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posted March 21, 2020 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is there relief to be found among the planets?? I can see how the planets transit but it's all kinda "above my head" how to interpret everything!
I don't want the thread closed so maybe we can just keep it purely astrological and perhaps find something to look forward to

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posted March 21, 2020 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemmi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, we all knew that Saturn-Pluto conjunction could bring something big. I personally thought there might be a new financial crisis similar to the one we had in 2008. But I really didn't expect THIS coming.

On the positive side, the Saturn-Pluto conjunction is fading as the planets are now separating.
But as Saturn will turn retrograde it will become closer to Pluto again later this year. It won't come close enough though to form the perfect conjunction (0 deg), I think the planets will stay 3 deg or something apart.

I am now worried about tr Mars which is about to conjunct Pluto on 23 March and later Saturn. This does not sound good...
Mars here might mean that either countries will take more radical and direct measures to fight the pandemic OR that the virus itself will be more aggressive and will affect even more people.

I hoped that Jupiter in the mix would bring some relief but it does not seem to be the case. It rather enlarged the problems caused by Pluto-Saturn. What's interesting is that 12 years ago in 2008 when the financial crisis started Jupiter was also in Capricorn! So this position is not very favourable and coincides with global upheavals. What could be the reason for it???

!!Please, let's keep this thread purely astrological!! I saw that in some threads on COVID-19 things strayed in very strange directions. I understand that some people have a need to vent but this is an astrology forum after all. It would be useful to have a place to talk about the pandemic only in astrological terms to better understand what is going on.

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posted March 21, 2020 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Transit Neptune has just completed going through the first half of his favorite home, Pisces. Now it has matured as it is going through the second half.

We talk about COVID as being a Capricorn phenomenon, and yes, it has heavy capricorn influences, but one cannot deny the input of Neptune in all of this.


Opposing Virgo, Neptune in Pisces has destabilized all things that fall under health. To tell the truth, our health system was bankrupt before COVID. We all knew it, but we didn't have the courage or insight or willingness to do something about it.

Neptune in Pisces squaring Gemini and Sagg: commerce and travels have finally been impacted.

On the positive, Neptune in Pisces does sextile Capricorn, the sigh of big business, old people and institutions. This could mean that the way out of current predicament is to develop more compassion and a sense of oneness with each other on an institutional level.

Let's not forget Uranus entering Taurus. This is an easy transit for Taurus who craves and enjoys stability. Uranus there shakes up our ideas of stability and safety. Uranus invited us, nay, forces us to rethink things and situations, and find new ways to do things and new ways to be.

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posted March 22, 2020 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I definitely feel saturn conjuct jupiter and pluto in capricorn is playing a big role bc JUPITER expands and multiples what it touches and represents abroad highlighting how this is an issue that has spread worldwide but I love Belage's insight that Neptune is probably also playing a role in this too. Neptune does rule medicine after all and infectious diseases and like Belage mentioned in another thread there is something neptunian about this whole thing, how is so vague and confusing, even how it started is vague and not clear and I will add that Neptune's shadow side is fear imo and we are facing on a collective level whether we will feed into the fear or have faith instead, perhaps a balance of healthy fear and faith is what is needed to get out of this ultimately.

I love Charlie the idea of trying to figure out any positive transits that are coming up that can help alleviate this.

Saturn entered Aquarius last night and I love that aquarius aries point energy, it makes me feel hopeful personally but yes this means saturn is squaring uranus, things will be disrupted BUT ORDER comes after CHAOS so if you look at it this way this could be positive news saturn entering aquarius.

Disruption of the previous order (saturn in cappy) to create a new order (saturn retros and returns to cappy around May).

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posted March 22, 2020 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pluto rules death and at some point both Saturn and Mars were conjuncting Pluto which means Pluto was afflicted then you add that JUPITER which multiples and expands what it touches joined this stellium in cappy and we have a global pandemic explosion.

As for Neptune's role. I do know that the first record of person infected dates back to December 1 2019, this day Tr Saturn was sextile Neptune. Jupiter that day was at a crisis degree, in Sagitterious at 29 degrees. That day Tr Jupiter in Saggy at 29 degrees was conjuncting Pholus in Cappy at 1 degree, pholus means turning point so a crisis leading to a turning point.

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posted March 22, 2020 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I definitely feel saturn conjuct jupiter and pluto in capricorn is playing a big role bc JUPITER expands and multiples what it touches and represents abroad highlighting how this is an issue that has spread worldwide but I love Belage's insight that Neptune is probably also playing a role in this too. Neptune does rule medicine after all and infectious diseases and like Belage mentioned in another thread there is something neptunian about this whole thing, how is so vague and confusing, even how it started is vague and not clear and I will add that Neptune's shadow side is fear imo and we are facing on a collective level whether we will feed into the fear or have faith instead, perhaps a balance of healthy fear and faith is what is needed to get out of this ultimately.

I love Charlie the idea of trying to figure out any positive transits that are coming up that can help alleviate this.

Saturn entered Aquarius last night and I love that aquarius aries point energy, it makes me feel hopeful personally but yes this means saturn is squaring uranus, things will be disrupted BUT ORDER comes after CHAOS so if you look at it this way this could be positive news saturn entering aquarius.

Disruption of the previous order (saturn in cappy) to create a new order (saturn retros and returns to cappy around May).


I did some Googling this evening and many astrolgers feel strongly this will be TEMPORARILY over in May and then come back shortly later this year and then vanish Nov/Dec. Most of them were from India and they were talking about the South Node causing this. Can you explain this South Node transit for me?? I suppose they are 1 month behind Western astrology so that would mean transit SN is in Sag according to them (along with all the Cap planets). They are saying that relief will come in Capricorn so that must be Aquarius for us? *is real confused*

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posted March 22, 2020 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by charlie:
I did some Googling this evening and many astrolgers feel strongly this will be TEMPORARILY over in May and then come back shortly later this year and then vanish Nov/Dec. Most of them were from India and they were talking about the South Node causing this. Can you explain this South Node transit for me?? I suppose they are 1 month behind Western astrology so that would mean transit SN is in Sag according to them (along with all the Cap planets). They are saying that relief will come in Capricorn so that must be Aquarius for us? *is real confused*

I would predict that when Pluto and Jupiter are NO Longer conjuncting, say 10 degrees apart that this will be under control in the context of the disease itself. The thing is that for some reason jupiter and pluto are really in sync this year, going retro together ect like inseparable.

The impression I get is that this disease infected the first person when jupiter was at critical degree 29 in saggy while tr saturn was sextile neptune but it started to spread globally when jupiter started to conjunct pluto turning it into global crisis.

It seems tr jupiter conjunct pluto will be very prevalent the year of 2020 and be active until end of year.

Jupiter will enter Aquarius in December 2020 while Pluto will be in cappy at 23 degrees. Perhaps by December 2020 this will be under control. Definitely on January 2021 Jupiter will be over 10 degrees apart from Pluto finally.

Jupiter conjunct Pluto is definitely the highlight of 2020 it seems.

This started in December 2019 with jupiter in saggy at 29 and may end when jupiter enters aquarius december 2020.

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posted March 22, 2020 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Huh my nodal return will happen January 2021.

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posted March 22, 2020 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting enough the US map based on declaration of independence date has PLUTO in CAPPY at 27degrees so in the next few years or so the US will have its dare I say PLUTO return.

US MAP:
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Nation:_USA_No.1

It has pluto in the second house so this huge cappy stellium happening right now is falling in the 2nd house of the US map right now.

Saturn rules the 2nd House of the US map and tr Saturn is on the 2H right now.

With transit Jupiter conjunct Pluto in the second house of the US map I feel this could be a pattern of GREAT LOSS followed by GREAT GAIN potentially so I feel this gives me hope we will rebound from this recent stock crash. With the rising from the ashes theme of Pluto and the protective/lucky factor Jupiter is known for this may indicate we will rebound from stock crash, Jupiter will conjunct Pluto the rest of the year so perhaps the rest of the year we will be recovering from crash. I had a feeling this recovery would last from 6 months to a year so this supports my intuition on this.

Saturn ruling the 2H fits the US tendency to lean more towards conservative values economically and since Saturn is exalted in the 10H the economy of this country is famous and in the front of the lines world wide.

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posted March 22, 2020 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No wonder I relate so much to the values of this country even though I am not from here, my angles and house rulers match the US map angles and house rulers.

AC in Saggy
DC in gemini
IC in Aries
MC in Libra

Add that I have saggy rising with jupiter conjunct Uranus in saggy...

US map has saggy rising opposite uranus!

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posted March 22, 2020 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nomad-monad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In Italy's chart (kingdom 1871, not republic 1946) the Pluto/Saturn conjunction falls in the 4th house and opposes natal Uranus in Cancer.

Shocker...

Neptune conjunct 6th house cusp.

What else?

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posted March 22, 2020 08:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The People Stayed Home

And the people stayed home. And read books, and listened, and rested, and exercised, and made art, and played games, and learned new ways of being, and were still. And listened more deeply. Some meditated, some prayed, some danced. Some met their shadows. And the people began to think differently.

And the people healed. And, in the absence of people living in ignorant, dangerous, mindless, and heartless ways, the earth began to heal.

And when the danger passed, and the people joined together again, they grieved their losses, and made new choices, and dreamed of new images, and created new ways to live and heal the earth fully, as they had been healed.

By: Kitty O'Meara

Beautiful huh? This is going viral...

"It's obvious why this meditative poem has resonated so deeply with people: It inserts the idea of individual agency back into something out of our control, and imagines that the time after this will not only exist—it'll be better than before."

^^Link to article: http://www.oprahmag.com/entertainment/a31747557/and-the-people-stayed-home-poem-kitty-omeara-interview/

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posted March 22, 2020 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by nomad-monad:
In Italy's chart (kingdom 1871, not republic 1946) the Pluto/Saturn conjunction falls in the 4th house and opposes natal Uranus in Cancer.

Shocker...

Neptune conjunct 6th house cusp.

What else?


Good idea to check the Italy chart, Saturn and Pluto are conjuncting widely at this point and out of sign, the tight conjunction is between Mars/Jupiter/Pluto and Jupiter and Pluto are sticking together for most of the year, I feel this started perhaps with saturn conjunct pluto and Jupiter at crisis degree in saggy (at 29) but it expanded and turned more into a global issue with jupiter conjunct pluto, at some point they were all hanging out though...For example, Its this month that the US started to truly react to all this and Jupiter is conjunct Pluto this month.

But yes if for Italy the Cappy stellium is in the 4H and opposing Natal Uranus in Cancer I agree, wow that really fits how this is impacting them as it is impacting a lot their elderly population and is hitting them extra hard bc they were not prepared and did not see this coming, it feels to them like this happened out of the blue (uranus). Add Tr Neptune is conjunct their 6H!

Thanks for adding this to thread!

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1. Microscopic life forms and particulates of chemistry are ruled by Neptune.

The onset of this as a spreading infection outside a local outbreak (January) was synchronous with Neptune semi-square (45°) Uranus, while in declination Neptune (6° south) was in 15° aspect with Saturn (21° south).

2. Pluto as the outermost planet helps set the context for challenges to world economic, health, government infrastructures, especially once Saturn began its conjunction to Pluto in mid-late Capricorn.

Pluto was also parallel the South Lunar Node and Jupiter was conjunct it. Jupiter here is the expansion principle and while in direct motion correlates to the social spread of the contagion.

Jupiter is slowing down in its direct motion and will go Rx May 14 (through Sept 12). That is the time in which the expansion principle turned inward correlates to educated medical and scientific researchers contributing something more useful in dealing with the contagion. Saturn will be Rx for that entire period as well (starting May 10). Only during this Rx period will there be enough critical peer review of the data to sift out facts from fear and begin applying more reason to the problem.

South Node alignment with Pluto, Saturn = karma factor as well as fear issues revisiting from historical plagues, etc.

The Saturn-Pluto factors exacerbated by Jupiter are playing a much stronger role here than the actual contagion. There is a lot of historically based fear generated by the mainstream medical germ theory of disease, which is incomplete and has consistently overestimated its role in solving these infectious diseases. Notice that 85% of Chinese patience with this disease were treated with Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM).

The social distancing, while at least temporarily needed to halt global, and the economic consequences to stock markets, etc, are manifestations of fear in the face of incomplete knowledge, and lack of preparedness = Saturn conjunct Pluto in Capricorn. This was part karma, part reckoning with dystopian fears of past plagues revisiting humanity, part common sense preparedness needing to be updated instead of relying on authoritarianism.

My blog articles on the topic: http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/2020/03/18/80834/ http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/2020/03/20/covid-19-separating-fact-from-fiction-and-speculation/

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posted March 22, 2020 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

However, we cannot ignore that in many countries hospitals are been OVER-RUN and supplies have run out and that Italy is unable to treat anyone that is 60 years old or older bc they are not equipped to treat the amount of people that are getting infected in Italy, something which has not happened in this lifetime to anyone I know, this alone is enough to conclude this is more complicated than the flue bc this has not happened in my life time with other flues that have come out over the years (why start "over-reacting now"?)so this is not happening alone bc people are reacting to past pandemics that they weren't alive to live through or fear taking over. People avoid going to the hospital and tend to say "is just the flue my body can fight this" even in the middle of this I have seeing this happen many times, if people end up going to the hospital is because is bad. These are tangible observations that cannot be denied regardless of information overload that clearly needs to be sorted out.

Loved: "Notice that 85% of Chinese patients with this disease were treated with Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM)."

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posted March 22, 2020 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kannon, Neptune was 15 degrees away from Saturn in declination so they were NOT parallel, why are you bringing up that Neptune was 15 degrees away from saturn in Declination? how is this significant if they ARE NOT parallel or Contra-parallel?

It makes sense that Neptune semi-square Uranus brought this on but pluto is also definitely playing a role as pluto after all rules death and is in a cappy stellium (stelliums builds up energy) with saturn conjuncting it and afflicting Pluto and Jupiter later joining and amplifying its impact. If saturn was aspect neptune through declination as you say while also conjuncting the pluto stellium this is proof they are tied together these two components (e.g. the stellium in cappy and the Neptune semi-square uranus). Both components are playing a role in the spread of the virus.

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posted March 22, 2020 10:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I found a connection between SATURN and NEPTUNE, there is Saturn Septile Neptune aspect that takes place January 19 2019.

January 19 2020 Transit

"Saturn septile Neptune: Inspired by the combination of control and restraint with idealism, caringness and mystical significance; inspired by the idea of self-abnegation in the cause of humanity; able to express this creatively, depending on other aspects."
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrological-aspects/septile-7th-harmonic.php

This septile will happen again exact July 20, 2020 during a new moon in Cancer.

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posted March 22, 2020 10:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The fist recorded case of Coronavirus was on December 1 2019 on this day I see this happening transit wise..

December 2019:
Saturn conjunt Pluto.
Saturn sextile NEPTUNE

January 2020:
Neptune Semi-square Uranus (unexpectedly spreading to other parts of the world)*Kannon pointed this transit out
Saturn conjunt Pluto
Neptune septile Saturn (fork in the road, how we chose to respond to the now global crisis)

March 2020:
Saturn conjunt Pluto
Jupiter starts to conjunct Pluto and joins cappy stellium, making situation escalate further and world starting to really take notice, leaders start to act more aggressively with trying to contain spread, this starts to impact commerce and business more, businesses shut down, people are instructed to stay home.

Septiles are fork in the roads and have to do with character development. Is the 7th harmonic and is a very fated spiritual aspect.

This septile in January may have more to do with a fork on the road in the context of how the world will chose to respond to this crisis and this will impact our character development and spiritual growth collectively and in turn our future.

January 19, 2020
Neptune Septile Saturn 1.03 orb
Saturn conjunt Pluto

^Thoughts: How do we respond to this crisis? Saturn (fear, scarcity thinking, survival mode) or Neptune (faith, kindness and compassion)? Perhaps we chose to respond with Caution (saturn) to serve values connected to Neptune the higher octave of love (universal love, protecting each other, valuing life and the life of one another)?

I feel we chose to respond to crisis with caution but to serve the Neptunian values of universal love, I remember feeling good about this and pleasantly surprised with how the world CHOSE to respond and feeling proud of humanity. Its an aspect that highlights the concern of survival (saturn) but in a collective way (neptune) and the septile is testing us by putting us in a fork in the road and asking us "how are you going to handle this collectively?."

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Kannon, Neptune was 15 degrees away from Saturn in declination so they were NOT parallel, why are you bringing up that Neptune was 15 degrees away from saturn in Declination? how is this significant if they ARE NOT parallel or Contra-parallel?

I did not say they were in parallel. I said quite clearly Saturn & Neptune have been in a 15-degree aspect (of declination) in addition to Neptune's semi-square to Uranus.

Just as a 45-degree semi-square and other odd 15-degree aspects are significant enough to look for in longitude, the 15-degree aspects in declination are significant enough to look for as well. I have thoroughly researched 15-degree aspects in declination for the last few years since Fred Bickum put up his Declinations Aspect Calculator: http://sbastro.com/software.htm

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posted March 23, 2020 12:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree you didn't say they were parallel and I am not saying you did, I am just not familiar with this 15 degree aspect in the context of declinations and was asking about it, I was not aware you could do aspects via declinations, thanks for the link.

This is the first time I come across this concept.

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posted March 23, 2020 06:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sunnya     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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1. Microscopic life forms and particulates of chemistry are ruled by [b]Neptune[/B]

Plus Neptune, Pisces and the 12th house also rule the immune system.

This New Moon now on the 24th is conjunct Chiron... which is a timely one.

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Plus Neptune, Pisces and the 12th house also rule the immune system.

This New Moon now on the 24th is conjunct Chiron... which is a timely one.


12th house rules some kind of confinement, too.

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Plus Neptune, Pisces and the 12th house also rule the immune system.

This New Moon now on the 24th is conjunct Chiron... which is a timely one.


Well the President started to talk about the research out there on treatment and how there are medications that have proven to be effective to treat this. If he removes the red tape for some of these treatments that were used to treat other diseases in the past so they can be prescribed to treat coronavirus then maybe this new moon cojunct chiron is about healing.

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Originally posted by teasel:
12th house rules some kind of confinement, too.

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