posted December 28, 2014 04:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:

The majority of LL has little to no Mod intervention. A tightening of the reins is required in times of conflict, but after the conflict passes, those areas of LL are almost wide open.

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posted December 28, 2014 04:43 AM            

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
So you are one thing as a "poster" and another as a mod? How does that work, exactly? You either abide by your rules, seeing that you have "Moderator" written under your name no matter WHERE you post and therefore should assume that responsibility and remain consistent or for the sake of everyone here, forfeit your modship. I don't see how you think you can play different roles that suit your agenda and not own up to the fact that you are doing so. Wow.

EDIT: I love how your feelings are "truth" but mine are ban-worthy? True.

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Wow you really don't get it. My modship has nothing to do with that post or any other post. I posted it, it's not life or death. It isn't something to make such a big deal out of. Stop reading so deeply into things. There was no secret motive, victimizing or complaining on my part. I posted it, it's been over since Friday morning. Let it go. Again there are no feelings on my part, I state my opinion. You can take it or leave it. Quit with the drama.

posted December 28, 2014 04:50 AM              

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
Wow you really don't get it. My modship has nothing to do with that post or any other post. I posted it, it's not life or death. It isn't something to make such a big deal out of. Stop reading so deeply into things. There was no secret motive, victimizing on my part. I posted it, it's been over since Friday morning. Let it go. Again there are no feelings on my part, I stated my opinion. Quit with the drama.

Good night.

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So if it's not such a big deal, why are you so quick to shut us down for posting how we feel too? Are our feelings inferior to yours? I don't get it.

posted December 28, 2014 05:58 AM            

Most of you are my friends, and I am dedicated to you in my own way. No more, and no less than anyone else here.

Just stop it.

posted December 28, 2014 07:08 AM              

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
Because you guys can't let it go. The threads are closed for a reason, PD. You don't stop. How clearer would you like for me or Randall or anyone else here to explain it to you? It isn't fair that the whole site has to bow down to what the 4 of you want. You are the only 4 who do this.

You can't go forward constantly looking back. Stop looking back and move forward. Let insignificant, petty crap go. Don't involve your feelings in these things, it's just not necessary and only creates more problems for you. Stop taking things so personally.

We're supposed to have fun, enjoy ourselves here. The fighting back needs to stop. Just abide by the rules. Don't bite off the hand that feeds you.

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I just reread this and I must say... Notice your tone, your word choice, how you are speaking... What's with the hostility? Like really? You speak so offensively and antagonistically, please be more cordial.

What the "4 of us" really want is to be left alone, not worshipped LOL. It's actually that simple, and yet you can't help but aggrandize the situation making weird remarks about expecting the whole site to bow down to us (uncalled for). There really is no need for you or others who are clearly on bad terms with the main contributors of a thread to constantly budge in, the latest incident happened because of an unnecessary instigation. I know you insist but we are telling you, it is okay to leave us be. That is what we want.

Also, how and why on earth the first thread got closed is beyond me, though. Who perpetuated the drama there? It could have easily been handled, which is why I kindly suggested Randall play more of a mediating role. Bella removed herself from the conversation after she rightfully defended herself, Faith made one remark to comfort Bella and moved on to posting random stuff, and T and I weren't even there. So...? How did the "4 of us" not let it go? It's like you expect us to take a beating with a smile. No one would do that, certainly not someone as combative as you are, Barbie.

If you were hanging out with friends in a cafe, would you like someone you and your friends clearly have issues with barge into your rendezvous and keep lurking around you and your friends? No. This is the same here. Anyone can post, sure. But it is common decency to keep out of a place where you are more likely unwanted. The drama ALWAYS starts because people who don't need to be posting drop baiting comments and leave.

"The same could be applied to those who constantly complain and cry foe about it, and are the one's who continue to be passive and rude in their comments. That's continuing drama is it not?" Perfect self-applicable advice you gave there, Barbie. Your 2.0 post was a violation of this. I bring it up because it's really important to this discussion. Don't do what you warn others not to! Very simple and "logical".

Don't bite the hand that fed me? Sure. By the same token, let's remind the hand that fed me not to feed me poison or slap my face after every miserly offering.

Barbie, I can always count on you to miss the point and make remarks of absolutely no relevance, which is probably why it took me so long to respond to this: it didn't contribute to the conversation, because it (the conversation) kept going with or without your hostility.

posted December 28, 2014 08:09 AM            

"Sit around the battle ground, wrestle on the floor near the hot and searing fires with a battleaxe like Linda used to do, or just swing your sword on the front line...and have a casual fight of complete bloodshed with your Lindaland non-family and close enemies; this is a Forum about destroying."

Sorry couldn't resist.

Think I'll stay at the pub.

posted December 28, 2014 08:18 AM            

You cannot stake out a place on LL that is off limits to others. If I wanted to do that, I would find a place to do that which I made myself, not continually try to push the limits of Randall's VERY GENEROUS PATIENCE.

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posted December 28, 2014 08:33 AM            

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posted December 28, 2014 08:44 AM            

Tbh I'd be happy to keep to my prescribed areas as it's obvious to me how this works. If only it weren't that it then allows people to make very unfair JABS at others such as Ami. But yeah, I'd just leave it as it is because passive aggressiveness is a very slow process, at least.

Btw, it does seem to be to do with BarbieGirl too but you are doing a great job.

I'd just leave it as is. It will die down. Maybe people had surplus anger over the last round too.

posted December 28, 2014 09:26 AM            

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posted December 28, 2014 09:51 AM            

Locks are ugly but at least no one can hide their behavior which would cause more tension and drama. It becomes he said/she said and no end to it.

Deleting threads leaves it open to posters (knowing their words will be deleted) to threaten, Bullying and intimidate others.

It will create greater suspicion and cause more problems that a simple lock.

Let past deletion history at Lindaland, teach us how to move forward without the need for deleting threads again .

Censoring people will not cure the underlying problem. Let`s find and fix that first.

What is causing the patterns of behavior in the first place???

posted December 28, 2014 09:55 AM            

In social environments, you will have cliques. You can't control that.
It's not automatically a bad thing.

I promise you that each and every time that you try to either force yourself into a clique, or try to break up a clique, there WILL be fighting. Period, end of story.
If LL is so open and free and mods are also encouraged to express themselves. That freedom will lead to cliques. Some people will naturally be drawn to each other.
Then if you try to change it.....
See I don't understand how this simple concept isn't....
I mean....
Were some of you home schooled in a basement with no TV or something?

By design due to the rules you could say that mods are a clique. People are BARELY allowed to stand up for themselves against a mod. "You don't talk to mods this way", " Respect the mods". "Mods by rule have to support each other"....
"Mods are encouraged to express themselves".
Expression of ourselves, yes. How do you think fights come about? Except, we can BARELY defend ourselves. Like mods can never do wrong. I've seen members banned for very little but never a mod demoted for doing a bad job. One mod here is the cause of almost half the chaos in this place.

It's almost comical how PURPOSEFULLY ignorant people have become to things around here.

posted December 28, 2014 10:03 AM            

If you start deleting threads that are locked then you might as well delete them everywhere. There shouldn't BE locked threads, technically. Whether it's in sweet peas or anywhere. Something obviously went wrong. Shouldn't happen.

Deleting them is a bad idea to me. Sure it might look nice but threads get opened now to continue old and you might have people endlessly fighting about "you said...."
"No I didn't!!"
As well as even though a thread is locked it may have some useful things in it. Yes, even in HH.

posted December 28, 2014 10:08 AM            

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In social environments, you will have cliques. You can't control that.
It's not automatically a bad thing.

I promise you that each and every time that you try to either force yourself into a clique, or try to break up a clique, there WILL be fighting. Period, end of story.
If LL is so open and free and mods are also encouraged to express themselves. That freedom will lead to cliques. Some people will naturally be drawn to each other.

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Yes, psych 101. Clique`s are the social behavior of humans.
It is when the cliques become rival gangs,
one holding power, the other none, that we find the tensions.

Deleting threads are not the checks and balances needed to resolve the rivalry or imbalance here. That simply reinforces the cliques and feeling of powerlessness.

As a Mod, I see power trips by both Mods and posters. I let a lot of it slip by because I can not control their emotions by telling them to be happy or "stop it".

We, as Mods, are to be fair and impartial so others can build trust in the system.

How do we do this?? Maybe posters and Mods can speak up and help find the balance.

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posted December 28, 2014 10:12 AM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Let's all take a self-pleasuring break and release some tension. Maybe a few times.

In social environments, you will have cliques. You can't control that.
It's not automatically a bad thing.

I [b]promise you that each and every time that you try to either force yourself into a clique, or try to break up a clique, there WILL be fighting. Period, end of story.
If LL is so open and free and mods are also encouraged to express themselves. That freedom will lead to cliques. Some people will naturally be drawn to each other.
Then if you try to change it.....
See I don't understand how this simple concept isn't....
I mean....
Were some of you home schooled in a basement with no TV or something?

By design due to the rules you could say that mods are a clique. People are BARELY allowed to stand up for themselves against a mod. "You don't talk to mods this way", " Respect the mods". "Mods by rule have to support each other"....
"Mods are encouraged to express themselves".
Expression of ourselves, yes. How do you think fights come about? Except, we can BARELY defend ourselves. Like mods can never do wrong. I've seen members banned for very little but never a mod demoted for doing a bad job. One mod here is the cause of almost half the chaos in this place.

It's almost comical how PURPOSEFULLY ignorant people have become to things around here.

But you know... I've been down this road a few times already.
There's one mod, just one, if you really look very carefully, that is poison in this system and unfortunately they are not going anywhere. Many have tried. [/B]

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If I thought it was really about moderation - that's one thing but it doesn't seem that way. It's become very personal and actually makes a mockery of any true desire to reform or contest authority.

posted December 28, 2014 10:21 AM            

Ami likes to start trouble.
Ami likes to push buttons.
Ami KNOWS she is not particularly liked there.

Can she post there? Absolutely. The ultimate answer is to ignore everything she posts. It's the only way.

But she does it. It irritates people, drama gets started. She gets her drama fix, and Randall has her back, every time.

Don't think she likes drama? Just ask me how many times I've been privately messaged in the past to look at this thread or that one or look at what they're saying. Followed by talking behind their back.

There.... Black and white for you.
Truth told, consequences be damned.

posted December 28, 2014 10:28 AM            

It will not work because hate implodes on itself. It reaches a critical mass in which it cannot continue such as Bella OPENLY mocking my article, not just throwing covert jabs.

Any endeavor based on hate or fueled with hate, such as excluding people from threads, will die.

Randall has had LL for over 12 years because it is based on love.

The people who want to hate seem to leave, in time. HOWEVER, they are always replaced by new names and new faces, as is the nature of life on this flawed earth lol

This particular situation is not new and will NEVER change, just the people and faces, not the dynamics.

If you don't know that, you need to learn wisdom--said with love lol

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posted December 28, 2014 10:37 AM            

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Originally posted by florence:
If I thought it was really about moderation - that's one thing but it doesn't seem that way. It's become very personal and actually makes a mockery of any true desire to reform or contest authority.

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This is the utmost truth. It's gotten waaaaay too personal here when it shouldn't have.

posted December 28, 2014 10:47 AM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
You want it black and white?

Ami likes to start trouble.
Ami likes to push buttons.
Ami KNOWS she is not particularly liked there.

Can she post there? Absolutely. The ultimate answer is to ignore everything she posts. It's the only way.

But she does it. It irritates people, drama gets started. She gets her drama fix, and Randall has her back, every time.

Don't think she likes drama? Just ask me how many times I've been privately messaged in the past to look at this thread or that one or look at what they're saying. Followed by talking behind their back.

There.... Black and white for you.
Truth told, consequences be damned.

I don't post this as an attack. I just removed the blanket off the truth.

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Ok, I appreciate the openness. I honestly do think it's as much a response to treatment here. And not only do others communicate about others (ami) behind her back but this is alluded to here albeit without details. That's a certain kind of cruelty to make someone known they are being insulted without the content.