posted January 28, 2020 11:40 AM            

And please know that by giving me the gift of knowing my words had even a small positive impact on a fellow traveler and seeker gives me the bravery to speak similar words to another soul in the future. So whatever good comes of that is to your credit as well. And whatever good that person does due to some small insight shared is to partially to your credit as well. Though all credit is to the Divine working through us whenever it is allowed by our small vessels.

posted January 28, 2020 01:31 PM            

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I think the Gem energy compels you to talk.lol. With him, i feel like i am dealing with someone who is always weary and fearful of divulging anything . Even as I am the one who volunteers information.

Perhaps I am a lot more emotionally brave than most people? I take that for granted sometimes

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Yes, I thought about the Gem energy, later on. But that didn't always work for me. I was extremely socially phobic, and it took a lot for me to trust people at all.

He and I have Mercury conjunct Mercury. I think that's a big part of it. He sometimes feels compelled to talk to me, too.

I also just talk now, because I have to make sure that I don't backslide, no matter what is going on. I was agoraphobic for years, didn't see many people - the internet helped me to make friends, and I flourished for a while, until someone started harassing me online, and then harassment and more started at home. Now I need to leave the house when I'm stressed, and I sometimes talk too much when I'm trying to stave off anxiety, or a depressing feeling.

posted January 28, 2020 02:17 PM            

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@Brenda_S
Thank you for your reply (: You put that in such a positive perspective! That's a nice way of looking at it. I just kept seeing the negative but when you put it that way it doesn't sound so bad!
I think what makes it even better is you're a 12th house moon as well so you really understand what Im feeling perfectly. Usually these days I see a lot of people say they are the same way, and say they are anti social or introverts but I still feel like I can't relate to them. It feels different, and those people I usually see are still able to be with the crowd.
But I like how I am able to find a small group of people on here that really get it. Your guys' replies made my day thanks!
It's nice to talk to fellow 12th housers

oh also about the blog Im going to look for it, Im trying to find it but it's a bit difficult. So I will post the link to it later since Im writing this late at night and I should probably go to bed now lol but I promise I'll find it and post it

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posted January 28, 2020 02:42 PM            

You have always had a special place in MY heart. I always saw you as this smart little firecracker wrapped in the most tender and sensitive shell. You were so observant and sensitive (in a psychic way about depth of emotion). You had a unique view and insight. I'm probably saying too much again, but I always wished you had a little more of the ability I have to just click a button that erects enormous steel barriers around the heart. It seems yours has been hurt too often in your life and I wish it protected.
HSC was like that too. He let so much in to his tender heart and when he was hurt he battled his way around. It sounds like you isolate yourself, and I understand this as I do the same. But I put that barrier up first. Maybe it is because you have more of that innocent and brave Aries energy. Maybe you're the half naked muscled agile warrior who doesn't really want to slice people up with your sword but has little defense, and I'm the Saturn/Capricorn type who when attacked puts on the full metal body armor and stands stiffly trying to focus on happy thoughts while others bang away at the metal.

posted January 28, 2020 02:49 PM            

But with Moon ruling the 12th, and Jupiter cusping into the 2nd as well and trining the ruler of the 2nd (Mercury) so closely, the attitudes, perceptions, views towards personal resources, what I value, etc, has been very infused by spiritual perceptions, experiences, intuitions.

Basically, for the most part, I view these in a similar manner as did the teacher Yeshua. Of not much import, UNLESS one is using such for the greater good/service to others. In my view, for self, that would be the only reason to attract or amass wealth/material abundance beyond basic necessities. In other words, I value the inner state of things far more than the outer state.

posted January 28, 2020 07:17 PM            

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Cancer is very much like Aries Moon ime. In that they can get caught up in the moment and loop around in moment to moment reactions. Not taking into consideration the overall picture.

Its not in their nature as Cancer(like Aries) is "the baby".But Cancer doesn't throw tantrums.Their approach is to pout in the corner until things go their way.

Both tend to feel emotions as if they are feeling them for the very first time. They tend to not have the objective reasoning to separate themselves from them as Gemini/ Taurus would.The response is always to "react".

Cap is the"adult" and Libra the "judge".Both the mentioned signs tend to be less prone to subjectivity and they can detach or separate themselves from "in the moment" reactions.

This then makes the two (this especially Cap as Lib is more tolerant of those who are more emotional than they are) the type to appear "condescending" or unkind to Aries/Cancer energy. And that may be why the coupling between the respective energies can be so challenging.

Speaking as a Cancer Moon with opposition to Mercury and square to Mars and Asc. I have what you may call the cardinal grand cross( including the Asc).

I still am very typical of this sign energy i.e "the baby who responds positively to being nurtured and cared for" etc. I am very sensitive to harsh words/ being treated in an indifferent way.

However,having Moon in 3rd has me "express" or articulate the energy a lot more than typical Cancer does. And therein lies the stark difference between my approach vs. the Cancer people i meet.

Yes,I can brood. But I tell you why I am brooding. I let it out and tell you when I am not happy or in a funk etc.

I think for every Cap Moon parent with a Cancer Sun/Moon child, what is important is letting them express their feelings. But in the same breath,teaching them to be conscious of trigger points and seek downtime to energize themselves-instead of searching for affirmations from the outside.

One can't help expressing how one feels.And Cancer is excellent at this.And Cap DOES express emotions too (they are cardinal after all).But the ruler Sat has them express emotions that are negative more frequently and "naturally" than those that are positive.

They (Cap) should be conscious of that.As that is actually what makes them seem "cold" to others and has people feel them as emotionally "aloof".

Cancer doesn't mind negative emotions expressed by Cap.That is what is important to know-as Cancer expresses ALL emotions.

But what is the issue is that Cap can find it harder to express positive emotions. Emotions that build rather than break or criticize. And Cancer takes issue with that.

For the Cap to give encouragement/"enlighten" instead of being critical etc. Is what the Cancer can deem as "harsh".And that's really what's at the heart of the challenges between these two.Not enough affirmation and too much desecration.

Be careful and mindful of this when dealing with your daughter.As this stark contrast in both your instinctive emotional approaches does have the potential to isolate you from her and her from you.

But then again in the esoteric world, the Cancer Moon child often chooses parents/ circumstances that clarify or sharpen the need for emotional independence or self reliance (kinda like Aries Moon actually).

This could be through having Cap/Aqua/Gem or Sag Moon parents etc.Or having an environment that emphasizes within them the need to create more love and protection in the outside world etc.

The pain the Cancer Moon carries,is always equal to the love they refuse to give to themselves.

Cancer is(contrary to popular belief) an emotionally self-sufficient sign than others-with the exception of Taurus. So they need not look to others for what they can gift themselves.

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You totally nailed this. Cap moon, ex husband is a Cancer Moon. We were at complete odds and he felt I always focused on the negatives.

posted January 28, 2020 10:28 PM            

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Im so glad you brought this topic up! I always feel as though my moon is more affected by the house than the sign, mainly because I relate to the house description more than the sign description.

My moon is in the 12th house and my emotions they are... well I feel like I'm hard on myself. I feel like if Im not able to carry the weight of the world on ny shoulders, it makes me a bad or cold person. I truly want to understand everyone's pains especially animals but unfortunately I wasn't born an empath, so I get frustrated if I can't feel others pain deeply. I feel compassion especially when it comes to underdogs or helpless things, but I don't always feel like it's my own if that makes sense? Like I feel it as their own and I will hurt for them, but I'm always usure and doubtful a lot of the times if the depth of which I feel it is deep enough. So I feel that creates a barrier on my feelings. It's so frustrating.

If Im angry I usually cry alone in my room, however as of lately I just cry in front of others, but I still hold back. I feel my emotions most intensely when Im away from others, and I don't cry in situations like for instance, school graduations, or when people are going away. I remember all the kids at school crying cause they were going to miss eachother but I felt nothing. If I thought about it enough I can get myself to understand their feelings, but for me in that situation I was pretty detached. However, I will cry watching movies.

Im most easily moved to tears by people who are teased, bullied, and they are helplesss. I feel very hurt for those types of people, especially nice people treated mean. But in everyday situations like someone dying in a car crash, I will feel sad but it doesn't move me as much as the other things. Which is why I have a hard time with myself. Because I feel like I should feel it more deeply and I want to. But because I have an Aquarius moon I subconsciously feel like I'm never going to be able to. And it bothers me.

My moon in the 12th house
Aquarius
Conjunct Jupiter
Conjunct Uranus
Sextile Pluto
Sextile Saturn
Sextile midheaven

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Are you a life path number 9? You seem like one to me.

posted January 29, 2020 12:39 AM            

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Are you a life path number 9? You seem like one to me.

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What about 9 Life path?

Btw, speaking of same, many sources correlate 9 with Mars, which doesn't make ANY sense to me. They couldn't be more different energies. Mars is like a lower expression of 1 or 5.

With 9, I get a combo of Jupiter in essence (the more Pisces side of Jupiter also), and the positive, but difficult transformative process of Pluto.

Which makes sense in self's case, since Jupiter is one of the strongest Planets in the natal, with 9 Life path at the same time.

posted January 29, 2020 01:12 AM            

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What about 9 Life path?

Btw, speaking of same, many sources correlate 9 with Mars, which doesn't make ANY sense to me. They couldn't be more different energies. Mars is like a lower expression of 1 or 5.

With 9, I get a combo of Jupiter in essence (the more Pisces side of Jupiter also), and the positive, but difficult transformative process of Pluto.

Which makes sense in self's case, since Jupiter is one of the strongest Planets in the natal, with 9 Life path at the same time.

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posted January 29, 2020 01:58 AM            

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Pisces Moon in the 12th house

Trine Scorpio Pluto in the 8th (exact)
Trine Cancer Mercury in the 4th
Sextile Capricorn Neptune and Uranus in the 10th

Even though I am a very emotional and sensitive person, I rarely display what I am truly feeling out to others. I don't really hold a poker face like Capricorn Moons per se, as I can easily express myself through everyday gestures like laughter and goofing off without feeling overtly silly doing so, but I mostly hide my innermost feelings from others. I'm not sure why, exactly. I guess there's something strange to me about flaunting these inner emotions to people. Something to do with the sacredness of deeper feelings and giving them away to just anyone somehow lessens the value of them, if that even makes any sense. And also how there's my fear of rejection and being scrutinized over something that is very sacred to me. I can remain independent from other people (Saturn in the 11th) and so often I don't really feel a need to divulge any of this to others. I'm very secretive and prefer keeping it that way. I can enjoy myself and have fun, but the core apect of my being always remains hidden. I think this is even more emphasized due to Moon being a part of a Grand Water Trine with Cancer Mercury in the 4th and exact with Scorpio Pluto in the 8th (a.k.a...a Hades Moon).

Over the years I have repressed my emotions without having ever realized it until recently, and know it's something that has chewed me up over time. It's very unconscious. The best way for me to channel this out is through various kinds of art, whether it involves creating things myself or by enjoying what others have created, the latter mostly through music. With Venus on the Sun and South Node, it's always come naturally. I've also went through a phase when I was younger of trying to be more of a logical and linear thinker, but I've noticed through time this was going against a very natural aspect of myself, which is much more (metaphorically speaking) right-brained. Could be a Mercury opposite/contra-parallel Uranus thing, but both Mercury and Uranus make positive aspects to my Moon as well. Plus, mostly everything connected to Moon in my chart is water heavy, so not going to be as logically sound over feeling things on a regular basis either.

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Are you Aries Rising? This double emphasis of your Moon in Pisces AND in the 12th is highly psychic.

You are perhaps the one person who needs the most alone time and privacy. This especially with Mercury in 4th (alone with your thoughts). Trying to make sense of what is happening within you(Mercury in Cancer)

I empathize.I am Moon in Cancer in 3rd house of Gemini. I talk/think a lot about how I feel. Trying to also make sense of what is happening within.

But I think with your Moon in Pisces, the answers that comfort you are more open-ended and evolving/more eclectic than specific. And that's okay.

I have a best friend with Moon in Pisces. Very deep person there. In many ways I would say deeper than I am.

posted January 29, 2020 02:14 AM            

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I have my moon in the 12th house.. and to be honest.. as of lately my emotions are something of an enigma to me. Mostly because Im quite influenced by what others say and think, but also I have voices in my head that I can't get out.

Im very lost. I feel a lot of times, like I don't belong in this world. Like an outcast no matter what. Im prone to feeling this way ever since I was young. I see other peoples struggles since I was little and I want to help but other things get in my way. I feel often times like a useless human being, because of the many things Im incapable of because of my fears and doubts. When Im around certain people who make me feel uncomfortable, that's when I feel it even more. For some reason when Im in certain environments I feel the feeling of wanting to escape more.

I remember when I was a teen and tried to hang out with friends, and go out and hang with them, but for some reason not before long I just wanted to go home and be safe in my room, where I felt most comfortable, and I missed my grandma. I just didn't feel right being in such an enviroment. I feel the same way around my mom and sister. Like I can't be alone with them too long without feeling small like an ant.

Certain environments make me feel a certain way, so I like my surroundings to be comfortable to me.

Im most emotional when Im alone by myself. Unlike most people, I find that I am most able to let my emotions out when Im alone. I envy those who are able to wear their heart on their sleeves and let their emotions out right then and there. While I either find myself deliberately trying to hold back until Im alone, or go to a separate room or somewhere where there isn't anyone.

Music is my escape, yet my mood affects whether I listen to music or not. Since music is my source of happiness, I can't listen to it when Im down.

I would kind of describe myself as a pessimistic optimist, because for some reason I always have this inner voice in me telling me things are going to be okay. Some reason a voice telling me that nothing bad really exists, things will get better, this is probably due to my strong moon-jupiter conjunction. It's like always trying to find the silver lining, but yet another part of me tells me don't fall for it, anything bad can happen. For all I know something bad can happen to me at any moment.

Then I think of other people who've had it harder than me in ways I can't really imagine, and makes me feel like I have no right to be ungrateful.

It's like I feel a constant need to imagine the worst possible thing I feel can happen to me, and tell myself that as long as that isn't happening to me I should live every moment grateful and counting my blessings.

Which isn't good because when I go even through something that isn't the worst possible thing, I still feel the desire to cry and want to disappear, but I feel like I can't, because then I feel like an ungrateful brat and fear that I will be punished and god will really show me how bad it could be. I feel like Im constantly fighting myself.

Ive always been a daydreamer, my imagination is pretty strong, and so are my dreams. I dream a lot and I can remember my dreams quite well. When I was little I was able to imagine almost anything and it feel real to me. Like I can imagine myself in almost any situation. But nowadays I feel like Ive lost that spark and I only wish it'd come back.

I probably can come across stoic to people because of how well I hide my emotions.
I am indeed really weird. The more I interact with people the more sad and lost I feel. Sometimes I wonder if Im even human and it sucks. My outlook on things can be vastly different from others as well as my emotions. One moment I could be crying because of Winnie the Pooh and then the next moment I feel numb. And then I cry because I feel numb and it makes me feel unhuman, then the cycle continues.

The way it feels is like a person who wants to scream but can't. I didn't used to feel like this before, I wasn't as lost.. but now I do. Which I guess it's inevitable for someone with so many 12th house planets.

Having a 12th house moon is not a sweet placement for the moon. Im my own experience all it causes is great fear day to day but not even really realizing it because it literally becomes a part of you. Something that you just get used to. Inner voices of doubt, imaging the worst possible things happening, fogginess, and feeling like a person on the outside looking in. It' s like being in a constant dream state, , like where you feel it's real but then something is in you is saying it isn't real.

I've learned that for me to live on in this world I just have to accept that I will continue to live in doubt and fear. Because no matter what, there are very little things people can say to a 12th house moon to make them feel better, and in most cases 12th house people have an act of being invisible to others, and you see that when you reach out for help, but no one takes you seriously til it's too late. We just have to make dew with what we have. That's our fate.

Anyways sorry for the long rant. I just wanted to share my experience as a 12th house moon person, I can't really give a definite answer on who I am. I am getting tired of trying to figure it out. But I hope more 12th house moon people can share their experiences, I don't see that happen too often so please let me know your guys' experiences. (:

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Maybe the point is not to figure it out? Maybe the point is to strengthen the voice within and drown out sensitive "re"-actions to the environment?

Perhaps the point is not so much to "act" separate from feeling but "feeling" the action? The act of "pre-paving" that Abraham Hicks speaks of i.e when in doubt. Don't-Oprah Winfrey.

The negative thoughts/self doubt and fears etc. Is a culmination of the collective psyche you have "collected" through various environments you have associated with.

I say this all the time :Moon is the "soaking" up experience in the chart and subject to conditioning. And this is even more so I believe in the highly impressionable 12th house(that has no boundaries).

So you could be confusing what you have picked up on externally to be part in parcel with what you feel internally. Because once again Pisces easily merges and can find it hard to distinguish themselves from others.

Rule of thumb you can use:if it feels affirming, enlightening, opens you up to an exciting broader perspective. Its YOU.

posted January 29, 2020 02:23 AM            

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Im always so reluctant to give advice on how to deal with a placement I myself have, because I always am not so sure if they can be just like me. But I will give my advice anyway. So this is merely based on my experience from having my moon in the same house.
We do tend to deem things offensively, and it is more so how you say it rather than what you say. It's important to be somewhat timid in your approach to them, not too forceful.
Make them feel like you are not judging them, and can make them feel comfortable. Naturally 12th house people in general are very guarded and reluctant to who they let in.
Treat them like a fish. Slowly reel them in. I was reading a blog a lady wrote about how she has learned to deal with her husband, who has his moon in the 12th house, and was amazed at how well she knew how to deal with this placement. If anyone is interested I could find it and post it here. It's pretty insightful.

Really though I find it surprising he finds you offensive. You have a Cancer moon right? Most Cancer moons I find to be the least offensive to me. I find them hard to be mad at, and they are quite tactful in how they speak to others. Ive rarely been offended by them.
The placements I find that offend me or make it hard for me to open up to them are Sag sun/moon/rising people. I don't know I feel like those people and I don't mesh well. Unless they have Pisces or Cancer placements to soften them up.

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Noted. That was actually good advice.

I think my Moon in Cancer square from Mars in Lib offends him.Add to that Mars-Merc square.Plus I do have Sun in Sag-Jup conj. So yeah!

I think its because I expect more dynamic conversation? Because with a Moon in Pisces friend,this is how we treat each other.We can be 'sensitive abrasive' ie. we ask the tough questions and go 'there'.

The intent is not to harm but to have more open rapport and authenticity.Leave out the "niceties".And it helps us become considerably closer-which i guess is the overall point of the Moon in water.

But he is Virgo Moon and so the energy is different-even when in the 12th house associated with Pisces.He can be pedantic about what i said in a certain context. As well as the words I used etc.

Plus my Pisces Moon friend has Mercury/ Moon/ Mars conj. I have the same aspects in cardinal T-square formation.So i guess there is that similarity therein with us.

posted January 29, 2020 02:25 AM            

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That combo is almost like my crush's combo, minus Libra mars, his is in Pisces. He's a real gem 🥰🥰🥰🥰 you've got good taste LOL

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posted January 29, 2020 03:41 AM            

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I'm still in anxiety and depression due to lack of money in life.

Mars my 7th Lord Conjunct Exalted Saturn in Libra 5th House.
In Cancer Mercury Conjunct NN and Sun in 2nd and 3rd House respectively.
Rx Uranus Opposite my Taurus Asc.
Fortuna Conjunct Venus Conjunct Moon in Gemini 2nd House. These Venus n Moon Opposite Neptune Rx.
Moon Trine Mars, Pluto, Vertex and Jupiter.

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Moon and Mercury are in mutual reception i.e Moon in Gem(ruled by Mercury) and Mercury in Cancer (ruled by the Moon)

For them both to occur in the 2nd house, can make this house of self-worth and self-esteem flunctuate.

I think there is a connection with how one feels about oneself with the money they make. Because money is essentially power(8th house). And the higher your self-esteem is(2nd), the more powerful you feel(8th)

The irony of money is that you will attract it to you WHEN you don't need it. Kinda lke how attractive people get suitors even when they are not "looking".

For you especially, self esteem is important as Taurus rules the 1st house. So you need to get a firm grasp of your own beauty and worth before being able to attract that which you want.

The inconjunct connection with the 6th house of Libra follows suit. We reflect how we feel about ourselves through relationships (Lib)and vice versa.

Mars(7th house Lord) conj Saturn.You may detract others with the way you act. Closed off body language and keeping a distance from others limits social interaction.

At worst you may even attract opportunistic abusers who sense your low sense of self-worth and will "appear" to help you. Only to harm you. Take care of yourself first, the money will come to you when you do.

But it'll not come when you are consistently affirming how "powerless" you are. The 2nd house of money is connected to the 8th house of power axis.

Your 2nd house cusp is in Gemini and 8th house cusp in Sag. Empower your thoughts(Gem) about yourself (2nd) and watch what you say and think about yourself.

When you progressively do this through affirmations or any other medium, your outlook will change. And when that does, you will feel more empowered by many ideas to act on or inspired to do something(Sag).

On positive end,the rewards of lifting your self-esteem means that Mars-Sat conj affecting the 7th could also attract older professionals to you. But that also depends on the energy you transmit from the 1st.

These people will be innovators and be instrumental in motivating you to achieve more for yourself.

Change your mind about you first. Its imperative you do that. And deliberately eliminate or block out things that introduce self doubt. Even if that means regulating your company or what you read and/or exposed to.

You have Cancer Mercury, be mindful of how incredibly debilitating this placement can be when you keep on conjuring up old patterns of thoughts or regrets.

Try and introduce new concepts about yourself and refrain from exposing yourself to people/places that will cause you to "absorb" unwanted energy that you will later regurgitate in your mind.

Cancer rules the stomach. Picture the bull(Tau Asc) grazing in the field and eating grass that is filled with little cracks of dumped bottles. The stomach will be cut and the swallowing uncomfortable.

But the body will do what its biologically trained to do i.e regurgitate this harmful grass over and over until it is completely digested-regardless of the effects. Making the bull look skinny, emaciated and sickly. Who wants a bull(the symbol of strength and health) that looks like that?

Cancer Merc is like this. It is only an instrument of service (Mercury).It can be indiscriminate if not properly trained. Absorbing and soaking up everything good OR bad.Even if it's to its detriment.

Now picture the same bull grazing on luscious grass.It will consume the grass & regurgitate the same way as formerly explained.

But what does this mean? The nutrients are flung back/forth to the appreciative mouth over and over again until finely digested. What a happy,healthy sturdy bull that is. And very attractive too.

posted January 29, 2020 03:45 AM            

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Yes, I thought about the Gem energy, later on. But that didn't always work for me. I was extremely socially phobic, and it took a lot for me to trust people at all.

He and I have Mercury conjunct Mercury. I think that's a big part of it. He sometimes feels compelled to talk to me, too.

I also just talk now, because I have to make sure that I don't backslide, no matter what is going on. I was agoraphobic for years, didn't see many people - the internet helped me to make friends, and I flourished for a while, until someone started harassing me online, and then harassment and more started at home. Now I need to leave the house when I'm stressed, and I sometimes talk too much when I'm trying to stave off anxiety, or a depressing feeling.

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Phobias are a Virgo-Pisces energy. It could be that Gemini(through the associated ruler of Merc) is pulling from Virgo energy.

posted January 29, 2020 03:47 AM            

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Moon is in my 4th house. I am a homebody. well let me explain. I like to go out and having fun but If I am not I am comfortable staying at home (My friend cannot stand to be by herself at home) I read some book, watch some movie or sleep But again my life is very "on a go". so I get tired of driving or socializing often. So my home became a refuge for me. Once my baby spend 4 days with her dad. and I stayed at home all 4 days!!!! no outside interactions (except from the phone calls from my little one) I enjoyed this hermit life while it lasted.
did DYI mani/pedi, some hair/face masks, long bathes, little bit of red wine. Having said that. I think I am dual person. I love staying home but I also like going out but no more than 2 times a month.

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posted January 29, 2020 04:03 AM            

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For self, having in the Moon in the 2nd House has corresponded with changeability, and a general tendency towards material lack, and some insecurity, in the areas of life regarding personal finances and resources. This is something that Saturn also being there, strengthens and intensifies the pattern of.

But with Moon ruling the 12th, and Jupiter cusping into the 2nd as well and trining the ruler of the 2nd (Mercury) so closely, the attitudes, perceptions, views towards personal resources, what I value, etc, has been very infused by spiritual perceptions, experiences, intuitions.

Basically, for the most part, I view these in a similar manner as did the teacher Yeshua. Of not much import, UNLESS one is using such for the greater good/service to others. In my view, for self, that would be the only reason to attract or amass wealth/material abundance beyond basic necessities. In other words, I value the inner state of things far more than the outer state.

With that said, I do sometimes get a bit stressed out by lack of resources, and getting close to not having enough to pay for bills, etc., or not having extra for things like traveling.

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The stress of not being able to meet everyday responsibilities is both Moon & Sat combined imo.

The two are archetype opposing energies.Moon believes in hoarding and Saturn believes in being minimalistic.

There is guilt in having "too much" on one hand.And then fear of having too little on the other.

Is there perhaps a fear of judgement by the larger society if you were to amass wealth? This is also highlighted by the Saturn-Moon opposition archetype present in your 2nd house i.e the more you take(Moon)the less you become(Saturn) - Sarah Mclachlan " World on Fire"

Balance is needed ofcourse. But I wonder if changing your mind about what "wealth" means may help in attaining that equilibrium?

I felt the same about money.That it had to be for the good of others. So i would fee guilt when i had "too much".

I even had extreme feelings about it i.e Venus rules the 2nd and conj Sat in Scorp. But Chiron is also there in Tau with NN in Gemini.

I have learned that i can't be poor enough /modest enough to help the world. Self -denial is not a way to help the world as it is(ironically) through denying myself that I deny others.

Nothing is wrong with having stuff and money. The question is the deed that is sponsored with what you have. That defines the good people from others.

What good is a good woman when her heart is pure and means to help those who need it, but has no means to do it?She cannot empower others because she herself remains unresolved.

Only self-empowered and rich people can truly transform the lives of others.Not necessarily only through material wealth but through resources.

If you want to help people, get rich(Rich Dad,Poor Dad book).For it is the rich people that are the decision-makers and impact the "little" people more tangibly than those who have the best intentions but not the means.

posted January 29, 2020 04:57 AM            

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Originally posted by StoneMoon:
You totally nailed this. Cap moon, ex husband is a Cancer Moon. We were at complete odds and he felt I always focused on the negatives.

My daughter and I struggle too. She's not a Cancer, actually a double Gemini Sun Moon in the 10th. She says my parenting voice is condescending and cold. She feels I move too quickly in to parenting mode and don't spend enough time celebrating the good. She's a teen, but usually very eloquent and wise in her words. She much prefers her Cancer dad's mode of expression. But he's about 2% of parenting and 98% lovable, affectionate, "let's have fun" party dad. She sees me as 98% parenting, 2% the other.

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Its easy to be a great parent when you assign the discipline to someone else. Your role is sort of like the "default" Uncle. No heavy duty responsibilities. So that's not fair.

The foundation of a house does not get as much praise as the bricks and mortar. But upon whom is this house built? It is easy to forget/overlook that without the foundation, the house would not be able to stand.

Cap represents 10th house Sat energy.Sat goes out into the world to "get" stuff. The big motivation to do that is always home (Can /4th). This is why they do what they do i.e to show in a tangible way through things/ money/structure etc.that they care.

It is not just reputation (contrary to popular belief) as that forms part of the career. But the Cap wants to be "useful" in a practical way to those they hold dear.

Being a Cap Moon is sort of a double edged sword.Do you ignore rules and shaky structure which is necessary for sturdiness in favour of "getting along"?

Or do you become more stringent in having a strong structure and robust framework with the result of being called a b*** or an a**** for your hardball stance? No easy answer.

I have regrettably called some ex Cap Moons both of the above btw And it was because of pure frustration of trying to get them to "feel" and let their guard down once in a while.

Cap is Cardinal and is not fixed earth.This means it is dynamic and can change if it sees the benefit of the long term.Well Cap Moon, here it is;

I am not saying that "turn" and be a Cancer. That's not possible. I don't want any Caps to do this. I was(still am) attracted to you guys for the reason that you are Cap.

But give credit where it is due. And make it count. Make it a showstopper. Because the heavy influence of your Saturnine energy goes much,much further than Cancer.

You can forget a Cancer insult. But you remember and even internalize a Caps praise (because it is so long in coming that you believe it sincere). Consider that when dealing with your daughter.

She will not recall (when older) going to school with new clothes, backpack or "things" you got her.She will recall HOW you spoke to her and HOW that made her FEEL.

Were the bils paid?Did you pay for her dancing classes? Is she in school on time? Thats the foundation.As I said earlier,nobody remembers that.

But she will recall you watching her recital, recall you picking her up from school to go for ice cream and bonding etc.These are memories she is collecting to regurgitate and salivate on when she is older & you are no more.Remember that.

All of us appreciate your diligence Cap Moon We really do. This is what makes you guys so fantastic and effective.

But you'd do well to give the "emotional" stuff more weight. You really,really should. As that is all that remains all in all in the long-run.

Children don't care how rich or poor they are.Not to say that they'll enjoy living in abject poverty and as parent you should do nothing. No.

But what I am saying is that they care if they are adored. They care that you care and SHOW them affection in thought,word and deed. This is what they recall about you as a parent.

#Recall Sex and the City (the 2nd movie) when Miranda (Cap Moon) went to see her son's recital? And how she always used to miss them due to business obligations?

See how wonderfully suprised her son was? This is the stuff kids recall as adults.Not the business contracts you had to close to provide for them.

Even though these contracts/structure was NECESSARY for you to provide for them, its background music for them. What counts is that you were there

Metaphorically speaking,the archetype Moon in Cap hires a a competent governess for her children. She wants what is best for them. They don't know her touch. She forgets that SHE is what is best for them. They recall that they didn't know her as loving at all. Purpose defeated.

Archetype Cancer Moon wants wants what is best for her children. She is convinced that she IS what is best for them.And so she gives ALL of herself to them. Even to the point of excess.They know her touch,they feel her inside long after she is dead and gone.

posted January 29, 2020 05:20 AM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
I'm a life path 9.

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Hey,so am I.

@GalacticCoreExplosion

I think its associated Mars rulership ties into the "beginning" and "end" cycle of Aries /Scorpio.The young soul(Aries) and the old soul (Scorpio)

Mars also represents ending/death and fiery destruction Etc.This due to its traditional association with Scorpio.

Add to that the entry into the unknown turf of the spirit realm.And anything "unknown" is greeted with the sword & shield of Mars.No?

Its manifestation is not the same ofcourse. The Mars ruling the lifepath 9 is (atleast when speaking metaphorically)the last point of evolution before returning to source (which is the number 0).

posted January 29, 2020 10:33 AM            

"The negative thoughts/self doubt and fears etc. Is a culmination of the collective psyche you have "collected" through various environments you have associated with.
I say this all the time :Moon is the "soaking" up experience in the chart and subject to conditioning. And this is even more so I believe in the highly impressionable 12th house(that has no boundaries).
So you could be confusing what you have picked up on externally to be part in parcel with what you feel internally. Because once again Pisces easily merges and can find it hard to distinguish themselves from others.
Rule of thumb you can use:if it feels affirming, enlightening, opens you up to an exciting broader perspective. Its YOU.
If it causes you to close up, hide, become confused, fearful and "reactive" etc. It comes from outside of you. Detach quickly!"