posted March 26, 2020 10:24 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
But that just shows that people shouldn’t be going back to work here, or going to church, doesn’t it?

My anxiety spiked again earlier. I’m going to ignore reality for a while. I made the mistake of eating, so I feel sick.

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I personally support his decision for people to go back to work mid April as people already are hurting and things are spiraling out of control, that check that is arriving in the mail 3 weeks from now will only help to some extent and not making money and been able to pay your bills has serious consequences too specially when it happens in a mass scale, too many people have lost their jobs. There is a delicate balance that needs to be achieved in this, this whole thing was about not over-flooding the hospitals not about shutting down society permanently and destroying people's ability to survive.

I get though that you are wondering if the shut down should last longer than mid April.

posted March 26, 2020 11:23 PM            

People need to work to support themselves and this crisis is reflecting that vulnerability in the system. In the midst of a serious crisis, can people still support themselves or do they need to depend on their employer/boss/etc for their income? Something related to the monetary system is being challenged here by Uranus in Taurus.

After all, in the United States, for example, housing is more expensive than ever, not everyone can afford healthcare, and not everyone can afford medication for the things they need to be treated for - even people with jobs. I've spoken to people who have to work through crippling mental health conditions and it's taken a severe toll on their mental health, but they have to work anyway in order to survive.

posted March 27, 2020 03:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Lerena:
More on Uranus in Taurus. It's another astrological factor here.

People need to work to support themselves and this crisis is reflecting that vulnerability in the system. In the midst of a serious crisis, can people still support themselves or do they need to depend on their employer/boss/etc for their income? Something related to the monetary system is being challenged here by Uranus in Taurus.

After all, in the United States, for example, housing is more expensive than ever, not everyone can afford healthcare, and not everyone can afford medication for the things they need to be treated for - even people with jobs. I've spoken to people who have to work through crippling mental health conditions and it's taken a severe toll on their mental health, but they have to work anyway in order to survive.

I'm not sure what the solutions are. I only know that the system is breaking down and the current situation with the corona virus is exposing a weakness in it.

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posted March 28, 2020 06:51 PM            

Joan McEvers and Marion March introduced the idea of latent or underlying viral infection with Pluto in the 1st house, so I was familiar with this, but not thinking as clearly as I'd like lately.

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posted March 28, 2020 10:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
A correction/modification of what I said previously here about Neptune being significator of microbes. I think that's a conflation of microbes with microscopic particles (chemicals). I just consulted The Rulership Book. Pluto is listed as the lone entry (in parentheses) for microbes, and it is the lone entry for viruses too.

Joan McEvers and Marion March introduced the idea of latent or underlying viral infection with Pluto in the 1st house, so I was familiar with this, but not thinking as clearly as I'd like lately.

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posted March 29, 2020 04:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Gemmi:
Coming back to Neptune’s role here, I personally don’t think it is a factor contributing to the pandemic. I would rather see the sextile: Neptune in Pisces to the stellium in Capricorn as a way and chance to limit the spread of the virus and its negative consequences. A sextile brings opportunity and ease, it’s a mitigating factor.

Neptune’s role here might mean that compassion, seclusion and some sort of sacrifice might stop the virus and save health and lives of other, mostly elderly people (represented by the stellium in Capricorn). Even if not everybody is affected in the same way, and young people are mostly protected, we should show compassion and think about those vulnerable. This is really what Neptune here is all about.

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I like this. Yes, a lot of people are doing what's best for the rest of society, not just themselves.

posted March 29, 2020 01:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemmi:
Coming back to Neptune’s role here, I personally don’t think it is a factor contributing to the pandemic. I would rather see the sextile: Neptune in Pisces to the stellium in Capricorn as a way and chance to limit the spread of the virus and its negative consequences. A sextile brings opportunity and ease, it’s a mitigating factor.

Neptune’s role here might mean that [b] compassion, seclusion and some sort of sacrifice might stop the virus and save health and lives of other, mostly elderly people (represented by the stellium in Capricorn). Even if not everybody is affected in the same way, and young people are mostly protected, we should show compassion and think about those vulnerable. This is really what Neptune here is all about. [/B]

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Good analysis, but what do you make of Neptune opposing Virgo, the traditional sign of health?

Neptune is not all love and compassion. Each planet has a dark and a light side. the dark side of Neptune is that the ocean has taken countless lives throughout human history. Neptune is pretty good at disguising its dark side and when it hits you with hard aspects, delusion (sounds like deluge-flooding, doesn't it?) can be cruel when reality sets in.

I think Neptune will be confusing health matters for a while and I do not rule out yet another pandemic after Coronavirus is over, until Neptune has left Pisces.

And how do you account for travel (Sagg) and commerce (Gemini) being severely affected in this crisis? Isn't due to the squares Neptune in Pisces is making to those signs? Surely we cannot blame Pluto or Saturn or Jupiter in Capp for this.

posted March 29, 2020 02:16 PM            

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I think Neptune will be confusing health matters for a while and I do not rule out another pandemic after Coronavirus is over, until Neptune has left Pisces.

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I agree, both sides of Neptune are manifesting, the compassionate side but also the FOG/Confusion/What is reality versus fantasy side? specially in the context of information and understanding this virus. Neptune's power can be used and channeled through hope or fear (faith in hope or faith in fear) and cappy is cautious and likes to side in the side of caution but the question is are we finding that balance between healthy fear/caution and unhealthy fear? IDK, is an ongoing question I keep wondering about but with all this information that gives us this foggy mistrusting feeling is hard to know truly.

Come to think of it, Tr Neptune is on my 3H so at least this is how the transit is impacting me in the context of this global crisis, making me feel I can't trust fully information on this and making me feel unclear about whether this is been handled well or not.

This brings me to the media. Even if this thing is truly something that deems extreme caution on a global level bc of how freaking contagious it seems to be and all the unanswered questions about this virus I can't help but reflect on the media, both Mainstream and Non-Mainstream and how inevitably we are humans and our own negativity bias influences how we deliver information!

Let me explain, I don't want the media to lie to us but how we deliver information is something we need to really reflect on a collective level. There is a lot of catastrophic thinking in how information is been delivered. What about instead saying "hey the economy will be bad for a while but we will figure this out as a society and help each other through this and somehow come out of it stronger and good will come out of this" ect. You get my point? I have to ABSORB the fear and catastrophic thinking of the person delivering the news and that gets transferred unto me and how I digest the information energetically and subconsciously and how I then speak to others about it and then it just spreads (that is neptune in the context of power and information and the impact of how information is delivered and received). There is huge power in how we deliver information.

This been said if I have Neptune in the 3H the US has neptune in the 3H right now bc we have the same angles/house cusps.

posted March 29, 2020 02:30 PM            

I feel the media in the US is dominated by the shadow side of pisces and does not deliver news in a virgo style way, the media here likes to spread fear and get people to react emotionally to the news and NOT rationally. Just look at the last 4 years with Trump how the Media never delivers news in an objective manner but always in a way that will cause a lot of extreme emotions and division and straight up to put him down and undermine him.

posted March 29, 2020 03:17 PM            

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impending collapse of the system as we know it. the power of the working class is brought to light. the beginnings of a revolution and we didn't even have to do anything to start it.

Uranus in Taurus square Saturn in Aqua

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Taurus is the natural ruler of the 2H.

Saturn in Aquarius is falling in the 2H in the USA chart.

Pluto is going to go through its Pluto return in the next few years (US has Pluto in Cappy at 27d) and pluto rules the 8H.

The 2H/8H axis are been highlighted.

Industries that are no longer necessary will pass away and part of this laying off people is about this! What are business out there that have out lived their purpose and that need to pass away and be re-born as something different such as factories so we build more our own stuff and rely less on other countries for essentials.

posted March 29, 2020 04:30 PM            

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I think Neptune will be confusing health matters for a while and I do not rule out yet another pandemic after Coronavirus is over, until Neptune has left Pisces.

And how do you account for travel (Sagg) and commerce (Gemini) being severely affected in this crisis? Isn't due to the squares Neptune in Pisces is making to those signs? Surely we cannot blame Pluto or Saturn or Jupiter in Capp for this.

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Good points. But Neptune has been transiting Pisces for more than 8 years now and is basically doing nothing new in the sky.
Being in Pisces it is making squares/opposition to other mutable signs but there are no planets there at the moment it could make aspects to.
Neptune in Pisces had many other chances since 2012 to mess things up when it was forming adverse aspects to planets transiting other mutable signs: like to Jupiter (transiting Gemini in 2012/13, then Virgo in 2015/16 or Saggi in 2019) or to Saturn (transiting Saggi in 2015-2017). Now Neptune only forms this sextile to Capricorn stellium, a soft, auxiliary influence.

If Neptune formed adverse aspects to other planets transiting mutable signs I would see it as a culprit. But since it is doing basically nothing, I personally don’t think it is a potent factor here.

I know tr Neptune can do a lot of damage as I have many planets in Virgo and Gemini that tr Neptune has already opposed or squared since 2012. I just came out of the last one - a horrible opposition from Neptune to my Virgo Sun (17 deg) in the 1st house. It did bring me fatigue and allergy reactions difficult to pin down but not health problems of this kind... We are dealing with something extremely potent, therefore I would sense it is more a Pluto/ Saturn thing.

posted March 29, 2020 04:52 PM            

Ironically this is one of the big reasons why people voted for Trump bc of distrust in the media and every time the media is biased towards him people want to vote for him more.

Journalism needs to be put in check and it has it coming for many years now and its reaching a turning point.

"News media take losing streak into 2020

The journalism industry has much in common with the NFL’s Cincinnati Bengals. Both had horrendous seasons in 2019 and have disintegrating fan bases. The Bengals, fortunately, get a No. 1 draft pick for their futility. The news media get no such reward for ineffectiveness. The journalism world just keeps digging a deeper credibility hole, seemingly unable to generate the professionalism that citizens demand and the nation surely needs.

Some corners of the journalism industry still strive to serve the mission of holding the powerful accountable and providing for the information needs of a democracy. The Washington Post’s extensive investigation of failings in Afghanistan is evidence of such work. Reporters in small-town America routinely cover city council meetings and school boards, all for little pay and prestige. Such work often goes unappreciated as it is overwhelmed by the higher-profile journalistic blunders made by big media in corporate towers on the East Coast.

Media credibility has declined steadily for the last 20 years, and journalism’s recent performance won’t turn that trend around. News consumers are more likely to remember journalism’s missteps than its successes. Sadly, the journalism industry made too many high-profile blunders in 2019, and those mistakes became engrained in the public assessment.

Frantic, misguided coverage of the Covington Catholic students in the nation’s capital last winter was a terrible way to start the media year. That was quickly followed by more media frenzy covering the ridiculous Jussie Smollett situation which, amazingly, was taken seriously and garnered much more space on the news agenda than was warranted.

The Mueller investigation was characterized by rampant speculation and few facts until the report was released in mid-April, at which time the media allowed party spin-lines to dominate coverage before largely dropping the matter as yesterday’s fashion. Then there was the New York Times changing a headline in response to the social media mob. MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell had to retract a report that Donald Trump once obtained loans co-signed by Russian oligarchs. ABC used video from a Kentucky gun range in its reporting of Turkish battles in Syria with the Kurds.

Coverage of the Democratic presidential candidates has been devoid of depth or policy analysis, but long on exaggerated treatment of flimsy polls and vacuous televised “debates.” Impeachment news has demonstrated how easy it is for partisan politicians on the left and right to snooker the media into reporting party talking points. Non-nuanced impeachment coverage has been characterized by scattered facts and wishful thinking. It has served largely to make the public confused and angry, while opportunistic politicians grandstand to raise their national profiles.

The problem here is that these journalistic snafus are not just mistakes caused by human frailty. They are the kinds of blunders created when journalistic culture breaks away from the culture of its audience. Careless and needless mistakes happen when accountability and accuracy are devalued in favor of pushing ideological high-horses or generating shrill headlines to get clicks and ratings.

Objectivity, proportion and fairness are valued by news consumers. Citizens can sort out for themselves what to make of the information they receive from the media. They don’t want to be worked — or lectured to — by a news industry that increasingly mixes reporting with agenda-pushing. Socio-political analyst G.K. Chesterton warned the public 100 years ago that journalists think they are smarter than the public for whom they report, which eventually leads to journalism becoming “barbaric and unintelligible.”

A Rasmussen Reports survey this fall found that almost two-thirds of Americans are “angry at the media.” An Economist/YouGov poll reported by Ballotpedia indicates that 41 percent of Americans consider the media either unfriendly to or an enemy of the American people. Regular citizens of today are declaring that the journalism establishment no longer serves their needs. Executives in the news industry should start listening.

Legendary ABC anchor Frank Reynolds went live on the air in March 1981 to broadcast the assassination attempt on President Reagan. Reynolds reported some information that later turned out to be incorrect, at which point Reynolds became visibly upset on air and demanded of the producers and reporters, “Let’s get it nailed down … let’s get it right.” Reynolds’ insistence should become part of every national newsroom’s culture.

The journalism industry must look deep inside itself to understand why the public has turned on it and take steps to reestablish a mission that fits with public expectations. Otherwise, the industry will continue its insane descent into self-destruction. With the upcoming national election, deep societal divisions, and dangerous international conditions, the year 2020 would be a great time for the news industry to begin its reinvention."
http://thehill.com/opinion/technology/476470-news-media-take-losing-streak-into-2020

posted March 29, 2020 04:57 PM            

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Actually Trump's SUN opposite MOON squares Tr NEPTUNE in the 3H in the USA's CHART! which is activating the pisces interception.

Can we let that sink in...

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What do you make of it?

And did you notice that Neptune in Pisces is also squaring Trump's natal Uranus? Being unpredictable and rash will not benefit him right now.

posted March 29, 2020 05:01 PM            

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Good points. But Neptune has been transiting Pisces for more than 8 years now and is basically doing nothing new in the sky.
Being in Pisces it is making squares/opposition to other mutable signs but there are no planets there at the moment it could make aspects to.
Neptune in Pisces had many other chances since 2012 to mess things up when it was forming adverse aspects to planets transiting other mutable signs: like to Jupiter (transiting Gemini in 2012/13, then Virgo in 2015/16 or Saggi in 2019) or to Saturn (transiting Saggi in 2015-2017). Now Neptune only forms this sextile to Capricorn stellium, a soft, auxiliary influence.

If Neptune formed adverse aspects to other planets transiting mutable signs I would see it as a culprit. But since it is doing basically nothing, I personally don’t think it is a potent factor here.

I know tr Neptune can do a lot of damage as I have many planets in Virgo and Gemini that tr Neptune has already opposed or squared since 2012. I just came out of the last one - a horrible opposition from Neptune to my Virgo Sun (17 deg) in the 1st house. It did bring me fatigue and allergy reactions difficult to pin down but not health problems of this kind... We are dealing with something extremely potent, therefore I would sense it is more a Pluto/ Saturn thing.

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My instinct from the start is that Saturn conjunct Pluto and then jupiter and mars joining are the culprits in line with AIDS epidemic that coincided with saturn conjunct pluto 40 years ago but there is something Neptunian about this too but it has to do more with information and the media IMO than about the spread of the disease itself.

Except for your input on how this is playing in the context of Neptune responding with compassion to crisis and Neptune originally sextiled saturn conjunct pluto when this took off. There is also Uranus semi square neptune playing out in this, not just this lovely sextile. I feel both the positive side of neptune and negative side of neptune are playing a role

posted March 29, 2020 05:06 PM            

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The media is not the problem. Our own journalists here in Ohio, said they were stating the facts, that they don’t set out to scare people.

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posted March 29, 2020 05:07 PM            

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What do you make of it?

And did you notice that Neptune in Pisces is also squaring Trump's natal Uranus? Being unpredictable and rash will not benefit him right now.

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posted March 29, 2020 05:08 PM            

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Good points. But Neptune has been transiting Pisces for more than 8 years now and is basically doing nothing new in the sky.
Being in Pisces it is making squares/opposition to other mutable signs but there are no planets there at the moment it could make aspects to.
Neptune in Pisces had many other chances since 2012 to mess things up when it was forming adverse aspects to planets transiting other mutable signs: like to Jupiter (transiting Gemini in 2012/13, then Virgo in 2015/16 or Saggi in 2019) or to Saturn (transiting Saggi in 2015-2017). Now Neptune only forms this sextile to Capricorn stellium, a soft, auxiliary influence.

If Neptune formed adverse aspects to other planets transiting mutable signs I would see it as a culprit. But since it is doing basically nothing, I personally don’t think it is a potent factor here.

I know tr Neptune can do a lot of damage as I have many planets in Virgo and Gemini that tr Neptune has already opposed or squared since 2012. I just came out of the last one - a horrible opposition from Neptune to my Virgo Sun (17 deg) in the 1st house. It did bring me fatigue and allergy reactions difficult to pin down but not health problems of this kind... We are dealing with something extremely potent, therefore I would sense it is more a Pluto/ Saturn thing.

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Those same questions you asked yourself, I had also asked myself.

Yes, I agree, if there were planets in the squared and opposite signs, we could see clearly what Neptune is doing, but then again, this is Neptune we are talking about. In adverse aspects, it does not necessarily show things clearly until it is too late. It just confuses you. You don't see it coming.

Pluto sneakes up on people because it is the lord of the underworld. But Neptune also sneaks up on people, through fog and confusion. Hard to pinpoint. Hard to contain. It is very powerful in Pisces. Even when it doesn't seem to be doing anything.

posted March 29, 2020 05:09 PM            

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What do you make of it?

And did you notice that Neptune in Pisces is also squaring Trump's natal Uranus? Being unpredictable and rash will not benefit him right now.

Trump has Uranus trine Jupiter AND conjunct NN, which is an aspect that he has been able to use to further himself, but with Neptune squaring said Uranus, I think that ship has sailed.

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You do realize he doesn't make decisions unilaterally, he has an entire team he depends on, he gathers data and makes a decision with the input that others give and then follows his instincts, he likes to delegate, I feel this is fairly obvious about him even if you havent watched the apprentice. If you watched him on The Apprentice and how he meets with a team and makes a decision as a team you would know how he operates.

His 3H is ruled by Venus which conjuncts Saturn and fall in his 11th house, he does not make decisions alone or impulsively, he takes his time making decisions and hears out his whole team. Add he has mercury in the 11H too. I knew this about him observing many seasons of the apprentice which match his chart as I just pointed out but I feel you can tell this about him even if you didn't watch his show.