posted October 12, 2013 10:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b]Not so, there are times when just being around someone engaging is more fun then actually sleeping with them

At least for me, perhaps a Saggie trait.

Really? Even with your Mars in Scorpio?

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My goodness yes, it's not been much of an issue attracting female attention, thing is if I don't actually LIKE them I'll be quite charming and have a nice conversation with them and then just find other things to do.

Weird thing about it is, this really confuses women, to the point I'll have long since forgotten the conversation and then be approached with a huge smile and "..oh hey insert real name..how are you doing and how have you been..how's your mother.."?

Have -0- idea what their name is (though really really remember mine) and only vaguely recall what we spoke about when last we chatted..have to be que'd up and then it all comes back to me.

I feel slightly embarrassed by not being able to just recall their names off hand even when it was clear..inflagrante delicto was on their mind that evening when we first met.

Honestly most of the time I'm just minding my own business trying to recall languages I've learned the rudiments of or whether I'm happy with my workout that day..not really thinking about hooking up

posted October 12, 2013 10:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
And YTA kept encouraging you to be a trucker rather than go to Uni... but I wonder how he would feel if one of his sons went on to become a trucker and chose not to attend University at all....

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Look. It's a matter of the perspective and situation. I pardon you because you are in Australia and do not quite understand how dire the American economy is. Being Australian, you have no concept of how much a university education costs in America. I have eight Australian cousins and six Brits. I grew up going to school in England myself.

Let's contrast Aquaguy, 23, and my son, Mitchell, 17. Let's use medical school as the common denominator. The quest is to be a cardiologist. In America, that is four years of college, four years of medical school, 2 years of residency, 2 years of specialization, and then 2 years of fellowship. That's 14 years.

Aquaguy is taking courses part time. He has some financial resources but nothing substantial. He has to work hard to save for college. I'll give him a handicap. He'll attend state university in the South at half the expense of a private university in the Northeast.

For Aquaguy, that will be $40,000 per year for four years, and then $60,000 per year for four more years, plus no tuition but being paid jack crap for two more years, and then $60,000 for two more years. That's half a million dollars in tuition and books alone. That's without general cost of living.

Let's take the trucking job. It pays about $60,000 to start and grows to $120,000 in four years. That is a job with income and no incurred debt. Do you know that the average physician on America graduates with over a quarter million dollars in debt? And physician starting salaries in hospitals are dismal. $50,000 a year as a fellow. It isn't until you finish and then go into private practice that you get wealthy. Hospital physicians earn a decent living but are never wealthy.

Or you can marry him and make him Australian, so that he can go to Unuversity for under $5,000 a year. Then he'll be able to buy diapers for Aquarette.

Coming back to my son, private university cost is about $1.2 million all-in. I've funded his tuition and he will have no school debt. He'll probably need to have mortgage debt to buy a home, because I'm not giving him every single thing. But having school pre funded is a great help.

And now finally back to Aquaguy. How do you expect him to pay for all that? Trucking is a honest living. If it is not glamorous, at least he will have money. He will be able to feed a wife and raise kids. New physicians don't have money to raise families for quite a few years, until the men are at least in their mid-30s.

I myself did a lot of education. Three masters degrees later, I don't have much tangible to show for my education. I got where I am through very hard work and savvy and very little to do with degrees.

posted October 12, 2013 10:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Well, uhm, not sure I'd go there tbh, as more than likely I know what the answer would be..probably unanimous..

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I know lots of men who have Christian values, who are turned OFF by anything trampy, and who don't like other men staring at their dates when they go out.

Or maybe I just dated too many Venus in Virgo guys...hmmm....

posted October 12, 2013 10:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
In what sign is your Venus?

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Sag...it's like my Venus's birthday tonight.

posted October 12, 2013 10:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I know lots of men who have Christian values, who are turned OFF by anything trampy, and who don't like other men staring at their dates when they go out.

Or maybe I just dated too many Venus in Virgo guys...hmmm....

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Oh, they may say that..

To me, that is female choice, do think if a short skirt is advertising, do not be surprised if junk fish hit on the bait!

It's an odd thing, wear a short skirt and hope to attract attention from the one guy they want to attract attention from, and hope that the 30 other guys they do not want attention from do not notice.

posted October 12, 2013 10:17 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Look. It's a matter of the perspective and situation. I pardon you because you are in Australia and do not quite understand how dire the American economy is. Being Australian, you have no concept of how much a university education costs in America. I have eight Australian cousins and six Brits. I grew up going to school in England myself.

Let's contrast Aquaguy, 23, and my son, Mitchell, 17. Let's use medical school as the common denominator. The quest is to be a cardiologist. In America, that is four years of college, four years of medical school, 2 years of residency, 2 years of specialization, and then 2 years of fellowship. That's 14 years.

Aquaguy is taking courses part time. He has some financial resources but nothing substantial. He has to work hard to save for college. I'll give him a handicap. He'll attend state university in the South at half the expense of a private university in the Northeast.

For Aquaguy, that will be $40,000 per year for four years, and then $60,000 per year for four more years, plus no tuition but being paid jack crap for two more years, and then $60,000 for two more years. That's half a million dollars in tuition and books alone. That's without general cost of living.

Let's take the trucking job. It pays about $60,000 to start and grows to $120,000 in four years. That is a job with income and no incurred debt. Do you know that the average physician on America graduates with over a quarter million dollars in debt? And physician starting salaries in hospitals are dismal. $50,000 a year as a fellow. It isn't until you finish and then go into private practice that you get wealthy. Hospital physicians earn a decent living but are never wealthy.

Coming back to my son, private university cost is about $1.2 million all-in. I've funded his tuition and he will have no school debt. He'll probably need to have mortgage debt to buy a home, because I'm not giving him every single thing. But having school pre funded is a great help.

And now finally back to Aquaguy. How do you expect him to pay for all that? Trucking is a honest living. If it is not glamorous, at least he will have money. He will be able to feed a wife and raise kids. New physicians don't have money to raise families for quite a few years, until the men are at least in their mid-30s.

I myself did a lot of education. Three masters degrees later, I don't have much tangible to show for my education. I got where I am through very hard work and savvy and very little to do with degrees.

God forbid someone becomes like my colleague's daughter. She is a graduate with a Masters degree. The problem is that she is an English major and studied Creative Writing. She has been unemployed for 6 months now, working at Starbucks. He poor dad paid $375,000 for her education. Now he has to pay for her apartment. And pay for her boyfriend who has no job either. He was a History major.

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Not neccessarily YTA, most community colleges have feeder systems to the 4 yr or longer programs, so the cost can be reduced to 6k per yr or so for the first two years.

Thing is, "going to college" has come to mean "leaving home to go to college" not a calculated financial decision that it SHOULD be.

A skilled blue collar path is fine, as long as one also finds a way to continue on the auto-didactic path.

posted October 12, 2013 10:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Not neccessarily YTA, most community colleges have feeder systems to the 4 yr or longer programs, so the cost can be reduced to 6k per yr or so for the first two years.

Thing is, "going to college" has come to mean "leaving home to go to college" not a calculated financial decision that it SHOULD be.

A skilled blue collar path is fine, as long as one also finds a way to continue on the auto-didactic path.

We both know, what one learns in "school" is merely a starting point, where real education happens is on one's own time and ones on real life experiences.

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In the white collar world, community college is like the kiss of death on a resume. Name dropping counts in the white collar world.

In the blue collar world, who cares about college. It's perfectly honorable and I know lots of very wealthy blue collared guys.

Take your agurment to Odette. She's the one that needs convincing, not me.

posted October 12, 2013 10:27 PM            

This is one of the loveliest chart placements, bar none. Ceres is truly lovely, warm and welcoming. We all need that and respond to it!

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posted October 12, 2013 10:30 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
In the white collar world, community college is like the kiss of death on a resume. Name dropping counts in the white collar world.

In the blue collar world, who cares about college. It's perfectly honorable and I know lots of very wealthy blue collared guys.

Take your agurment to Odette. She's the one that needs convincing, not me.

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And there it is, snobbery over performance

Why am I not surprised, the Ko'D, among supposedly "smartest people in the room" based on a wise financial decision to forego the nonsense of dorms and the rest of it.

FWIW, same in the military, Annapolis and West Point (ring knockers) over say Texas A&M..not "real" colleges after all.

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posted October 12, 2013 10:35 PM            

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And there it is, snobbery over performance

Why am I not surprised, the Ko'D, among supposedly "smartest people in the room" based on a wise financial decision to forego the nonsense of dorms and the rest of it.

FWIW, same in the military, Annapolis and West Point (ring knockers) over say Texas A&M..not "real" colleges after all.

Small wonder such blue bloods are universally disliked outside of their little worlds.

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We live in a sad world but I deal with reality. The highest paying jobs go to kids from a handful of colleges. That's unfortunately how it is. Hell, West Point and Annapolis are among the best. My wife got accepted to Annapolis herself. But trying getting a job at the elite firms. Many won't even look at the resume. Some companies didn't bother with mine, and I think I went to a decent school, but not top three.

posted October 12, 2013 10:37 PM            

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[b]]TBH, think that Ceres placement is just something women can just feel when they meet me and it builds trust virtually instantly.

This is one of the loveliest chart placements, bar none. Ceres is truly lovely, warm and welcoming. We all need that and respond to it!

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Out in life, it is really true, add in Saggie's gift o' gab and knowledge of diverse subjects and suspect such conversations/interactions are noteworthy.

So someone who clearly has no agenda and knows what they speak of, who just has this thing about them, chatted with me for an evening w/o pushing for sex sort of thing etc etc

I'm normally trying to recall how to say "My Chinese is not very good" in Mandarin (ching mi schway ying when, please speak English)and having a beer and smoking a nice smelling pipe tobacco cigar while enjoying the atmosphere.

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posted October 12, 2013 10:40 PM            

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We live in a sad world but I deal with reality. The highest paying jobs go to kids from a handful of colleges. That's unfortunately how it is. Hell, West Point and Annapolis are among the best. My wife got accepted to Annapolis herself. But trying getting a job at the elite firms. Many won't even look at the resume. Some companies didn't bother with mine, and I think I went to a decent school, but not top three.

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Eh, see the same in sports leagues, ceterus perebus, all things being equal, it is just assumed graduates of such place will perform at "X" level.

posted October 12, 2013 10:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Eh, see the same in sports leagues, ceterus perebus, all things being equal, it is just assumed graduates of such place will perform at "X" level.

Think Jack Welch had it right, 1 yr, keep the top 20%, does not matter what school they came from.

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Ya. Except he's a hypocrite. Almost all the GE headquarters management associates come from Yale and Harvard. I bank GE, know Immelt personally and I live in GE land. The lesser staff jobs are open to the others.

posted October 12, 2013 10:46 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Ya. Except he's a hypocrite. Almost all the GE headquarters management associates come from Yale and Harvard. I bank GE, know Immelt personally and I live in GE land. The lesser staff jobs are open to the others.

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Ah, performance at the lower level can lead to advancement into the upper echelon.

I think Immelt is a schmuck without the talent Welch had for identifying both talent and opportunity, basically he's making $$$ for GE via the Govt, not via innovation.

Granted profit is profit in that world, I'm not seeing the unlimited vista that GE had under Welch, at least last I looked 2 yrs ago.

posted October 12, 2013 10:47 PM            

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Ah, performance at the lower level can lead to advancement into the upper echelon.

I think Immelt is a schmuck without the talent Welch had for identifying both talent and opportunity, basically he's making $$$ for GE via the Govt, not via innovation.

Granted profit is profit in that world, I'm not seeing the unlimited vista that GE had under Welch, at least last I looked 2 yrs ago.

That was one company I'd planned on investing in, now, would not touch them

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posted October 12, 2013 10:52 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I never believed in GE.

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I did, on a sort of sunk cost basis, buy "X", shares go up, sell to recover purchase price retain what is left and see how it performs.

posted October 12, 2013 11:11 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Ok, here's the whole story on the school vs trucking thing. The state of Tennessee agreed to pay for my college education because of my aspergers diagnosis but...They said I could not work at all while they are paying for my school and demand that I go full time.Also here recently they told me that they are only going to pay for an associates degree.I Suspect that new development has everything to do with the government shutdown bullsh*t. So basically if I want to go to school I have to live in jobless poverty for 2 years and for what? Associates degrees are next to useless. As far as trucking goes, Its been something I have wanted to do for a long time. My moms boyfriend got me in the door with his trucking company, which is one of the best and highest paying in the industry. So its really a no brainer that trucking is a better deal at this time.

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Sort of AG, Pell Grants will offer $$$ up to 3,500k-5,500k per yr iirc.

the trap, and it is a trap, is "stafford student loans", basically up to 15k for 2 yrs, and they OWN you afterwards.

Other option is to have your own small, cash based micro enterprise.

For myself it was refurbishing laptops, which meant dealing with Hong Kong and mainland China for stuff like laptop batteries of dubious quality.

posted October 12, 2013 11:29 PM            

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Sort of AG, Pell Grants will offer $$$ up to 3,500k-5,500k per yr iirc.

the trap, and it is a trap, is "stafford student loans", basically up to 15k for 2 yrs, and they OWN you afterwards.

Other option is to have your own small, cash based micro enterprise.

For myself it was refurbishing laptops, which meant dealing with Hong Kong and mainland China for stuff like laptop batteries of dubious quality.

Will say this, between the two, would far far prefer running my own enterprise.

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posted October 12, 2013 11:36 PM            

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Padre35:
[b] Sort of AG, Pell Grants will offer $$$ up to 3,500k-5,500k per yr iirc.

the trap, and it is a trap, is "stafford student loans", basically up to 15k for 2 yrs, and they OWN you afterwards.

Other option is to have your own small, cash based micro enterprise.

For myself it was refurbishing laptops, which meant dealing with Hong Kong and mainland China for stuff like laptop batteries of dubious quality.

Will say this, between the two, would far far prefer running my own enterprise.

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Ah, you are in the "independent" student trap, meaning if you lived on your own, you'd be eligible, b/c you don't, you are not.

Yeah, inow yet another trap, I know what to do to avoid it, yet cannot say what exactly that is..perhaps if one turned on that high powered perception, and use of google-fu, one can find the answer to your situation.

posted October 12, 2013 11:53 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
In a world where a Bachelors doesn't mean too much, what good is an Associates degree?

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Depends on individual talent and characteristics.

posted October 12, 2013 11:59 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
In a world where a Bachelors doesn't mean too much, what good is an Associates degree?

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