posted January 20, 2012 04:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
I don't think Rumple lost his memory.

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I understand your standing point. But,when he was talking to Evil Queen,there was nothing that would imply that he is not telling everything,regarding the effects of the curse. Furthermore,I think he was aiming at oblivion,because at that point he was already without his son. Could he bear the loss?

Of course,there is the fact that he brought Henry to Regina. How? No one can leave Storybrooke. And only Rumplestiltskin knows child's name- knows Emma. So,there is definetely room for idea that he hasn't lost his memory. And lying that he would lost his memory,certainly fits his taciturn,magically all knowing persona.

Rumplestiltskin said -only that child can save US- which can point to desire to be released from his burden. Just like Zoso,he is able to acknowledge the wanting to break free,so that dark magic doesn't alters the person. He wants happy ending. But,the road to happy ending is quite hard to him,imo.

posted January 20, 2012 05:16 AM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
I understand your standing point. But,when he was talking to Evil Queen,there was nothing that would imply that he is not telling everything,regarding the effects of the curse. Furthermore,I think he was aiming at oblivion,because at that point he was already without his son. Could he bear the loss?

Of course,there is the fact that he brought Henry to Regina. How? No one can leave Storybrooke. And only Rumplestiltskin knows child's name- knows Emma. So,there is definetely room for idea that he hasn't lost his memory. And lying that he would lost his memory,certainly fits his taciturn,magically all knowing persona.

Rumplestiltskin said -only that child can save US- which can point to desire to be released from his burden. Just like Zoso,he is able to acknowledge the wanting to break free,so that dark magic doesn't alters the person. He wants happy ending. But,the road to happy ending is quite hard to him,imo.

I also find very interesting that Henry still hasn't pinned Mr.Gold down. Is he carefully treading around the boy?

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Since you mention Henry, something that I have been thinking about:

The idea has been put out there that Henry is sort of like a narrator--that he fills in the viewer and is a giver of information. He helps the viewer navigate the two worlds. However, is Henry infallible? Is he always right? Can he be wrong? He seems to believe Emma about his dad, so to me this does indicate that he can be wrong about things.

Can he change his mind? He seems to have changed his mind about good not being able to win without resorting to playing dirty, but then again, he also doesn't seem to change his opinion of Mr. Gold.

Speaking of Gold, Henry mentions that Mr. Gold is "even worse" than Regina, but how does he know for sure? After all, Henry is a child, albeit a precocious one: how much does he consider complexities, nuances, and the possibility of someone changing for the better (or worse)? Generally speaking, that's not how kids think and most children would not be inclined to understand those kinds of things.

And, too, I can't help but feel that he will eventually (probably) find out that Emma was lying about his dad: will he turn to the dark side or stop trusting and helping her if that happens?

What started making me think about this was that Henry said in "Desperate Souls" that good can't win unless it stoops to evil's level, yet Emma won the election by standing up to Mr. Gold. However, then again, it was a complete manipulation and setup by Mr. Gold, and she likely would not have won without him. So, it's hard to say whether it was really a case of good winning, or if it was good winning due to machinations of others and not because good is stronger.

Gold himself outright stated that he helped Emma win because it would make it easier for her to grant him the favor that she owes him, but, then again, he did ask for her forgiveness.

Did he really have a change of heart, or is this all part of the game? Mr. Gold did help Emma find the parents of the Hansel and Gretel characters, but for what purpose? Genuine change of heart (which I'm hoping), or all a part of the plan?

While I would love to see Rumple get his happy ending at the end of the series (my ideal end for him--though I doubt that it is realistic--is that he is able to escape being the Dark One without dying and then, as a human again, commits an act of bravery that relieves him of the burden of being branded a coward), and would like to believe that he could achieve redemption for himself, I still am left wondering: what are his true motives?

posted January 20, 2012 06:49 AM            

(just had this thought like two seconds ago)

When Rumple is speaking about how he can't bring back the dead (forgot which episode that was), does anyone think that he tried to use the power of the Dark One to bring back his wife? He did say his wife was 'dead' in "Desperate Souls". Although I interpreted this to mean metaphorically dead (as in, 'dead to him' or having left him never to return), what if he used the dagger to bring her back into his life, and it hadn't worked? What if his son left him too (likely, due to how afraid of Rumple he was), and he tried to use the magic to bring his son back?

As far as I can recall, none of Rumple's deals have been about restoring love that had been lost.

I'm wondering if, when he says that he can't bring back 'the dead', if the dead only means the literal dead (as in deceased persons), or if it can also mean other non-literal forms of 'dead'.

Am also wondering what kind of message this would bring to the show: if it is saying that what has been lost can never be restored, or if a person can seek and find redemption. This is something that I connect to Rumple in general: can his humanity ever be restored (as Rumpelstiltskin; Mr. Gold obviously is human) as well as his good name? Is anything too far gone to be recovered? And even if some things can never be recovered, can a person be redeemed and rebuild himself/herself anew--is it ever too late?

posted January 20, 2012 08:10 AM            

Henry as narrator,very good idea! Of course,he is not infallible,just a kid,but just like you said,precocious,and this in addition to kids' ability to just pick up the truth in air,operating on hunches... (which is something that works so well only in pure children's heart and mind) Regina seems strict,but there is nothing she has done to make us think she doesn't love him. And yet,he says 'she only pretends to love me'. Kids know. They don't rationalize like we do,don't lie to themselves... Also,Emma fooled me,until I saw her change of expression!

Henry denoting that good can't win because good can not play dirty is very perceptive,very. It is question that boggled the mind of philosophers for centuries...! How to react? What to do? Mr.Gold showed that "decent people are easily manipulated". You may not lose hope,but you lose room to act. It is a win-win situation for baddies,because they win also when good one don"t do anything about it. So,I have trust in Henry! I like his relation to Archie,too. It could be that he is too preoccupied with Emma,and Snow,people who are his family,that he put aside his scooping ways. He loves sharing a secret with his mom... It is bonding. He said Mr.Gold is worse that Regina. It is good observation. But,as you said he can't know for sure,and at this stage,it is about sensing,not knowing. My recording crashes on the scene with Mr.Gold and Emma,so I can't fully connect scene with that blank paper?

As for Rumplestiltskin (I can't resist not typing his name in total,lol) and his wife,I think she abandoned him. She seems strong-principled,since cowardy is a deal breaker,and I suppose her disappointment is a equivalent to dying. (I wonder is she a fairytale character ) As for the boy,he could be dead,for good. I can't imagine Rumplestiltskin giving up on him even if the boy was afraid of him. 'My boy is all I have.' That definite push towards dark could be made only by death outcome. And that would explain his actions,when he advises Emma to spend time with her child. 'that's the thing with children..before you know it,you lose them'.

I think he can find redemption. But,can he reclaim human side without dagger in his heart... Based on what I've seen so far,I'd say no. Magic has strict laws,lol!

posted January 20, 2012 08:51 AM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
(I was reluctant to post,out of fear of glitching)

Henry as narrator,very good idea! Of course,he is not infallible,just a kid,but just like you said,precocious,and this in addition to kids' ability to just pick up the truth in air,operating on hunches... (which is something that works so well only in pure children's heart and mind) Regina seems strict,but there is nothing she has done to make us think she doesn't love him. And yet,he says 'she only pretends to love me'. Kids know. They don't rationalize like we do,don't lie to themselves... Also,Emma fooled me,until I saw her change of expression!

Henry denoting that good can't win because good can not play dirty is very perceptive,very. It is question that boggled the mind of philosophers for centuries...! How to react? What to do? Mr.Gold showed that "decent people are easily manipulated". You may not lose hope,but you lose room to act. It is a win-win situation for baddies,because they win also when good one don"t do anything about it. So,I have trust in Henry! I like his relation to Archie,too. It could be that he is too preoccupied with Emma,and Snow,people who are his family,that he put aside his scooping ways. He loves sharing a secret with his mom... It is bonding. He said Mr.Gold is worse that Regina. It is good observation. But,as you said he can't know for sure,and at this stage,it is about sensing,not knowing. My recording crashes on the scene with Mr.Gold and Emma,so I can't fully connect scene with that blank paper?

As for Rumplestiltskin (I can't resist not typing his name in total,lol) and his wife,I think she abandoned him. She seems strong-principled,since cowardy is a deal breaker,and I suppose her disappointment is a equivalent to dying. (I wonder is she a fairytale character ) As for the boy,he could be dead,for good. I can't imagine Rumplestiltskin giving up on him even if the boy was afraid of him. 'My boy is all I have.' That definite push towards dark could be made only by death outcome. And that would explain his actions,when he advises Emma to spend time with her child. 'that's the thing with children..before you know it,you lose them'.

I think he can find redemption. But,can he reclaim human side without dagger in his heart... Based on what I've seen so far,I'd say no. Magic has strict laws,lol!

p.s found little summary,next episode is about Snow and Prince Charming... Oh,my Venus will be death of me,lol Gonna google for the trailer for the new episode.

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I have to go soon, but I'll make a few quick observations first:

--I frequently debate the "does Regina love/care about Henry" question. On the one hand, she named him after her father, whom she loved (killed, but loved). She doesn't seem to emotionally or physically abuse or neglect him. However, did she want to adopt this particular child only because of his connection to Emma? She seems to want to turn him against Emma (such as how she arranged for the information about Emma's past to come out). I have a feeling that she could gain the upper hand--at least for awhile--if Henry finds out the truth about his birth father; if anyone is going to tell him that, it will be Regina. I don't think that Henry is judgmental of Emma at all, but he might be very upset and disillusioned if he finds out (and I think that he will) that she lied to him. I'm anxious to see how this will play out if it happens--if it can be a sort of metaphor for growing up/loss of innocence.

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As for Rumple, I don't think that he gave up on his son, either. I do think that he may have given up hope that his wife would come back, but he seemed so sad when he said that "she is dead": I don't know that I'd go as far as to say that he hated her, but that he had simply resigned himself to the fact that she would never come back.

Personally, I think that the way that she handled the whole situation was understandably one way of seeing it, but, on the other hand, I've often wondered how things would have turned out if she would have instead stood by him--if they would have found a way, together, to help him overcome the cowardice and if he would have been able to restore his good name. I think that their love died: he disappointed her, and she abandoned him because of it. I also wonder, too, if another part of this would be her implied affair, which would also cause love to die.

I also still want to know if Baelfire is really Rumple's son or not--if the soldier and former Dark One who taunted him really meant it when they implied that he was not, or if they were just being cruel and hateful and trying to humiliate him. I could see it going either way.

Maybe, too, those are other layers of meaning behind the utterance, "she is dead". Perhaps if Rumple suspected that she had in fact cheated in addition to abandoning him, he saw no hope there, whereas his son still loved him even after knowing the truth and hearing the accusation that Rumpelstiltskin might not be his biological father. He seemed to fear him after his transformation into the Dark One, but I don't know that I'd argue that his son hated him. He didn't even seem to hate him after learning that Rumpelstiltskin had lied about his mom literally dying: upset, perhaps, and surprised, but he didn't leave him then or hate him. There's something about Baelfire that makes me think that he has a capacity for compassion and understanding. He also seems willing to make the best out of a bad situation--which I see in (a) when he is willing to go and fight and do his duty to the law and (b) when he doesn't seem to judge or hate Rumpelstiltskin, even if he might be afraid of him after his transformation. My guess is that if Baelfire somehow is the one to kill Rumpelstiltskin, he would do it honorably, as a mercy, rather than out of maliciousness.

I also would be curious to know if he ever encountered his wife again after becoming the Dark One, and, if so, what her reaction would have been: would she who so hated cowardice be frightened of him? Appalled? Would she like the changes?

posted January 21, 2012 08:08 AM            

oooooh,good idea,is there more to his son,as part of the story?? And the wife? If he met her,was he lovelorn or full of desire to revenge? The dark magic would definitely bring bad bits to fore. Oh,yes,there is so much about Rumplestiltskin

posted January 21, 2012 08:14 AM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
So far,it seems that Regina wants Emma away because she is 1) insecure 2) territorial. It is the convo between her and Mr.Gold,at the end of epi no 2,that's reasonably revealing. Mr. Gold says,'You know who she is' And Regina previously asks,who is this Emma Stone,how did you find Henry. Convo also implies that Regina paid dearly for that 'bargain',for she doesn't what to make a deal with Mr.Gold any more. We need more pieces.

oooooh,good idea,is there more to his son,as part of the story?? And the wife? If he met her,was he lovelorn or full of desire to revenge? The dark magic would definitely bring bad bits to fore. Oh,yes,there is so much about Rumplestiltskin

His death would be beautiful... *ahem,Venus/Pluto conj*

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LOL about the Venus/Pluto conjunct

at least I have my lovely Libra and Saggy placements to balance things out

Yeah, I was getting all Scorpy there. :-)

*it would be beautiful under those circumstances, more precisely

if he just got like hit by a bus or something, that would be just annoy me

*ONE MORE DAY UNTIL THE NEW EPISODE*!

posted January 21, 2012 08:29 AM            

Just two more days,for me Oh,I have felt FBI-went to record again epi no 5,but the site is down (abc.com does not put all episodes,of at least not chronologically )

posted January 21, 2012 05:51 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Promo no.2 is safe to watch

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just watched three of them...Prince Charming kinda bores me, but I really do like Snow White

posted January 22, 2012 03:44 AM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Oh,don't say that But,his transition from shepherd to prince is remarkable

Snow is very likable character I like how Emma and she are alike!

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Eh, Charming isn't really my type. I wonder if he's a Libra...he seems Libra-ish to me. Torn between two loves, has that kind of 'softness' in his appearance (the actor who plays him is a Sagittarius; wondering, though, if he has a Libra ASC), can be fierce in battle but then also a big sweetie pie with Snow White.

(*speaking of sun signs, any thoughts for these characters? I'm still trying to decide).

In real life, the actors' signs are:

*Emma--Aries
*Snow/Mary Margaret--Gemini
*Rumple/Mr. Gold--Aries
*Evil Queen/Regina--Cancer
*Henry--Gemini
*Jiminy Cricket/Dr. Hopper--Aquarius
*Graham/Huntsman--Taurus
*Ruby/Red Riding Hood--Leo
*Sidney/The Mirror--Taurus
*Kathryn/Abigail--Aries

Is it just me, or do they vaguely look alike too? Not an exact resemblance, but enough alike in the face to be able to pass for being related.

And yeah, she is very likable. Mary Margaret is too.

I feel bad for her. She was kind of led on by David. Yeah, I know that he's trying to do the right thing (ethically) and remain faithful to his wife, which is honorable. However, I'm starting to wonder if she and Regina didn't have something to do with him being in a coma--like if they set up the circumstances under which he came into it.

They did say, after all, that his marriage was on the rocks and unhappy before the coma, and he can't remember anything.

Did they prove with documentation that they are indeed married? I don't remember.

If they didn't...I wonder if it's possible that they aren't technically married.

*edit*

just a thought...even if there was documentation, do we know that it's legit?

posted January 22, 2012 08:17 AM            

And,no it's just you,Emma and Snow do look alike !!! Me Virgo Merc likes the fine weaving

Wow,it fits so well (actor do have physical traits of their suns,except for Jennifer M,I'd never guess her Aires,maybe she has some strict Asc,like Cappy,Scorp?)

Rumplestiltskin's nose,jaw line,interchanging liveliness and blood shedding nature : Aries.
Regina : she is fit,but curvy woman,you can see Water in her lips and eyes..Typically feminine seduction. Possessive. Heart collection (this is somehow so Cancer)
Henry,oh,well,Gemini sums it nicely Eloquent,curiously,even his appearance is airish...
Huntsman,Tau... He gave me that slow impression... Slow and elusive.
Mary Margaret,Gemini...taperish chin,rounded face. Witty,yet romantic,maybe some Cancer in there,too?
Jiminy- Aqua/Cappy by looks. Daper,yet crazy scientist's scatterbrain,but keen in observing.
Kathryn-I wouldn't guess Aries,I see Gemini?
Ruby- Leo,could her outfit sceam any louder

The reason I stick to actor's signs here,is that inevitably,actors give their planetary energy to the character,even when different in nature from the character,especially if fictional character doesn't have date of birth. Also,a Gemini actor would play better somebody funny,light and intellectual than brooding type of characters.
When character does have dob,it is absolutely eerie,how there are so many similarities between them and actors who play them. I dabbled in this research,for some time,and I often wondered about whether casting directors have some astro knowledge or are just very intuitive and discerning!

As for the David's coma,I am sure Regina did something... But it is so hard to think about it,since they don't have beginnings,there in Storybrooke. Everything is 'as long as anyone can remember'. So,would her finding David coincide with Prince's sending Emma away and getting hurt? I didn't get an impression that Regina and Kathryn know each other longer.
What we do know is that in fairytale land there are no royal divorces,so I am willing to consider that they didn't get married,it 'ended' by Prince and Snow's wedding. So,would they replicate that in Storybrooke as divorce or actually not married,as you said,I don't know. The scheming will ensue,however,if David decides for Mary Margaret ! Maybe some poisonous apple reference, Kathryn egged on by Regina?

posted January 22, 2012 01:40 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Oh,I as well was going for Libra Sun,Cancer Asc But,he is Sag,so now knowing it,I can see Sag's playfulness

And,no it's just you,Emma and Snow do look alike !!! Me Virgo Merc likes the fine weaving

Wow,it fits so well (actor do have physical traits of their suns,except for Jennifer M,I'd never guess her Aires,maybe she has some strict Asc,like Cappy,Scorp?)

Rumplestiltskin's nose,jaw line,interchanging liveliness and blood shedding nature : Aries.
Regina : she is fit,but curvy woman,you can see Water in her lips and eyes..Typically feminine seduction. Possessive. Heart collection (this is somehow so Cancer)
Henry,oh,well,Gemini sums it nicely Eloquent,curiously,even his appearance is airish...
Huntsman,Tau... He gave me that slow impression... Slow and elusive.
Mary Margaret,Gemini...taperish chin,rounded face. Witty,yet romantic,maybe some Cancer in there,too?
Jiminy- Aqua/Cappy by looks. Daper,yet crazy scientist's scatterbrain,but keen in observing.
Kathryn-I wouldn't guess Aries,I see Gemini?
Ruby- Leo,could her outfit sceam any louder

The reason I stick to actor's signs here,is that inevitably,actors give their planetary energy to the character,even when different in nature from the character,especially if fictional character doesn't have date of birth. Also,a Gemini actor would play better somebody funny,light and intellectual than brooding type of characters.
When character does have dob,it is absolutely eerie,how there are so many similarities between them and actors who play them. I dabbled in this research,for some time,and I often wondered about whether casting directors have some astro knowledge or are just very intuitive and discerning!

As for the David's coma,I am sure Regina did something... But it is so hard to think about it,since they don't have beginnings,there in Storybrooke. Everything is 'as long as anyone can remember'. So,would her finding David coincide with Prince's sending Emma away and getting hurt? I didn't get an impression that Regina and Kathryn know each other longer.
What we do know is that in fairytale land there are no royal divorces,so I am willing to consider that they didn't get married,it 'ended' by Prince and Snow's wedding. So,would they replicate that in Storybrooke as divorce or actually not married,as you said,I don't know. The scheming will ensue,however,if David decides for Mary Margaret ! Maybe some poisonous apple reference, Kathryn egged on by Regina?

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I actually think that Morrison (Emma) being an Aries makes sense. She seems a bit impulsive and take-charge on the show.

And I TOTALLY agree about planetary energy coming out in an actor's character!!! I can definitely see it in many other shows.

I kind of am torn about characters being given dates of birth. I love it when the date is accurate--in that it really does reflect the personality. (Like L from Death Note, though since he has a different birth year in the anime and manga, it's hard to say which to count as his REAL birthdate; since I think the manga came first, though, I'd go with that one). I hate it, though, when a character is given a date and the personality doesn't fit. I wonder if some directors/people hate astrology so they try to discredit it, or else they are just completely ignorant of it. When it really fits, though, I'm all like

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Kathryn bores me, so I'm OK if they kill off her character. They might get jail time, though. So, I hope that MM doesn't do that. Neither she nor David seem like the type, but what if Regina tries to frame one of them?

posted January 23, 2012 12:48 AM            

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It was great to see Little Red Riding Hood in Storybrook and to see the Eight Dwarves. But there are so many questions. Who is the mystery writer? Did he write the book? If so, does he know the true characters? He must! Why did Rumple want Snow White's hair? How did Snow White and Prince Charming get together and have a wedding and a baby? Because Snow White drank the potion. I want more of the story! So many great lines about love in this episode. Even Rumple knew love is the most powerful force in the universe. I think I liked Grumpy's line the best: "I don't want to forget the pain. It makes me grumpy."

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As soon as I saw the typewriter, that was exactly my first thought: that it's the writer of the stories, or else we're going to have a situation like in the anime Princess Tutu in which certain individuals can control what happens simply by writing it. I wondered if perhaps the stranger could influence or change the outcome by typing.

In all seriousness, I do think that it's a valid theory that he's the writer. That would also explain why no one knows who he is. It makes more sense than the Big Bad Wolf because wouldn't people recognize him, plus wouldn't he, you know, be an animal? Then again, though, who's to say that he would have to be an animal?

The queen mentioned that he seemed familiar, though, which is one issue that I have with the theory about him being the writer. Even she wouldn't know the writer--none of them would. They would be in the writer's universe; he wouldn't be a character. And even he wouldn't be creating them, as many stories had simply been copied down from oral tradition, to my understanding.

posted January 23, 2012 01:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
It was great to see Little Red Riding Hood in Storybrook and to see the Eight Dwarves. But there are so many questions. Who is the mystery writer? Did he write the book? If so, does he know the true characters? He must! Why did Rumple want Snow White's hair? How did Snow White and Prince Charming get together and have a wedding and a baby? Because Snow White drank the potion. I want more of the story! So many great lines about love in this episode. Even Rumple knew love is the most powerful force in the universe. I think I liked Grumpy's line the best: "I don't want to forget the pain. It makes me grumpy."

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My guess about the hair is that he will do some kind of spell with it, or that it might have something to do with the curse.

Ooooh maybe it's part of the antidote--that makes her remember Charming after she took that stuff. I wonder if he knew that she'd ask for one and then I wonder what his price is?

Just a thought!

I also agree: Grumpy is very cool.

I'm wondering, though: 8 dwarves? (I fell asleep during the show--was tired--and woke up and re-watched it later, so I may be wrong).

Usually, there are 7.

posted January 23, 2012 01:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Best episode ever! I liked this show a lot...but now I love it. It has taken my number one slot. Tonight's episode was so sad. Absolutely heart-wrenching.

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My favorite is still "Desperate Souls", but I did enjoy this episode a lot too.

I feel so torn about MM and David in the real world. I feel that MM is trying to do the right thing, but David is very conflicted and is trying to have his cake and eat it too. I can't help but feel like he should get a divorce if he can't remember things with his wife, or else let MM go and find happiness.

I can't help but feel that he should pick one or the other. I also find it unfair that he's trying to have both: still sleeping with his wife and being affectionate with her, but also loving Mary Margaret. It isn't fair to either one of them and just prolongs the hurt. (I soooo think that he has a Libra ASC or Venus--definitely has Libra in the chart somewhere!).

Then again, who's to say for sure that they're married and that this isn't just something that Regina faked or arranged?

If they are truly married, though, and it wasn't coerced or staged, I do think that he has an obligation to try to save his marriage and should leave MM alone. I don't know that I'd go as far as to say that he's a player--I think that it's more feeling conflicted than anything--but he really needs to choose ONE and be decisive (and this is coming from a Libra sun!)

If the marriage can't be saved, then he should at least break up before moving on to MM. Better to hurt Kathryn by that than by cheating and sneaking around. And with Regina knowing about MM and David, we KNOW she is going to mess their stuff up.

posted January 23, 2012 07:59 AM            

What if the antidote/whatever causes the reversal of the forgetting potion is what causes Snow White to die? (Remember how she's in a glass coffin and I think gets awakened by "true love's kiss"? I seem to recall that). Alternately, what if remembering the Prince/being reintroduced to him is what causes her death/sleep? What if one of the dwarves trades his life to get Snow to remember again?

And, another thought: if there are 8 dwarves now, what if the Queen is in love with one of them? What if something that Snow does which is connected to the deal that she made with Rumple causes that one to die? Maybe THAT is why the Queen hates her?

Also, speaking of Rumple, I have to say: Robert Carlyle is an AMAZING actor. He gives us four characters in one: cowardly-but-you-just-want-to-hug-him!Rumpelstiltskin, descended-into-madness!Rumpelstiltskin, BAMF!Rumpelstiltskin, and the dapper Mr. Gold, whose true motives/character are, for me at least, still up in the air/to-be-decided.

posted January 23, 2012 08:01 AM            

Awesome,enjoyed the episode all the way!

Randall,omg,yes! Not just that he knows characters,but the ending,too Is he here to help Emma follow through properly,within story's canon or the ending is subjected to change? Is he from fairytale land? His power must be great,since he escaped the curse.

And,The Red... Oh,what's her story? Why wouldn't anyone help her but Snow??

Rumplestiltskin took her hair probably for some magic... And,he knows Snow's name... So,he is in big lead! *lovin his locks and sounds of delight he makes *

Grumpy,totally cool!

There were 8 dwarves,Sneaky got killed.. Snow came,and we have Snow White and 7 dwarves,united by loss.

Oh,I see some sparkles between writer and Emma

The kiss in the end was a surprise to me