posted May 27, 2014 08:39 AM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
No, I'm not talking about a man whom you love and are commitmented to; but this modern and very insane idea that women owe sex to any man that she is friends with or he did a favor for. This isn't a "old traditional Western value" they like to naively proclaim, but just made by socially-crippled painfully whiny men with extreme mental issues and no charm or grace.

So where did this come from? Birthed from the mental ill internet warriors who are shunned by everybody? Roosh V comes to mind, the spiritually empty man whose only facets can offer is being a sad braggart of sexual prowess.

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I just want to put my own two cents in on this thread topic,first off i think it's disgusting as a man myself to see so many other men who do have this kind of mentality.
I feel ashamed of men who feel entitled to sex,and dislike that and i'm not saying that everyone but some people will place the few men who are good and honest men who actually have respect for women into the same kind of category.

It's nasty to me when these men with these kinds of thoughts.

Think that they can...1)Even think that in this life,in this world that they deserve anything especially deserve a woman to spread her legs wide eagle because he feels he is entitled to the pleasures of sex.That is abusing women without even actually causing any harm to an actual real life woman in a physical or emotional way.

The man already has the idea planted in his head to abuse a woman through sex,that's wrong.

2)It's one thing to be friends with a woman, it doesn't mean you can ask for sex and no man has any right to that.

3)I don't agree with that bs about men were born to have sex,so it's alright because it's what men are for.Men are more than just a good lay,i can't stand this idea that men=sex
why? Because we have a pointer that's like saying a woman can have kids and if she doesn't she is not doing what she was programmed to do.That is an insult to me as a man,that all i'm programmed to do with my body is lay everything in sight.It's also an insult to every other guy,the ones who raise a family,the ones who work hard,the ones who adore and love they're wife family dog mother mother in law who ever else.It's also an insult to women because it's like saying the only purpose a woman has is to be screwed with by a man.

4)I think the only way this kind of mentality would apply to any man is if he was the kind of man who didn't have a strong father figure,a man who is full of himself and a man who just doesn't/didn't ever learn the concept of discipline.Urges are urges but because we fee them does not mean we have to give in,although a lot of people say that if you don't act on it you'll likely become repressed or resent yourself or women.

5)While i don't think the internet birthed this kind of mentality,i will admit that the media the movies internet and all of these thing's have contributed and spawned new ways of gaining sexual gratification for some of these men.I think they have progressed the idea of what sex means to some men,it's drawn a new line for some of these men out there and they've crossed it because in they're minds they think it's what's right.While the rest of us shake our heads and think huh?

posted May 27, 2014 08:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
I'm not trying to understand sexism. Frankly, I admit that I don't understand discrimination. I'm just pointing out an inconsistency in logic. And, of course, relaying my own personal experiences as a male among other males.

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I hope this is poor word choice on your part, because it may be misinterpreted and taken the wrong way. Failing to willingly learn and understand sexism and discrimination is why we have problems in society today. Too many people are willing to ignore things or accept them as is.

Knowledge is the greatest power one can possess. You can't really point out inconsistencies unless you are truly educated on the issue. You are correct in telling your experiences a male, it is important to share them.

posted May 27, 2014 09:00 AM            

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Originally posted by AqMoon:
I just want to put my own two cents in on this thread topic,first off i think it's disgusting as a man myself to see so many other men who do have this kind of mentality.
I feel ashamed of men who feel entitled to sex,and dislike that and i'm not saying that everyone but some people will place the few men who are good and honest men who actually have respect for women into the same kind of category.

It's nasty to me when these men with these kinds of thoughts.

Think that they can...1)Even think that in this life,in this world that they deserve anything especially deserve a woman to spread her legs wide eagle because he feels he is entitled to the pleasures of sex.That is abusing women without even actually causing any harm to an actual real life woman in a physical or emotional way.

The man already has the idea planted in his head to abuse a woman through sex,that's wrong.

2)It's one thing to be friends with a woman, it doesn't mean you can ask for sex and no man has any right to that.

3)I don't agree with that bs about men were born to have sex,so it's alright because it's what men are for.Men are more than just a good lay,i can't stand this idea that men=sex
why? Because we have a pointer that's like saying a woman can have kids and if she doesn't she is not doing what she was programmed to do.That is an insult to me as a man,that all i'm programmed to do with my body is lay everything in sight.It's also an insult to every other guy,the ones who raise a family,the ones who work hard,the ones who adore and love they're wife family dog mother mother in law who ever else.It's also an insult to women because it's like saying the only purpose a woman has is to be screwed with by a man.

4)I think the only way this kind of mentality would apply to any man is if he was the kind of man who didn't have a strong father figure,a man who is full of himself and a man who just doesn't/didn't ever learn the concept of discipline.Urges are urges but because we fee them does not mean we have to give in,although a lot of people say that if you don't act on it you'll likely become repressed or resent yourself or women.

5)While i don't think the internet birthed this kind of mentality,i will admit that the media the movies internet and all of these thing's have contributed and spawned new ways of gaining sexual gratification for some of these men.I think they have progressed the idea of what sex means to some men,it's drawn a new line for some of these men out there and they've crossed it because in they're minds they think it's what's right.While the rest of us shake our heads and think huh?

It really just does depend on the kind of personality a guy has,if he blows hot smoke or needs the constant ego strokes then don't be surprised if this is the kind of man that feels the need to want more stroking.

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posted May 27, 2014 09:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
MRA's really advocate men shooting other men over dating successes? From what I've read they mostly complain about the legal system being tilted in favor of women in family court.

And there is a strong possibility he was merely mentally unstable, he could have been a Brony and still did what he did. Though from what I've read he did appear to be a self hating racist which in some ways makes him different from the avg George Sodini type of screwball.

Further a 22 yr old MRA activist makes very little sense, he was not even in any relationship at any point in his life, not exactly someone who was upset with his treatment in court.

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Being hailed a hero on the site at least implies that some men were supportive of his actions. May even inspire others to do the same, which is common when it comes to these extreme ideologies.
http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2014/05/elliot-rodger-hailed-a-hero-on-puahate-women-hating-pick-up-artist-site/

posted May 27, 2014 09:51 AM            

It comes off very arrogant to YOU. Last time I looked, you didn't speak for everyone. I think you have a great deal of hubris which is probably based on being a young person who thinks she knows it all.

When you have had more life experience, you will learn that you don't and will gain more humility, if you are open to it, which is key. I hope you are.

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posted May 27, 2014 09:52 AM            

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Originally posted by ariestaurus:
Being hailed a hero on the site at least implies that some men were supportive of his actions. May even inspire others to do the same, which is common when it comes to these extreme ideologies.
http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2014/05/elliot-rodger-hailed-a -hero-on-puahate-women-hating-pick-up-artist-site/

Also, on these sites, the resentment towards men who can get women is palpable. All originating from the frustration of not being able to get girls, themselves. Also, members post pics and others comment about them, calling them ugly, feminine, 'no wonder you can't get a girl, you f*g' and the like. Lots of anger, lots of hate. Very toxic.

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THAT is a great example of the slant some are trying to put on his actions.

"PUAHATE" is NOT a pick up artist sight..at all..they are anti pick up artist/anti even self improvement. Their outlook is "be good looking and have lots of money, it is the only way".

Hmm, belongs to a PUAHATE forum, but subbed to a couple of PUA type youtube channels. Interestingly, one of those channels is more about that sort of grand view of Black History..wonder if he just subbed to them but did not watch them.

posted May 27, 2014 09:57 AM            

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Originally posted by ariestaurus:
And here is an article which addresses the 'merely mentally ill' argument. Would be interested to see what you all think
htt p://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/26/santa-barbara-shootings-show-that-hating-women-is-an-ideology-and-killing-people-for-ideological-reasons-is-terrorism.html

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When I look at the facts, not the opinion, the writer pointed out that more women then men are shot on college shooting rampages, IIRC there are more women enrolled in college then men so it MAY not be out of line with the demographics of a typical college campus.

The more interesting question to me, to go to the OP is, are those shootings a result of the feeling of being entitled to sex and demanding to have sex, and not having it happen.

posted May 27, 2014 10:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
THAT is a great example of the slant some are trying to put on his actions.

"PUAHATE" is NOT a pick up artist sight..at all..they are anti pick up artist/anti even self improvement. Their outlook is "be good looking and have lots of money, it is the only way".

Hmm, belongs to a PUAHATE forum, but subbed to a couple of PUA type youtube channels. Interestingly, one of those channels is more about that sort of grand view of Black History..wonder if he just subbed to them but did not watch them.

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Yes, it's obvious that it's not a pick up artist site... it's called puaHATE, after all..

posted May 27, 2014 10:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b]I hope this is poor word choice on your part, because it comes off as very ignorant.

It comes off very arrogant to you. Last time I looked, you didn't speak for everyone. I think you have a great deal of hubris which is probably based on being a young person who thinks she knows it all.

When you have had more life experience, you will learn that you don't and will gain more humility, if you are open to it, which is key. I hope you are.

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Yes, because giving a post giving caution to word choice is arrogant. I am not saying Randell is ignorant, nor do I think so, just the word choice wasn't the best.

I'm not speaking for everyone, not sure why your claiming this. You don't know anything about me, so there is need to act patronizing to me. At all.

Life experience isn't an appropriate comment either, because once again you do not know me.

posted May 27, 2014 10:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Um, 95 percent? Your math skills could use fine-tuning. We get almost 15,000 unique visitors a day with only a literal handful who seem obsessed with Ami.

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That's really besides the point. The issue at hand is, how many people frequent Sweet Peas, and among them, what percentage has explicitly expressed strong dissatisfaction with Ami's moderation? That figure is well over 50%, and includes several other moderators who've been mistreated by Ami. As you know.

When you are ready to talk real math and face the actual "statistics" of Sweet Peas, the facts are right there, available for whatever rigorous analysis you can apply to them. And they are closer to T's figure than yours.

I doubt you will ever be interested in using math to establish facts, though, so why do you even bother pretending?

As ariestaurus was saying, the trouble is mostly because of Ami's misogyny, and most of us here are women. We would have to hate ourselves to agree with her. Just the other day I saw her saying, "I want to slap women who do this."

Nobody else here talks like that. And women are RIGHT to fight back against people talking about us this way. We are absolutely right, and this is not a minor issue just because this is a relatively obscure forum.

posted May 27, 2014 10:09 AM            

If people don't know YOU. You don't know other people like me or AG or others to whom you address your remarks.

This is probably a good lesson for everyone, though

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posted May 27, 2014 10:13 AM            

LL is rising to the top so fast, more so every day. I have an Alexa toolbar on my website, so I can see the readings for other websites.

This means that LL is visited, valued and appreciated by thousands of people, worldwide, every single day.

These facts are undisputed. If you have a problem with me or anyone, ignore. The fact that you can't does not reflect on me, but on you.

Learning to ignore the people you don't like is a lesson that will serve for your entire life. The alternative is jumping in like a wild person when you don't like someone/something. That is called immaturity

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posted May 27, 2014 10:27 AM            

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Originally posted by ariestaurus:
Yes, it's obvious that it's not a pick up artist site... it's called puaHATE, after all..

I'm not surprised he subbed to PUA youtube channels at all..

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And Game of Thrones, which apparently inspired him to consider going on a spree at a mall food court..and video game channels etc.

Hard to get a read on this guy tbh, a self hating half Malaysian who was a loner who watched PUA/Seduction youtube stuff and was really active on PUA hate.

Could be he'd watch the pua stuff (though player supreme is anti PUA and more about self improvement on his older vids) to then complain about it on PUA hate.

RSD Tyler runs seminars either free or paid, which would dovetail with material to be used on PUAhate

My take on it all is self improvement is useful, PUA stuff is not so useful as it only amps up the neediness for sex in guys who are not very competent to begin with, ie, magic tricks

posted May 27, 2014 11:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
When I look at the facts, not the opinion, the writer pointed out that more women then men are shot on college shooting rampages, IIRC there are more women enrolled in college then men so it MAY not be out of line with the demographics of a typical college campus.

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The divide between male vs female in college is, on average, 43% to 56%, respectively. So, the ratio is 1.3 women to 1 man in college. how does that explain the 2 to 1 ratio between female shooting victims vs. males shooting victims? You're probably going to say the stats are faulty, now, though.

Also, this is from the FBI (fbi.gov) report on college violence (including murder, assault, sexual violence):

"Efforts were made to gather information regarding the subjects who carried out the attacks. The majority of incidents were perpetrated by one individual (n = 270) and, of those, most of the subjects were male (94 percent, n = 254).31 In the incidents where age was reported (n = 260), the range was 16 to 62, with an average age of 28 (Mdn = 25, mode = 20). "

Table 7: Factors that Motivated or Triggered the Directed Assaults

Related to an Intimate Relationship 77 33.9
Retaliation for Specific Action(s) 31 13.7
Refused Advances or Obsession with the Target 23 10.1
Response to Academic Stress/Failure 23 10.1
Acquaintance/Stranger Based Sexual Violence 22 9.7
Psychotic Actions 18 7.9
Workplace Dismissal/Sanction 14 6.2
Need to Kill / Specific Victimology 7 3.1
Draw Attention to Self/Issue(s) 7 3.1
Bias Related 5 2.2
Total 227 100

posted May 27, 2014 11:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
And Game of Thrones, which apparently inspired him to consider going on a spree at a mall food court..and video game channels etc.

Hard to get a read on this guy tbh, a self hating half Malaysian who was a loner who watched PUA/Seduction youtube stuff and was really active on PUA hate.

Could be he'd watch the pua stuff (though player supreme is anti PUA and more about self improvement on his older vids) to then complain about it on PUA hate.

RSD Tyler runs seminars either free or paid, which would dovetail with material to be used on PUAhate

My take on it all is self improvement is useful, PUA stuff is not so useful as it only amps up the neediness for sex in guys who are not very competent to begin with, ie, magic tricks

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I think what happens is:

Romantically frustrated guy tries to get help from PUA site, fails, gets mad at PUA site. Again, blaming others for his own failures. Nothing is "his" fault; he called himself a "god", the "perfect" guy, after all.

posted May 27, 2014 11:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:

Here is what I don't understand, and never have AG. Assume all of that is the real world on the ground truth of the matter.

Single mother household, told several things that turned out to be untrue, lied to by women one is interested in.

The next step would then be to accept that as truth, and find the best strategy to deal with that reality rather than complain about it all?

This is unpolitik, however I learned early on complaining..does no good at all, in fact it sounds very much like whinning, which is really unmanly, rather than acting which is manly. IDK if you have ever been told that simple truth of life.

I'll give you an example, was working with my surperviser(ette) yesterday and out of the blue she tells me "You are Sexy"..pretended not to hear it, so she repeated it a couple of times..to follow your line of thinking I should then run screaming to the HR dept instead of accepting the compliment and moving on w/an ego boost (not that I needed it)

For a woman though, they literally are barraged with that sort of thing even walking down the street..I'm sure they get tired of it and as a coping mechanism, since a fist fight etc is not really most woman's forte', they learn to deflect and distract and yes lie, as over time they learn those are the most effective tools they can use.

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posted May 27, 2014 12:06 PM            

For me, there was no chemistry between myself and the date I had. He made it up in his head. I think he may have been socially awkward and the type to write stories in his head and practice recalling them instead of paying attention to me for clues that everything was okay. We had a good time until he decided that he wanted what he wanted and pretended to see things that weren't there.

As a woman, I am often shamed for my sexuality.

Well, this could be a long story filled with examples but blah lol.

posted May 27, 2014 12:15 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[QUOTE] I think alot of guys are trying to de-program themselves of all the garbage and trying to discover how to be masculine in a positive way that is attractive to women. I know that is what I have been trying to do.

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posted May 27, 2014 12:36 PM            

He is here trying to grow, change and make sense out of his life. Unless you are perfect, snarkiness shows you up, not him.

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posted May 27, 2014 12:46 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
No, I'm not talking about a man whom you love and are commitmented to; but this modern and very insane idea that women owe sex to any man that she is friends with or he did a favor for. This isn't a "old traditional Western value" they like to naively proclaim, but just made by socially-crippled painfully whiny men with extreme mental issues and no charm or grace.

So where did this come from? Birthed from the mental ill internet warriors who are shunned by everybody? Roosh V comes to mind, the spiritually empty man whose only facets can offer is being a sad braggart of sexual prowess.

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I couldn't read the rest of the thread, it seems derailed from its original purpose, so sorry if I repeat certain things.

Men, in fact most males from most species, are biologically sexually aggressive. I'm not talking here about rape or anything, they are let's say "proactive", this is their biological role (of most males in most male species, including mammals) to initiate, to "score". It is not sexual per se, it is related to reproduction. There is a comparison in behavorial psychology with sports: the man is the Goal-getter, the woman the Gatekeeper. The female's role in this is to select the best male for reproduction, and one of the criteria is how he approaches her for sex.

The way civilized, modern men manage to combine their biology with the requirements of modern society and manners, varies. Most men seem to handle it quite well.

I guess it's up to you to "select" the one suitable for you.

On another note, sexism still exists, obviously. Now there's also sexism against men, so...yeah it takes some time for things to get balanced.