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BellaFenice
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posted May 09, 2014 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I think threads like this just prove how biased and un objective people are. Take the sand situation for example..most of the forum bickered and complained when he was booted off the forum because they liked him. Yet when someone is partial to me, like Ami, its suddenly unfair and some want to cry foul. And consider that Bella brought up that barbie and deepfreeze were ganged up on. When the reality is I, and many others, have gotten flak for having unpopular opinions. Almost everyone gets fired up around here at times. So Imo everyone needs to quit pointing fingers and try to stay objective and realize that nothing here is personal. We are on an internet forum afterall.

AG- Ami is a mod, she should not be partial to anyone, that is the issue. I brought up the Barbie situation because it shows the inconsistency in mod behaviors. Otherwise, I agree with you.

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charmainec
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posted May 09, 2014 06:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charmainec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Being biased is due to cliques or friendships which extend beyond this site. That is where many issues with moderating in a unbiased way stems from.

X, Y and Z is buddies with mod U and there is this sense of obligation to back each other when the crap hits the fan. I know this because I lost at least two "friendships" for not taking their "sides". Ridiculous. Yes. Well, that's not how I roll no matter who you are. Besides, what type of friendship is it when you are expected to choose sides? Where's the honesty? If your "friend" is out of line or wrong then you should be able to tell them without all the resentment.

Mods aren't here to back their pals and vice versa. They are here to render a service to the site. No, Mods are not perfect. We are human and make mistakes. We need to keep in mind that we are here to do what is best for the community as a whole and not our own personal vendettas.

Same with the clique of friends who post and "gang up" on those who are not part of their inner circles.

No, LL will never be a perfect community where we all love each other and never disagree. It's balanced out by the pros and cons of human interactions. We can try to change our attitudes and how we respond to another (I'm still personally working on that!) to ease potencial arguments from exculating.

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charmainec
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posted May 09, 2014 07:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charmainec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also want to add that since AG always seems to be the hot topic of most arguments:

IMO, I see him as someone who says what he thinks. Not to get attention as some have alleged.

Yes, some of what he says isn't everyones cup of tea but when straight out name calling and finger pointing ensues because there's a difference of opinion then obviously a fight is waiting to happen!

This is just my opinion as I honestly don't detect any malicious intent from his side. To me, he is misunderstood.

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Ami Anne
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posted May 09, 2014 07:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also want to add that since AG always seems to be the hot topic of most arguments:

IMO, I see him as someone who says what he thinks. Not to get attention as some have alleged.

Yes, some of what he says isn't everyones cup of tea but when straight out name calling and finger pointing ensues because there's a difference of opinion then obviously a fight is waiting to happen!

This is just my opinion as I honestly don't detect any malicious intent from his side. To me, he is misunderstood.

I agree. There are people here who LIVE to start fights and it is not AG.

For the people criticizing the Mods, you may be very surprised if you are in the shoes of a Mod.

One guy, name withheld, was always criticizing the Mods. Then, he became a Mod.

He lasted a week and begged not to be a Mod

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posted May 09, 2014 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonWitch     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not pals with any of the mods. Not because some of them aren't nice or anything but because I'm almost always the odd guy out and it takes a crapload for me to get closer to someone. Especially here - I don't know why.

Except Ra... I love Ra. I will admit that openly.

(it probably helps that I 'moderate' a forum that has virtually no drama... ever)

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posted May 09, 2014 09:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AG starts fights by making sweeping remarks that are accusatory towards women in general. We defend ourselves from these accusations.

That's been the story of this forum for a long time.

Charmaine, you rule, but I firmly disagree with you here.

I mean, let's just talk about reality please.

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posted May 09, 2014 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AG starts fights by making sweeping remarks that are accusatory towards women in general. We defend ourselves from these accusations.

I don't see it that way.

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posted May 09, 2014 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MoonWitch:
I am not pals with any of the mods. Not because some of them aren't nice or anything but because I'm almost always the odd guy out and it takes a crapload for me to get closer to someone. Especially here - I don't know why.

Except Ra... I love Ra. I will admit that openly.

(it probably helps that I 'moderate' a forum that has virtually no drama... ever)


Et tu, MoonWitch?

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posted May 09, 2014 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellynlvx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But; but... but I Love You.

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aquaguy91
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posted May 09, 2014 09:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
AG starts fights by making sweeping remarks that are accusatory towards women in general. We defend ourselves from these accusations.

That's been the story of this forum for a long time.

Charmaine, you rule, but I firmly disagree with you here.

I mean, let's just talk about [b]reality please.[/B]



As I have said before when I am talking about my experiences with women I am mostly talking about women of my generation and younger. It shouldn't be that hard for you to comprehend that. My generation is completely different then the generations before. And the things I say about them are mostly true. And I have also bragged on women from older generations and said I wish women my age were more like them. The fact of the matter is alot of girls my age are : immature, selfish , like playing games, and they definitely like bad boys. Those are just facts... Its not hate or misogyny.

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posted May 09, 2014 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sibyl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
The fact of the matter is alot of girls my age are : immature, selfish , like playing games, and they definitely like bad boys. Those are just facts... Its not hate or misogyny.

And guys our age are not?

Edit: Don't call your own opinions truths please.

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posted May 09, 2014 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charmainec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
AG starts fights by making sweeping remarks that are accusatory towards women in general. We defend ourselves from these accusations.

That's been the story of this forum for a long time.

Charmaine, you rule, but I firmly disagree with you here.

I mean, let's just talk about [b]reality please.[/B]


Reality? What I said was being real. Just because I disagree? Psh. This is exactly what I was talking about. I gave my OPINION. You don't have to like it. Doesn't mean I'm not being real.

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posted May 09, 2014 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sibyl:
And guys our age are not?

Oh I can agree with that 100%... But... As a guy I fault young women more because alot of them choose very questionable guys and this only enables those men's bad behavior. If more young women chose gentlemen you would see more young men being gentlemen and less young men turning to bad and anti-social behaviors to get women. that's my opinion anyway. Think about it this way... If most young women are sleeping with and dating thugs and bad boys what is the incentive for a guy to be a gentleman and date women in the traditional sense? And alot of women are constantly complaining about men's bad behavior yet they continue to date men who exhibit the bad behaviors they supposedly hate. And what is the bad boy's incentive to start being a nice guy if he is getting women and he is popular already? Its well known that rewarding bad behavior makes the situation worse.. Thats why you nip it in the bud and punish bad behavior. The fact of the matter is alot of young women reward men's bad behavior and it should be no surprise that these men continue to behave badly... If more women stood up to men's bad behavior and said "you know what I'm not putting up with this sh*t" and started dating more decent guys more men would follow suit. I'm not trying to say that women are completely responsible for mens bad behavior at all.. Although i know people will accuse me of saying this... All i'm saying is women have more power in the mating game and their decisions in men somewhat impact how men behave. And the trend right now is alot of women are rewarding bad behavior and you are seeing more men acting bad as a result.

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posted May 09, 2014 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:

As I have said before when I am talking about my experiences with women I am mostly talking about women of my generation and younger. It shouldn't be that hard for you to comprehend that. My generation is completely different then the generations before. And the things I say about them are mostly true.

Suuuuurrreeee.....

So how dare anyone get offended about stuff like this, which you post continually:

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I want to go to Israel someday because I hear the women are nicer there and act more like ladies.they are not slutty or crapping out babies like women here in the u.s.

Did everyone catch that?

They are not slutty or crapping out babies like women here in the u.s.

That is OFFENSIVE.

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posted May 09, 2014 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sibyl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, it is true. There is a bit of a baby boom going on in the US. But it is due to the ridiculous socio-economic inequality that inhibits the demographic transition.

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posted May 09, 2014 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by charmainec:
Yes, some of what he says isn't everyones cup of tea

Seriously, though.

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Originally posted by charmainec:
...but when straight out name calling and finger pointing ensues because there's a difference of opinion then obviously a fight is waiting to happen!

Sure, you are entitled to your opinion, Charmaine. I'm entitled to mine.

Mine is, members here should not blamed for noting that offensive remarks towards women are offensive.

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posted May 09, 2014 10:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sibyl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Oh I can agree with that 100%... But... As a guy I fault young women more because alot of them choose very questionable guys and this only enables those men's bad behavior. If more young women chose gentlemen you would see more young men being gentlemen and less young men turning to bad and anti-social behaviors to get women. that's my opinion anyway. Think about it this way... If most young women are sleeping with and dating thugs and bad boys what is the incentive for a guy to be a gentleman and date women in the traditional sense? And alot of women are constantly complaining about men's bad behavior yet they continue to date men who exhibit the bad behaviors they supposedly hate. And what is the bad boy's incentive to start being a nice guy if he is getting women and he is popular already? Its well known that rewarding bad behavior makes the situation worse.. Thats why you nip it in the bud and punish bad behavior. The fact of the matter is alot of young women reward men's bad behavior and it should be no surprise that these men continue to behave badly... If more women stood up to men's bad behavior and said "you know what I'm not putting up with this sh*t" and started dating more decent guys more men would follow suit. I'm not trying to say that women are completely responsible for mens bad behavior at all.. Although i know people will accuse me of saying this... All i'm saying is women have more power in the mating game and their decisions in men somewhat impact how men behave. And the trend right now is alot of women are rewarding bad behavior and you are seeing more men acting bad as a result.

Interesting perspective. You are essentially arguing women have more power over men than vice versa due to biology? I wonder what you think of the gender roles, and if this supposed generational shift (aka younger people's change of behavior) is due to increased gender equality/feminism?

No accusation. I'm curious. Is this your line of thought?

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posted May 09, 2014 10:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Faith:
Did everyone catch that?

[b]They are not slutty or crapping out babies like women here in the u.s.

That is OFFENSIVE.

[/B][/QUOT\]
Well Faith.. Maybe so... But then again I thought that it was incredibly offensive when a few of the women here who said "all men are potential rapists". But when I voiced that opinion I was shouted down and called a baby and told that if I was a good man I would understand that and be ok with that attitude.. And if memory serves me well you were one of the ones who told me that.. Again, just more proof on how biased people can be.

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posted May 09, 2014 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
If more women stood up to men's bad behavior and said "you know what I'm not putting up with this sh*t" and started dating more decent guys more men would follow suit

Look at this forum for example. Many of us are saying we won't put up with your constant insults, yet the owner and mods happen to think you are swell.

The power is on your side.

In society at large, the power is still on the men's side, too. It's like LL is a microcosm of larger social dynamics.

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posted May 09, 2014 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sibyl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
members here should not blamed for noting that offensive remarks towards women are offensive.

I agree. And it IS absolutely necessary. However I do not feel it is always done in an appropriate/proportional manner, which I think is a sticking point for people just as much as the vehement disagreement.

People call foul too quickly (the 'bullying' terminology), but then as much as I agree with most people criticizing offensive posts on previous threads concerning women, homosexuality etc, I too have reacted to the aggressive language being used in reaction to such posts at times.

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posted May 09, 2014 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
But then again I thought that it was incredibly offensive when a few of the women here who said "all men are potential rapists".

Your memory on that is flawed.

Go back and look at the rape thread, AG. You were the one who posted a link saying that women ought to anticipate that men are potential rapists and prepare themselves accordingly. YOU posted it. I was the one who said, "Wow, I'm amazed that you agree with that." And you basically conceded.

Anyone can re-read the rape thread and see for themselves.

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posted May 09, 2014 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sibyl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do sometimes find that anger carries on to other threads, which creates disproportionate reactions to posts that one disagrees with. This doesn't help anyone as an angry response to something is unlikely to inspire the other person to listen. Basically, there is something to be learned from the old wisdom of "if you get angry, you lose".

As reflected in my thread, http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum27/HTML/001788.html

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posted May 09, 2014 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sibyl:
However I do not feel it is always done in an appropriate/proportional manner, which I think is a sticking point for people just as much as the vehement disagreement.

What many of us have been calling for is better modship, which would eliminate or reduce some of the "vigilante" arguments. Instead, modship has been used to fan the flame.

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posted May 09, 2014 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sibyl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
What many of us have been calling for is better modship, which would eliminate or reduce some of the "vigilante" arguments. Instead, modship has been used to fan the flame.

I think that's a very valid point, however it is still possible to call for moderation of individual behavior and to instill a better culture for discussing here. Mods are only necessary for this if and when the "SP" community itself fails in doings so

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posted May 09, 2014 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sibyl:
Interesting perspective. You are essentially arguing women have more power over men than vice versa due to biology? I wonder what you think of the gender roles, and if this supposed generational shift (aka younger people's change of behavior) is due to increased gender equality/feminism?

No accusation. I'm curious. Is this your line of thought?



Well IMO all the dynamics of modern society have come together to create a perfect sh*t storm. Feminism, contraceptives, no fault divorce/high divorce rates, the government welfare system etc. have created an environment where there is no incentive for men to commit to women and be fathers/providers. In the past men could find a good wife if they had a stable job and resources. Men/fathers were respected and there was incentive to take on that role. But now the family court systems tend to screw men in divorces and divorces are more common then not and more men are realizing this and seeing the whole thing as high responsibility/liability and zero reward. At the same time women have incentives to divorce their husbands because they can get child support, foodstamps/welfare checks and other resources from the government. Also contraceptives/abortion have enabled women's promiscuity and men are thinking "why should I buy the cow when I can get the milk for free?" Its especially easy to see why that is true when you consider all the other stuff I mentioned before. Basically our society is fubar... And it almost seems like all of this is by design and we are being set-up for a societal collapse.

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