posted January 16, 2012 05:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Blind Witch: "Butter or gravy?" Evil Queen: "I would've gone with the gravy." Looks like some of the stories have happy endings at least. I was right about Rumplestiltskin. He turned evil, because he lost his children. And the heart of a child turned him good again.

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Interesting!

My interpretation was that Rumpelstiltskin's descent into evil and madness was caused by loving too much, holding on too much, not facing his fears, and by desperation.

I really don't feel that Rumple is intentionally malicious--at least not at this point. I feel that it's the power that he has which makes him that way; I almost see him as 'possessed'. I think that he was a bit naive about the power of the dark one and that he didn't really think of the consequences beforehand--or else he was so desperate that he didn't care. It's something very fitting, I think, for today: a lot of people are feeling that same sense of desperation with financial/economic issues worldwide, and I've seen so many stories about just how far people will go and what they will do when they are desperate.

Another thing that leaped out to me was that by clinging on to what he loved--his son--he lost what he loved (I can't help but feel that his son did eventually leave him, most likely out of fear of him).

I'm really looking forward to see how Rumple's story plays out. I really hope that he doesn't die/leave the show anytime soon!

Thanks Randall for your interpretation!

posted January 17, 2012 04:44 PM            

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Rumple has already begun to turn good. He asked Emma for her forgiveness.

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True...but was he being sincere? Does he have another secret and more sinister motive? Is this all a part of some master plan or something? Or is he really good/able to change? And if he can change, does that mean that he will still have his power as the Dark One? And if he does retain his power, I wonder if he will face an internal struggle over the temptation to use it for bad vs. a desire to do good. That, I haven't decided yet.

posted January 17, 2012 04:59 PM            

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He was sincere. He asked for no favors or debts. He wanted the children to find their father. I think he wants Emma to break the curse.

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posted January 18, 2012 05:42 PM            

My favourite-Rumplestiltskin. He has the greatest span of potential. He is figure behind the scenes,his motivations are multilayered. However,I don't think he asked for forgiveness because he regreted,he wants Emma close. Also,I don't think he remembers. He is maverick in reading people,but I don't think it goes further,Regina is the only one that remembers. Afterall,he is man of contracts,good at small reading.

The Huntsman... Alas,he was hot,now he is dead. It is never good when hot people die No matter how much I'd love to see him again,he is dead. She crushed his heart to dust. He will probably stay in the story prior to his death. Le sigh.

Emma,Emma,rough around edges,tough,wise,great hair locks,loveeeee her! Love Mary Margaret,too!

Regina/Queen wants what she can't have... I wasn't impressed by her,but her cool outfits redeemed her

I am waiting more on Hopper/Jiminy,and 'What happened to Frederick'. episode

posted January 18, 2012 05:58 PM            

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I disagree. I feel like both he and the Queen remember. It was his spell after all. The Queen came to him.

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I feel like he remembers. If he doesn't actually remember, though, I think that it's also possible that he's figuring a lot of it out. Maybe he didn't remember when it first happened, but I think that he DEFINITELY knows something now.

posted January 18, 2012 06:02 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
In response to RegardesPlatero original question :
I like show's direction of development,it is very fairytale-like,classical presentation of characters and slow building to story's culmination,and think it is very fitting and refreshing-shows today lose the sense in overfervent desire to be 'mysterious' and clever.(result is usually anticlimatic)

My favourite-Rumplestiltskin. He has the greatest span of potential. He is figure behind the scenes,his motivations are multilayered. However,I don't think he asked for forgiveness because he regreted,he wants Emma close. Also,I don't think he remembers. He is maverick in reading people,but I don't think it goes further,Regina is the only one that remembers. Afterall,he is man of contracts,good at small reading.

The Huntsman... Alas,he was hot,now he is dead. It is never good when hot people die No matter how much I'd love to see him again,he is dead. She crushed his heart to dust. He will probably stay in the story prior to his death. Le sigh.

Emma,Emma,rough around edges,tough,wise,great hair locks,loveeeee her! Love Mary Margaret,too!

Regina/Queen wants what she can't have... I wasn't impressed by her,but her cool outfits redeemed her

I am waiting more on Hopper/Jiminy,and 'What happened to Frederick'. episode

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*squee* Rumple/Mr. Gold is my favorite too. Those characters intrigue me. I can't wait to see what happens. I'm also dying to know what Snow White did that made the Queen hate her so much.

I loved the pilot, "The Price of Gold", and "That Still Small Voice" (well, the part with Mr. Hopper's backstory, not the mine stuff so much). Wasn't as in love with "Snow Falls," "The Shepherd", or "The Heart is a Lonely Hunter". Feel like things have gotten back on track with "Desperate Souls" and "True North". "Desperate Souls" was probably my favorite episode so far--the Rumple backstory; the election stuff, to me, was fairly predictable. However, I feel like things are going to start getting even more intense (which I as a Venus in Scorpio LOVE). I'm looking forward to this week's episode!

And yes, the queen DOES have awesome outfits.

Snow White, I find her more interesting than Prince Charming.

I think that the stranger might be The Big Bad Wolf. I'm kinda hoping for that.

posted January 18, 2012 06:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
I disagree. I feel like both he and the Queen remember. It was his spell after all. The Queen came to him.

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No,it is Queen's spell. Besides,he said he doesn't care he loses his memory,all he wants is comfort. She goes to him because he knows outcomes,future. He had power only with the wand. (that we know of,although it is implied that he has powers as the dark one,as demonstrated by Zoso). It could be that his powers are seriously limited,and therefore his desire for the wand.

Regardes,it is good idea!! I thought Dr. could be big bad wolf,because of his gaze to Red Riding Hood. It just screams affair with an older man to me

Maybe,he is the reason for Granny's heartattack... But,I feel he is in the story as Emma's interest.(the stranger)

Btw,have you noticed chemistry between Emma and Graham? I haven't... That kissing was a surprise to me.

I loved Snow Falls,Snow White,the renegade...! Shepherd,no so much,my MC Venus likes the prince,not lamb chasing,bad haircut boy

So far,Desperate Souls is the best,imo. Power comes with price .. This moral is in every bit of this show!

posted January 18, 2012 07:03 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
No,it is Queen's spell. Besides,he said he doesn't care he loses his memory,all he wants is comfort. She goes to him because he knows outcomes,future. He had power only with the wand. (that we know of,although it is implied that he has powers as the dark one,as demonstrated by Zoso). It could be that his powers are seriously limited,and therefore his desire for the wand.

Regardes,it is good idea!! I thought Dr. could be big bad wolf,because of his gaze to Red Riding Hood. It just screams affair with an older man to me

Maybe,he is the reason for Granny's heartattack... But,I feel he is in the story as Emma's interest.(the stranger)

Btw,have you noticed chemistry between Emma and Graham? I haven't... That kissing was a surprise to me.

I loved Snow Falls,Snow White,the renegade...! Shepherd,no so much,my MC Venus likes the prince,not lamb chasing,bad haircut boy

So far,Desperate Souls is the best,imo. Power comes with price .. This moral is in every bit of this show!

Last episode reminded me of Terry Pratchett book about witches... Where one witch says about blind witch ' You know,she is complety misunderstood. She has been building her dream house all of her life,and then some brats come along and eat it'

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In all honesty, the Emma/Graham stuff felt a bit forced to me.

And maybe it's possible that the stranger is BOTH: he could be both an interest for Emma AND the big bad wolf at the same time.

He just has this "bad boy" air to him and I don't know, something about him screams 'wolf' to me--even if he isn't a literal wolf/personification of one, he has this 'predator' air to him (or at least I thought so). Something about him is sinister, though then again, maybe that's what they WANT us to think about him. Hard to say--can't wait for Sunday's episode!

posted January 18, 2012 07:17 PM            

You are right,things are going to be more intense,and dark,because Grimm fairytales are very dark.

posted January 19, 2012 05:14 AM            

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No, the Queen went to Rumple to cast the spell. She visited him when he was locked in the cage by the other spell (which I presume was a ploy by him). He told her it was powerful magic and agreed to it for an undisclosed favor and that he could have a powerful position in the new world. Rumple used his magic to cast the spell...or to allow the Queen to. Rumple keeps his word. He wouldn't reverse the spell on his own. But I feel that he wants Emma to, and he is protecting her.

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No,it was her spell,just she make the wrong sacrifice. Rumple is somebody who knows laws of magic,he offered solution,not magic.

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About the wand, remember it was just to control the Dark One. He (as the beggar) convinced Rumple to kill the Dark One to take his power. Rumple used that power to make all kinds of deals. From past shows, we see he can do most anything (except raise someone from the dead). And the wand now has Rumple's name on it. Hope he hid it well.

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That's dagger. Wand... Fairy Grandmother's wand!

posted January 19, 2012 10:43 AM            

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I still disagree. It was her idea, because Rumple only agreed if he could have a powerful position.

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posted January 19, 2012 11:02 AM            

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We were both right, and we were both wrong. The Queen got the magic from that other witch. But she couldn't make it work. So it wasn't either of them who used their magic. She knew Rumple understood magic well, so he agreed to help her...but always at a price. He told her about sacrifice. And she had to kill the only person who truly loved her--her father.

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She retrieved it from the witch! (Having traded it with her)
The reason she failed because she can't comprehend sentiment of sacrifice,or any good feeling. Horse's heart? And,then she asks why Hansel and Grethel chose their father over her and her riches. She just doesn't get it

posted January 19, 2012 05:05 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Platero,for the stranger,how about... He is that 7 yr old boy who found baby Emma??

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ooh now that would be interesting; I've seen that theory posted too

looking forward to Sunday!