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aquaguy91
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posted May 09, 2014 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
Your memory on that is flawed.

Go back and look at the rape thread, AG. You were the one who posted a link saying that women ought to anticipate that men are potential rapists and prepare themselves accordingly. YOU posted it. I was the one who said, "Wow, I'm amazed that you agree with that." And you basically conceded.

Anyone can re-read the rape thread and see for themselves.



Two completely different threads faith.. There was a thread a few years ago where you (i believe), lonake, and regardes were basically saying that all men are potential rapists and should be treated as such. I firmly disagree with that line of thinking.. In the thread you are bringing up I was basically saying to exercise common sense, i never implied that it is ok to see all men as potential rapists and treat them that way.

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posted May 09, 2014 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
The fact of the matter is alot of girls my age are : immature, selfish , like playing games, and they definitely like bad boys. Those are just facts... Its not hate or misogyny.

Some PEOPLE are immature, selfish, like playing games, and are attracted to broken partners.

To continuously zero in on one subgroup is indicative of bigotry.

To illustrate: replace "girls my age" with another group and see how it sounds. Imagine if you regularly made remarks like the following:

"Lots of Mexicans are immature, selfish , like playing games, and they definitely like jerks. Those are just facts...Its not hate or racism."

"Lots of Jews are immature, selfish , like playing games, and they definitely like jerks. Those are just facts...Its not hate or antisemitism."

"Lots of veterans are immature, selfish , like playing games, and they definitely like jerks. Those are just facts...Its not hate or bigotry."

And so on.

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Faith
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posted May 09, 2014 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:

Two completely different threads faith.. There was a thread a few years ago where you (i believe), lonake, and regardes were basically saying that all men are potential rapists and should be treated as such.

Link it, please.

I don't remember ever agreeing with Lonake about anything.

quote:
Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I firmly disagree with that line of thinking.. In the thread you are bringing up I was basically saying to exercise common sense, i never implied that it is ok to see all men as potential rapists and treat them that way.

Exercise common sense in that a woman should not put herself in a position where she is in danger to be raped, seeing as how.....

?

How would you complete the sentence?

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posted May 09, 2014 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sibyl:
I think that's a very valid point, however it is still possible to call for moderation of individual behavior and to instill a better culture for discussing here. Mods are only necessary for this if and when the "SP" community itself fails in doings so

When it comes to personal insults, I think you are right.

When it comes to an unspoken policy issue that allows for seriously offensive sexist remarks, and defends the person making those remarks, and calls those remarks mere "opinions," then I think it's a mod/owner issue and ought to be "fixed" at that level, if possible.

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ETA: For example, after AG's comment that US women are slutty (please note, the word "sl*t" is banned here) and crap out babies, which even he just acknowledged was offensive, the moderator replied:

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Ha ha. I know exactly what you mean

And this kind of thing has been happening on a regular basis.

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Ami Anne
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posted May 09, 2014 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Look at this forum for example. Many of us are saying we won't put up with your constant insults, yet the owner and mods happen to think you are swell.

The power is on your side.

In society at large, the power is still on the men's side, too. It's like LL is a microcosm of larger social dynamics.

This is ridiculous. Your problem, Faith, is that you won't face yourself. Hence, you project as you are doing here.

A person who won't face themselves vomit all over other people. That may sound bad but it is 100% true.

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posted May 09, 2014 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sibyl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
When it comes to personal insults, I think you are right.

When it comes to an unspoken policy issue that allows for seriously offensive sexist remarks, and defends the person making those remarks, and calls those remarks mere "opinions," then I think it's a mod/owner issue and ought to be "fixed" at that level, if possible.


Yes, we agree then.

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posted May 09, 2014 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

A person who won't face themselves vomit all over other people. That may sound bad but it is 100% true.

Nobody else has said that I am vomiting on them.

I don't know what you would have me change, specifically. What I'm doing here is defending a minority group, young women, who are continually insulted in this forum.

It doesn't do anybody any good.

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posted May 09, 2014 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First of all, you are vomiting all over this Forum and LL by that crazy accusation that LL is a microcosm of the world YOU have created in your own mind. That is called projection and/or reaction formation.

Randall is one of the fairest people in this universe, Faith.

For you to imply otherwise, is a pure projection of your own thinking which is twisted into a small perspective based on your unwillingness to face YOURSELF.

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posted May 09, 2014 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see problems both in myself and LL.

Randall isn't perfect, you aren't, I'm not.

But we all have different problems.

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posted May 09, 2014 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sibyl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You two obviously have a karmic connection.

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posted May 09, 2014 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We used to get along quite well.

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Ellynlvx
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posted May 09, 2014 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Randall is too, Perfect.

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posted May 09, 2014 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow.

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aquaguy91
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posted May 09, 2014 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
Exercise common sense in that a woman should not put herself in a position where she is in danger to be raped, seeing as how.....

?

How would you complete the sentence?


It shouldn't be that hard to figure out. Its not even worth mentioning because advising women to exercise good judgement and common sense is labeled as "victim blaming" and "rape culture". I could tell anyone else that certain behaviors, manners of dress, and who/where they hang out with/at could spell trouble/danger and its best to keep oneself out of those situations and they would agree. But when it comes to alot of women telling them this is like talking to the wall.

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posted May 09, 2014 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
Randall is too, Perfect.

Randall is not perfect but he is humble and he tries to be kind and considerate to everyone and goes the extra mile. No one said he was perfect. He is a person of exceptional character, but not perfect.

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posted May 09, 2014 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry, Ami, but he's Perfect.

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posted May 09, 2014 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sibyl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
We used to get along quite well.

Aawwww let's kiss and make up! (Say one nice thing about the other person???? )

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posted May 09, 2014 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7thGuardian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
First of all, you are vomiting all over this Forum and LL by that crazy accusation that LL is a microcosm of the world YOU have created in your own mind. That is called projection and/or reaction formation.

Randall is one of the fairest people in this universe, Faith.

For you to imply otherwise, is a pure projection of your own thinking which is twisted into a small perspective based on your unwillingness to face YOURSELF.



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Being Neurotic

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Neurotic is when you are living in your head and not in reality, as it is. Doux's Personality test got me thinking. I am living in my head and reacting to my head way more than I want.
I will elaborate as I think of it( and get courage) but if anyone can relate, that would be great


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posted May 09, 2014 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
Sorry, Ami, but he's Perfect.

Well, close

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Ellynlvx
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posted May 09, 2014 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted May 09, 2014 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I could tell anyone else that certain behaviors, manners of dress, and who/where they hang out with/at could spell trouble/danger and its best to keep oneself out of those situations and they would agree. But when it comes to alot of women telling them this is like talking to the wall.

So your opinion hasn't changed since the rape thread?

As I said there, you're blaming women for being leery of men who have the physical ability to rape them, and then turning around blaming them for not being skeptical and not taking necessary precautions.

Why should a woman have to be mindful of her dress if men are so rarely a threat that she ought not to think or talk about it?

But you're saying, on the other hand, that one man in a group might be a threat, and she'll never be sure which one that is, so she should dress protectively against all men...since any one of them might be the rapist...but then erase the reason for her protective dress from her mind while socializing. To remember why she is wearing baggy pants instead of a miniskirt to the nightclub is man-hating.

Something like that?

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posted May 09, 2014 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sibyl:
Aawwww let's kiss and make up! (Say one nice thing about the other person???? )

No kissing, that'd be fake, but I can say something nice: Ami is a gifted intuitive who often uses her gift well.

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posted May 09, 2014 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sibyl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
No kissing, that'd be fake, but I can say something nice: Ami is a gifted intuitive who often uses her gift well.


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posted May 09, 2014 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And she's darn close to knowing that Randall's Perfect.

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posted May 09, 2014 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sibyl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We are all perfectly imperfect. But imperfectly we seek to correct our imperfections

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