posted May 10, 2014 08:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
(though I think in most cases people don`t actually care about my opinion )

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What?!

Their loss, then.

posted May 10, 2014 08:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

ETA: One of the reasons I found 7th's post so instructive is, it serves as a template for how to interpret longstanding issues that manifest overtly; how our own behaviors can be decoded by looking at old demons.

I would actually want to have the same analysis and will try looking at my own issues the same way.

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I didn`t mean to criticize this post. *sighs* Of course it could be read that way. I think there is a lot of truth to it. Not just in relation to Ami, but to everyone.

Reminds me of the saying from the bible: "And why do you take note of the grain of dust in your brother's eye, but take no note of the bit of wood which is in your eye?"

I actually find that says it all.
However while sometimes it is the same issue we react to in another person, at other times there might be other reasons for getting us to re-act. If we find something to be completely unacceptable in our construction of the world, then we might react just as heavily.
So like in synastry, I believe, we can react because we subconsciously recognize the SAME issue in someone else, or we react because the other one seems to exhibit an issue/ thought that is completely OPPOSITE to our view of how the world should be.

I am possibly leaving out all shades of grey here, but that is just what I am thinking.

posted May 10, 2014 08:54 AM            

The thing I've hinted at and haven't really said, and haven't done a great job of displaying, either, is that I do not hate Ami at all. I want her to heal, same as anybody else.

If her behavior becomes a divisive issue on this forum (and it has-- repeatedly) then I think it's more because of her mod status, which is Randall's decision, and I've objected to that ad nauseum by now, and hope to not have to beat that dead horse any longer (my arm hurts after a while.) So if I want to mention that again, I will probably just link to this thread and leave it to the really curious and determined folks to dig it up from the archive.

But as others have said, being a mod when one is not equipped for it might prevent healing by giving a person a false sense of readiness for the position, when some...let's just say.....unevolved tendencies are still too pronounced for the group's well-being. And that could additionally spell drama and confusion for the mod in question, the one who already has enough on his or her plate...I'm talking about universal principles here but no, not meaning to sound like my truth is the truth (though on my own unevolved level, I can default to that, sure!)

I thought 7th did a good job of addressing Ami's exhibited behavior in rather universal, technical terms..and also with some gentleness...I didn't perceive any malice there, and I hope that anyone who read the post saw the good intentions that I saw. To me, it was not a weapon except against the kind of illusions that prevent people from seeing and therefore healing themselves, individually and collectively.

And it was really sublime.

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So like in synastry, I believe, we can react because we subconsciously recognize the SAME issue in someone else, or we react because the other one seems to exhibit an issue/ thought that is completely OPPOSITE to our view of how the world should be.

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Brilliant. YES.

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posted May 10, 2014 11:11 AM            

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Awesome

I know I can come across as obnoxious if I don't pay close attention to how I phrase things (3H Pluto trine 11H Gemini Mars and nitpicky 6H Aquarius Mercury, OMG) and sometimes I do fail in that, and need to apologize.

And thanks for forgiving me (yes? ) for taking so long to reply to your last email, I've been thinking of you but keep getting pulled over here in my spare time.

Wishing you Jupiter-sized happiness, as usual!

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Sometimes a bit get lost in this kind of communication.

posted May 10, 2014 11:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Well, the people with complaints about LL are still here and posting, so that shows there is a place in LL for everyone

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posted May 10, 2014 01:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Well, the people with complaints about LL are still here and posting, so that shows there is a place in LL for everyone

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LL has an unique energy. I am sure people appreciate that. Still, that is not an excuse to ignore constructive criticism. We should always seek to better ourselves.

Knowflakes have complained repeatedly about the moderation here. I don't think it's wise to shrug it off by saying hey, you're still posting so it's ok. It's not ok. We should be better people, as Mods we should lead by example. If not, stop moderating. Plenty of regular knowflakes make meaningful contributions without being Mods. It does not erase anyone's merits. Modship should be about something else, that's my personal view on it.

We're all on a path of soul growth here, otherwise we wouldn't have joined LL. LL is not *just* an astrology site. It is so much more than that. There's a TON of wisdom here. We should strive to live up to that.

I think maybe we can try to see these complaints from a different angle. It's not because knowflakes don't appreciate LL, I think it's quite the opposite. Like many of us, they found a home, a safe haven, a family. People wouldn't criticize it if they didn't care about LL, if they wouldn't be invested here and wanted to see LL grow even more spectacular and be more thriving. Knowflakes often make suggestions/recommendations for the site because they care. Maybe some need to work on the delivery - GRANTED. We're all learning here. Criticism/complaints do not equal total lack of appreciation, as many Virgo influenced people will confirm.

posted May 11, 2014 04:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Well my ex was on a sports forum and the crap they were throwing around at each other was miles worse than anything I have ever seen on LL... Every second word was a swear word. But the majority were guys, and here the majority are female. That might explain it.
If someone on that ^ forum said they felt they needed to be rough around the edges to continue posting there - I wouldn't be surprised.

But honestly.. LL seems very tame to me and everyone is well behaved overall.. by contrast to many other forums.

I'm surprised some people are finding LL unfriendly. I mean I find the general vibe here positive and uplifting. I was hoping Barbie would stay. Her posts were fun and interesting & I love her little emoticons Maybe you could convince her to come back DP?
Personally, I don't find anything anyone said (that I've seen) to be that offensive or that serious. I think people should simply disengage with the posters they have issues with.

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There's been some incidents, some that didn't even involve me directly that I'm shocked at how they were handled OR people assuming things about me. I won't mention anything specific.
I'm a little harsh. I tend not to give many chances with anything and I say screw it.
One mishandled incident or one harsh judgement and people start getting wrote off.

Anyway I appreciate people being understanding of what I'm saying and responding with kindness minus an individual or two.

Barbie... Well truthfully I try not to bring her up out of respect for her since she left. I'll only say this...
As a simple update, things with us are as wonderful as ever. It STILL just keeps getting better! We're both different (better) people together than we are single or with anyone else. I didn't know I had this side.
And the other... I don't see her coming back. She could change her mind but she seems pretty content doing 100% without.

I've been a little closer lately myself than I wish to. I'll keep some distance after this thread.
It really was chance that I saw this and happened to be mentioned.

posted May 11, 2014 03:17 PM            

You know you are very loved and for the time you were here, really became part of us.

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posted May 11, 2014 05:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
If a person on here makes a nasty/vicious comment to you, just ignore. That person cannot fight alone. That person will feel foolish that his nasty comment is just standing there with no response and that will be your revenge

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I've noticed that when people ignore your nasty comments that you seem to mistake that for agreement or backing down (when it's not) rather than you feeling foolish.

posted May 11, 2014 06:22 PM            

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revenge

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Is that a good motivation?

posted May 12, 2014 10:52 AM            

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[b]but most people come back and THAT says it all

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posted May 12, 2014 11:51 AM            

Ellyn, that picture is hilarious. And it reminds me of a South Park episode.

posted May 12, 2014 11:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
Thanks, Ami!

Ellyn, that picture is hilarious. And it reminds me of a South Park episode.

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I got yours, Violets and I think it is perfect. Tell me if it touches you

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posted May 12, 2014 12:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
Thanks, Ami!

Ellyn, that picture is hilarious. And it reminds me of a South Park episode.

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So true

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posted May 12, 2014 01:28 PM            

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(For the record, I do not shop at Wal-Mart.)

Ami, I loved the song. It definitely hit home for me in a very touching way.

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Thank you, Violets! xxx

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posted May 12, 2014 06:33 PM            

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@7th Guardian

If only she could thank you for that.

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No! Please Nooooo! O_O! In her current condition - "she only says thank you to her victims". So, no - i don't wanna be in that position. I've been there in the beginning - when i didn't knew any better - and looking back... it feels like an abuse (i was in a dark place at that time and my mind was to clouded to make any sense in that direction - a perfect prey). The truth is - i wrote that post but i didn't wanna submit it (i do this sometimes - this days... i write something - then i close it at the end) - "cause i knew - it wouldn't help her" - yet... i submitted it anyway (i guess i did that - while thinking of what you wrote in the other topic... that - it might help others). In her case, might be to late for a self-help solution. I mean, she's feeding that demon for years now - at least 2 years from what I'm aware of (by her words it's been much longer than that) and her situation hasn't changed much. There's even a pattern: whenever somebody tries to sympathize/empathize and gives her a honest reply - besides thank you she ads something like "this helped a lot/I'm seeing things clear now/i feel like i accomplished a lot (or other stuff that would imply a break through towards healing)" - though, sometimes - a day might pass till she starts a new topic - with same hopeless attitude. Based on above analogy - it's a lot like "feeding time (like feeding a pet)". In her condition - couple of months in a rehab type of therapy and a good therapist (this could the hardest part - finding a good and "honest" therapist) - might help. In a peaceful place far away from her mother, a place with recreational activities (like gardening - if she's into that) - but "no internet access" and no phones allowed either. By the looks of it - it's like dealing with an addiction - which requires an extended brake of habit - till one can move forward.

My 2 cents.

If what i said helps others in some way (even - it's just understanding) that's good enough for me. And Thanx.