually have some significant earth or water placements. Fire and air both can be a toss-up. Not that I have anything against them! They’re usually pretty fun and funny people, which I like me and Aquarius usually stick it out together.

Do you prefer air in a spouse or are you more mushy gushy?? I prefer the gush! Lol. My boyfriend now is Virgo moon and he’s CHILL, which I like! Sometimes a little too chill, and I just wish he would loosen up and be more demonstrative with me as I am with him 🤦‍♀️ I can’t complain though, I can truly call him a best friend today too. He’s also moon in third house and we both love doing mundane stuff with each other, ie grocery shopping 😝

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I attract Libra Sun a lot(I have the midpoint in Lib). So perhaps I am looking for a mix of both?

I think my ideal mate would have to have a Mars in Lib, Moon in Pisc and Scor Ven combo. Perhaps a Sun in Virgo? Or Sag?

I have had positive experiences with all the above placements.No complaints. And I know the placements spokenof are very much like mine. Lol.

But i guess I am really very much inlove with myself

posted January 27, 2020 02:24 AM            

Trine Scorpio Pluto in the 8th (exact)
Trine Cancer Mercury in the 4th
Sextile Capricorn Neptune and Uranus in the 10th

Even though I am a very emotional and sensitive person, I rarely display what I am truly feeling out to others. I don't really hold a poker face like Capricorn Moons per se, as I can easily express myself through everyday gestures like laughter and goofing off without feeling overtly silly doing so, but I mostly hide my innermost feelings from others. I'm not sure why, exactly. I guess there's something strange to me about flaunting these inner emotions to people. Something to do with the sacredness of deeper feelings and giving them away to just anyone somehow lessens the value of them, if that even makes any sense. And also how there's my fear of rejection and being scrutinized over something that is very sacred to me. I can remain independent from other people (Saturn in the 11th) and so often I don't really feel a need to divulge any of this to others. I'm very secretive and prefer keeping it that way. I can enjoy myself and have fun, but the core apect of my being always remains hidden. I think this is even more emphasized due to Moon being a part of a Grand Water Trine with Cancer Mercury in the 4th and exact with Scorpio Pluto in the 8th (a.k.a...a Hades Moon).

posted January 27, 2020 04:18 AM            

Im very lost. I feel a lot of times, like I don't belong in this world. Like an outcast no matter what. Im prone to feeling this way ever since I was young. I see other peoples struggles since I was little and I want to help but other things get in my way. I feel often times like a useless human being, because of the many things Im incapable of because of my fears and doubts. When Im around certain people who make me feel uncomfortable, that's when I feel it even more. For some reason when Im in certain environments I feel the feeling of wanting to escape more.

I remember when I was a teen and tried to hang out with friends, and go out and hang with them, but for some reason not before long I just wanted to go home and be safe in my room, where I felt most comfortable, and I missed my grandma. I just didn't feel right being in such an enviroment. I feel the same way around my mom and sister. Like I can't be alone with them too long without feeling small like an ant.

Certain environments make me feel a certain way, so I like my surroundings to be comfortable to me.

Im most emotional when Im alone by myself. Unlike most people, I find that I am most able to let my emotions out when Im alone. I envy those who are able to wear their heart on their sleeves and let their emotions out right then and there. While I either find myself deliberately trying to hold back until Im alone, or go to a separate room or somewhere where there isn't anyone.

Music is my escape, yet my mood affects whether I listen to music or not. Since music is my source of happiness, I can't listen to it when Im down.

I would kind of describe myself as a pessimistic optimist, because for some reason I always have this inner voice in me telling me things are going to be okay. Some reason a voice telling me that nothing bad really exists, things will get better, this is probably due to my strong moon-jupiter conjunction. It's like always trying to find the silver lining, but yet another part of me tells me don't fall for it, anything bad can happen. For all I know something bad can happen to me at any moment.

Then I think of other people who've had it harder than me in ways I can't really imagine, and makes me feel like I have no right to be ungrateful.

It's like I feel a constant need to imagine the worst possible thing I feel can happen to me, and tell myself that as long as that isn't happening to me I should live every moment grateful and counting my blessings.

Which isn't good because when I go even through something that isn't the worst possible thing, I still feel the desire to cry and want to disappear, but I feel like I can't, because then I feel like an ungrateful brat and fear that I will be punished and god will really show me how bad it could be. I feel like Im constantly fighting myself.

Ive always been a daydreamer, my imagination is pretty strong, and so are my dreams. I dream a lot and I can remember my dreams quite well. When I was little I was able to imagine almost anything and it feel real to me. Like I can imagine myself in almost any situation. But nowadays I feel like Ive lost that spark and I only wish it'd come back.

I probably can come across stoic to people because of how well I hide my emotions.
I am indeed really weird. The more I interact with people the more sad and lost I feel. Sometimes I wonder if Im even human and it sucks. My outlook on things can be vastly different from others as well as my emotions. One moment I could be crying because of Winnie the Pooh and then the next moment I feel numb. And then I cry because I feel numb and it makes me feel unhuman, then the cycle continues.

The way it feels is like a person who wants to scream but can't. I didn't used to feel like this before, I wasn't as lost.. but now I do. Which I guess it's inevitable for someone with so many 12th house planets.

Having a 12th house moon is not a sweet placement for the moon. Im my own experience all it causes is great fear day to day but not even really realizing it because it literally becomes a part of you. Something that you just get used to. Inner voices of doubt, imaging the worst possible things happening, fogginess, and feeling like a person on the outside looking in. It' s like being in a constant dream state, , like where you feel it's real but then something is in you is saying it isn't real.

I've learned that for me to live on in this world I just have to accept that I will continue to live in doubt and fear. Because no matter what, there are very little things people can say to a 12th house moon to make them feel better, and in most cases 12th house people have an act of being invisible to others, and you see that when you reach out for help, but no one takes you seriously til it's too late. We just have to make dew with what we have. That's our fate.

posted January 27, 2020 04:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I think you are the perfect person to pose this question to; i am perplexed by an Aqua Sun/Moon in Vir in the 12th.

He takes things very personally and talking to him is a mission.He deems me "offensive"

What makes the Moon in 12th house in Virgo be more engaged and less defensive?

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Im always so reluctant to give advice on how to deal with a placement I myself have, because I always am not so sure if they can be just like me. But I will give my advice anyway. So this is merely based on my experience from having my moon in the same house.
We do tend to deem things offensively, and it is more so how you say it rather than what you say. It's important to be somewhat timid in your approach to them, not too forceful.
Make them feel like you are not judging them, and can make them feel comfortable. Naturally 12th house people in general are very guarded and reluctant to who they let in.
Treat them like a fish. Slowly reel them in. I was reading a blog a lady wrote about how she has learned to deal with her husband, who has his moon in the 12th house, and was amazed at how well she knew how to deal with this placement. If anyone is interested I could find it and post it here. It's pretty insightful.

posted January 27, 2020 04:43 AM            

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Originally posted by moongaze:
Pisces Moon in the 12th house

Trine Scorpio Pluto in the 8th (exact)
Trine Cancer Mercury in the 4th
Sextile Capricorn Neptune and Uranus in the 10th

Even though I am a very emotional and sensitive person, I rarely display what I am truly feeling out to others. I don't really hold a poker face like Capricorn Moons per se, as I can easily express myself through everyday gestures like laughter and goofing off without feeling overtly silly doing so, but I mostly hide my innermost feelings from others. I'm not sure why, exactly. I guess there's something strange to me about flaunting these inner emotions to people. Something to do with the sacredness of deeper feelings and giving them away to just anyone somehow lessens the value of them, if that even makes any sense. And also how there's my fear of rejection and being scrutinized over something that is very sacred to me. I can remain independent from other people (Saturn in the 11th) and so often I don't really feel a need to divulge any of this to others. I'm very secretive and prefer keeping it that way. I can enjoy myself and have fun, but the core apect of my being always remains hidden. I think this is even more emphasized due to Moon being a part of a Grand Water Trine with Cancer Mercury in the 4th and exact with Scorpio Pluto in the 8th (a.k.a...a Hades Moon).

Over the years I have repressed my emotions without having ever realized it until recently, and know it's something that has chewed me up over time. It's very unconscious. The best way for me to channel this out is through various kinds of art, whether it involves creating things myself or by enjoying what others have created, the latter mostly through music. With Venus on the Sun and South Node, it's always come naturally. I've also went through a phase when I was younger of trying to be more of a logical and linear thinker, but I've noticed through time this was going against a very natural aspect of myself, which is much more (metaphorically speaking) right-brained. Could be a Mercury opposite/contra-parallel Uranus thing, but both Mercury and Uranus make positive aspects to my Moon as well. Plus, mostly everything connected to Moon in my chart is water heavy, so not going to be as logically sound over feeling things on a regular basis either.

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posted January 27, 2020 04:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I attract Libra Sun a lot(I have the midpoint in Lib). So perhaps I am looking for a mix of both?

I think my ideal mate would have to have a Mars in Lib, Moon in Pisc and Scor Ven combo. Perhaps a Sun in Virgo? Or Sag?

I have had positive experiences with all the above placements.No complaints. And I know the placements spokenof are very much like mine. Lol.

But i guess I am really very much inlove with myself

Sun in Sag
Moon in Can
Ven in Sc
Mars in Lib

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posted January 27, 2020 11:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Cancer is very much like Aries Moon ime. In that they can get caught up in the moment and loop around in moment to moment reactions. Not taking into consideration the overall picture.

Its not in their nature as Cancer(like Aries) is "the baby".But Cancer doesn't throw tantrums.Their approach is to pout in the corner until things go their way.

Both tend to feel emotions as if they are feeling them for the very first time. They tend to not have the objective reasoning to separate themselves from them as Gemini/ Taurus would.The response is always to "react".

Cap is the"adult" and Libra the "judge".Both the mentioned signs tend to be less prone to subjectivity and they can detach or separate themselves from "in the moment" reactions.

This then makes the two (this especially Cap as Lib is more tolerant of those who are more emotional than they are) the type to appear "condescending" or unkind to Aries/Cancer energy. And that may be why the coupling between the respective energies can be so challenging.

Speaking as a Cancer Moon with opposition to Mercury and square to Mars and Asc. I have what you may call the cardinal grand cross( including the Asc).

I still am very typical of this sign energy i.e "the baby who responds positively to being nurtured and cared for" etc. I am very sensitive to harsh words/ being treated in an indifferent way.

However,having Moon in 3rd has me "express" or articulate the energy a lot more than typical Cancer does. And therein lies the stark difference between my approach vs. the Cancer people i meet.

Yes,I can brood. But I tell you why I am brooding. I let it out and tell you when I am not happy or in a funk etc.

I think for every Cap Moon parent with a Cancer Sun/Moon child, what is important is letting them express their feelings. But in the same breath,teaching them to be conscious of trigger points and seek downtime to energize themselves-instead of searching for affirmations from the outside.

One can't help expressing how one feels.And Cancer is excellent at this.And Cap DOES express emotions too (they are cardinal after all).But the ruler Sat has them express emotions that are negative more frequently and "naturally" than those that are positive.

They (Cap) should be conscious of that.As that is actually what makes them seem "cold" to others and has people feel them as emotionally "aloof".

Cancer doesn't mind negative emotions expressed by Cap.That is what is important to know-as Cancer expresses ALL emotions.

But what is the issue is that Cap can find it harder to express positive emotions. Emotions that build rather than break or criticize. And Cancer takes issue with that.

For the Cap to give encouragement/"enlighten" instead of being critical etc. Is what the Cancer can deem as "harsh".And that's really what's at the heart of the challenges between these two.Not enough affirmation and too much desecration.

Be careful and mindful of this when dealing with your daughter.As this stark contrast in both your instinctive emotional approaches does have the potential to isolate you from her and her from you.

But then again in the esoteric world, the Cancer Moon child often chooses parents/ circumstances that clarify or sharpen the need for emotional independence or self reliance (kinda like Aries Moon actually).

This could be through having Cap/Aqua/Gem or Sag Moon parents etc.Or having an environment that emphasizes within them the need to create more love and protection in the outside world etc.

The pain the Cancer Moon carries,is always equal to the love they refuse to give to themselves.

Cancer is(contrary to popular belief) an emotionally self-sufficient sign than others-with the exception of Taurus. So they need not look to others for what they can gift themselves.

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Agree with all. Brilliant explanation. My daughter is actually a Cap sun, Libra AC , and Aries moon. My moon in 1st is the one expressing feelings, but I see Cancer as the 13 year old girl energy so her young teenager "tween" years had more of this dynamic, though as you said the Aries moon has some similarities. She has learned over the years to consider and analyze her thoughts and feelings. Then she kind of "presents" them to me like a well thought out pitch to the CEO of the company in the weird but awesome way of a Young Capricorn who is so adultish and grown up. She's 17 now so more of the Virgo signature in age, but during her tween years she went through the Cancer and Leo signatures.

posted January 27, 2020 11:42 AM            

"Rest if you must, but don't you quit!"

I read this on a bookmark in a store 30 years ago. I still remember it and look it up to share from time to time.

Don't Quit

posted January 27, 2020 07:11 PM            

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Originally posted by SoulOfABird:
I also have my moon in the 12th house
I completely get what your saying! I feel like Im the same way. I feel like you almost described me.I couldn't say it any better myself. Especially the part where you said you feel your emotions are a sacred part that you don't want to give away to just anyone. I felt that way for a long time, but by hiding my feelings, like you I feel like it gets to me. But somehow I know it's not like me to show everyone my feelings to the world. I've tried being more unemotional and strong when I was younger as well, but I knew it was just a front and couldn't really do that. But then I try to show my emotions more, but I feel like it isn't right either. Because I just am not the type to do that with just anyone. But yeah I do show affection and laughter a lot. I laugh a lot and Im not really serious or anything, just I keep a lot to myself.
But I don't know how to find an outlet for anything. Like you were able to find an outlet, but I don't know.. I listen to music and enjoy it because it expresses things I am unable to. Music has always been my go to as well.

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Nice, another who has Moon in the 12th.

Yeah, it's this weird paradox of wanting to release these emotions, but knowing afterwards you'd feel guilty and wish you didn't sort of thing. And then you get stuck in this rut daydreaming perhaps of the perfect moment to do so, and it always ends up coming out perfectly when you imagine it.

The issue is, reality always falls short with this placement. This is why I do think 12th house Moons can really benefit from engaging in art in some way in order to release steam, especially through their own process of creation. However, I wouldn't worry about it too much, because this is something that can really take time to discover and cultivate. But if it's something of interest, I'd definitely try experimenting through a variety of mediums without worrying if it will be an overnight masterpiece. Drawing, painting, writing (short stories, poetry, song lyrics, etc), jewelry making, and small sculpture work like wire and origami are some great places to start. Don't give up too easily either, even if what you make is supposedly terrible because you will improve through practice. Being consistent is key.

posted January 27, 2020 10:38 PM            

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I'm sorry girl, I feel you. I've resonated with most things you said. It's certainly a struggle. And when you think it's finally getting better, after some time you realize that it was just an illusion.

But, just know that everyone vibes on a different frequency. Your emotions are hidden and meant to be released through different means. Which could be beautiful, ethereal. Don't try to be someone you're not, rather embrace who you are and use it as a gift. Cuz really it is, others wearing their heart on their sleeve don't have the depth needed to release it in ways you'd be successful in.

I know in social settings it can suck, it just does. And there's no real solution to changing it (except maybe through substances lol) but if you're lucky enough to find people on your level then you don't need to interact with the rest. Get to know yourself better and use your strengths to navigate through life. Everyone has strengths. (even the fact that people aren't aware of your fears is a strength, a facade yet one that others would wish to have had)

But just know that nobody is here on Earth to just live without accomplishing stuff. You're needed more than anything, take the time to get to know yourself and externalize what you've got going on.

Back to your post, would you be able to link the blog you mentioned about this woman learning to deal with a 12th house Moon?

(BTW 12th house Sun and Moon here)

posted January 27, 2020 11:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Now this makes sense.lol. Moon in 2nd house and in Gemini? Yes.

Where is your Mars/Merc/Ura? And aspects?

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Mars my 7th Lord Conjunct Exalted Saturn in Libra 5th House.
In Cancer Mercury Conjunct NN and Sun in 2nd and 3rd House respectively.
Rx Uranus Opposite my Taurus Asc.
Fortuna Conjunct Venus Conjunct Moon in Gemini 2nd House. These Venus n Moon Opposite Neptune Rx.
Moon Trine Mars, Pluto, Vertex and Jupiter.

posted January 28, 2020 06:14 AM            

Thank you for those tips! I actually began trying to oil paint a year ago, because I became fascinated with surrealism art, I wanted to create some myself. But it's difficult, very difficult. I remember many of my dreams well and I think they'd make good artwork, and I come up with good ideas in my head but I just can't seem to apply it to real life. And I get frustrated because I don't have enough focus to sit there trying and learning all the techniques I just want to get to the painting! but there's so much that goes into it. But you got me inspired to want to try again! I think I'll just do what you said, and not care about the outcome being perfect and hopefully I'll learn on the way. But maybe I should try out an easier medium for now lol and slowly get to oil painting.
I definitely have to learn to be consistent !
Thank you for your advice! Im going to keep them in mind definitely (: