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Ami Anne
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posted December 28, 2014 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is my opinion

1. No H and H

2. No exclusive threads.

3. No shunning of anyone by saying you don't want them on your threads.

4. Mods follow the rules of stepping in as the guidelines tell us, although we are human and can't please everyone

5. Expect some degree of conflict in a diverse group of people

6. Expect that Mods will have to step in at times and people won't like it.

7. Ban for reasons Randall does, as of now.

8.My final thought is that certain people will not like each other. Certain people will be suspicious of each other. That will NEVER change. The rules just have to be as clear as possible and the ones I listed seem clear.


That is my opinion, anyway

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PisceanDream
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posted December 28, 2014 03:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami, how do I stir up trouble exactly? My incessant objection to the modship here is all thanks to yours truly! Don't you ever forget that. I don't need to act innocent, I have been speaking my mind since the opening of this thread. Clear cut.

I have a question, if you have such strong opinions and beliefs on my character, why did you open a thread for me on H&H? That to me is a description of "stirring trouble and then acting innocent".

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Faith
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posted December 28, 2014 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
PD stirs up trouble and then acts innocent.

Project much???


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Ami Anne
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posted December 28, 2014 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
Ami, how do I stir up trouble exactly? My incessant objection to the modship here is all thanks to yours truly! Don't you ever forget that. I don't need to act innocent, I have been speaking my mind since the opening of this thread. Clear cut.

I have a question, if you have such strong opinions and beliefs on my character, why did you open a thread for me on H&H? That to me is a description of "stirring trouble and then acting innocent".



YOU stir up sooooooo much trouble that it is really an art LOL

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Faith
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posted December 28, 2014 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The trouble is IN the forum. PD is describing the chaos she sees.

As usual, the messenger gets shot.

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PisceanDream
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posted December 28, 2014 04:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sure there must have been NO trouble until I started actively posting here on September, then!

Oh I am quite a revolutionary, Ami! If I have to go to extremes to prove a point, then I will. And I will let time reveal and expose you for the person that you are.

*I request that everyone, ANYONE who goes through any of the unfairness here instigated by Ami (and others) to remember this message. It will all make sense, very soon!*

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DeepFreeze
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posted December 28, 2014 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hell... If I have a fight with my own family or wife even, we give some cool down time.
Certainly that would apply here, wouldn't it?
Bad idea to just jump in threads after such things.
Common sense regarding relationships if you ask me.

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juniperb
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posted December 28, 2014 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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YOU stir up sooooooo much trouble that it is really an art LOL

These type of comments by Mods are a contributing factor of the ongoing problem here.

Ami, they don`t like you. Please like your self enough to back out gracefully and accept it.

Allow them to be in the peace you enjoy.

For goodness sakes, this isn`t an ego contest so please quit with the snark and move forward to a solution.

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florence
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posted December 28, 2014 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The problem with people keeping to certain areas, is if people can't mix in here it doesn't give much hope for the same irl.

In real life true enough people have a degree of personal space but also people would get psed if their neighbours were banging on the wall saying leave me alone. Actually the mutual paranoia of such close living really seems what's going on.

In that case, people would move or possibly even there'd be intervention. But even better would be to have a big fight a la: this and then slowly let people redevelop their personal space with hopefully a shared need for peace

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posted December 28, 2014 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by juniperb:
These type of comments by Mods are a contributing factor of the ongoing problem here.

Ami, they don`t like you. Please like your self enough to back out gracefully and accept it.

Allow them to be in the peace you enjoy.

For goodness sakes, this isn`t an ego contest so please quit with the snark and move forward to a solution.


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Ami Anne
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posted December 28, 2014 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think this Forum needs to be closed. Sweet Peas is more manageable than this Forum.

Also, there is no way for personality conflicts to be "solved"

Sw peas is topic oriented and personality conflicts play into it as a SIDE ISSUE, not the MAIN DISH

On here, it has become the main dish and it is not resolvable imo

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Faith
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posted December 28, 2014 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think these problems are all a reflection of Randall's issues...the macrocosmic manifestation of things that are going on in his brain.

Until he fixes whatever that is, these problems will persist. He can ban everyone who brings the problem to his attention if he likes, but new people with functioning perception will observe the problem and repeat it to him.

No amount of banning or locking threads will ever solve the root cause.

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posted December 28, 2014 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I think this Forum needs to be closed. Sweet Peas is more manageable than this Forum.

Stealing this forum from the people who've enjoyed it will exacerbate tension and contribute to this site's major energy problem.

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posted December 28, 2014 04:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
Stealing this forum from the people who've enjoyed it will exacerbate tension and contribute to this site's major energy problem.

Let's not forget the tag-teaming dynamics that would be well in place if the H&H traffic was diverted onto SP. Ami wants you all for herself.

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juniperb
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posted December 28, 2014 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I think this Forum needs to be closed. Sweet Peas is more manageable than this Forum.

People left that forum for the freedom of this one. Another forum will replace this if deleted.

That`s the nature of it.

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Ami Anne
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posted December 28, 2014 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is the current nature of this Forum

1. My friends and I like each other. YOU can't come in

2. We want to talk about Person A who has Cooties.

3. Other people don't like people talking about people with Cooties so they jump in.

4. Randall has to jump in.

5. It is chaos and not workable

6. If a group of people want to talk about people with Cooties, they should do it by e mail.

7.LL is not about dissing people, as I see it

8. LL is not about excluding people, as I see it.

9. Talking about people you don't like can be done on private time and should be because it is not resolvable on a public Forum without CONSTANT conflict

10. Sweet Peas is issue driven so gives a layer of objectivity that simply discussing people does not.


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posted December 28, 2014 04:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A big big big thanks to Pixie, Juni, and AG for being excellent mods. Setting all personal views aside, you have generally shown and demonstrated great skills at remaining impartial and impersonal when it was needed the most.

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posted December 28, 2014 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Randall:
Those e-mails were evidence contrary to the "truth" she was posting here

Those emails did nothing of the sort. Do you remember the email in which you said to me "we would be Two-gether" and "actually already were, in a Parallel Uni-Verse." When I told you I was beginning a relationship and moving and wouldn't be around to chat much to talk anymore. That one and all the "Linda-speak" really freaked me out. I forwarded that one to a friend here at the time because I was so perplexed about some things and she advised me to keep a distance and enjoy the new changes in my life. And I did.

At the time we were friends and chatting a lot on messenger. I found you to be very evasive and could never answer a question straight. There are many, MANY other emails of yours I could share that would give people the full picture and "my truth". Which by the way, I don't think you actually know what that is. It might surprise you to know. It seems to be different than what you think it is. And you thinking and loving what you thought was some kind of jealousy going on with me for you, was actually me finally having enough of your shadiness and coming onto me like I was some sort of sl*t or "nympho" as you called it here:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum27/HTML/000058.html


I was being polite and sort of playing along, but you don't know how much that and many other things have disturbed me.

I'd had enough and the more I thought about past things, the more ****** off I got. If it makes you feel good to think it was some kind of jealousy over you, then you can do that, but it wasn't and I wouldn't flatter yourself.


I know you've got SOME people convinced of things that aren't true, but I am satisfied in knowing the truth and knowing that you know it too.

Now as you said before that whole thing is not to supposed to be brought up again.

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posted December 28, 2014 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by juniperb:
People left that forum for the freedom of this one. Another forum will replace this if deleted.

That`s the nature of it.



Exactly!
This stuff happens in sweet peas too. It used to a lot more, now it's here. If this is gone, back to sp.
This.... Contention, you can't just delete it and magically it's gone.

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posted December 28, 2014 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
This is the current nature of this Forum

1. My friends and I like each other. YOU can't come in

2. We want to talk about Person A who has cooties.

3. Other people don't like people talking about people with Cooties so they jump in

4. Randall has to jump in.

5. It is chaos and not workable

6. If a group of people want to talk about people with Cooties, they should do it by e mail.

7.LL is not about dissing people, as I see it

8. LL is not about excluding people, as I see it.

9. Talking about people you don't like can be done on private time.


That is my opinion.


I thought that a thread was closed because someone just dropped in and mocked someone. Why isn't that person being moderated? Why is the focus back on Bella, or whomever else said something?

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posted December 28, 2014 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami it would be nice if you could admit that it is not good for the forum when you and Randall and a couple others come into a thread in which members you have had tensions with are posting happily in just to instigate. This is the main issue and it's being brought up over and over again, but getting glossed over. Most people can see it except for a handful of you.

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posted December 28, 2014 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A lot of people are here who don't get along.

Ami, the other day, you came onto a thread where I was just goofing around with people, and you accused "some people" of being "fake perfect" for no reason.

Don't pretend you are not trying desperately to kick up a fight when you make these kinds of remarks.

As for me, I hardly ever allude to anyone or any group of people in general terms. If I have a problem with you, I tell you directly. I don't go all over the forum saying crap like "some people on this forum are so cruel!!" the way Barbie has.

I don't say "Pisces moons leave a slimey film on you" the way Lonake does when she wants to break our truce and bait me into a fight. I don't act like these mods who make snarky, ambiguous comments.

I don't generalize like that. So don't generalize about me generalizing.

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posted December 28, 2014 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
I thought that a thread was closed because someone just dropped in and mocked someone. Why isn't that person being moderated? Why is the focus back on Bella, who whomever else said something?

Cos I'm there no.3 and being portrayed as no.2. How unfortunate.

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posted December 28, 2014 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
A lot of people are here who don't get along.

Ami, the other day, you came onto a thread where I was just goofing around with people, and you and accused "some people" of being "fake perfect" for no reason.

Don't pretend you are not trying desperately to kick up a fight when you make these kinds of remarks.


Until this major issue is addressed or this person changes drastically nothing will get resolved.

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posted December 28, 2014 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by T:
Ami it would be nice if you could admit that it is not good for the forum when you and Randall and a couple others come into a thread in which members you have had tensions with are posting happily in just to instigate. This is the main issue and it's being brought up over and over again, but getting glossed over. Most people can see it except for a handful of you.

I feel very strongly that LL should be welcome to EVERYONE EVERYWHERE.

If you or anyone wants this exclusion, it should be on your own private time imo

That is my opinion. I like to include everyone and make the shyest person feel part of things.

Hence, I jumped in when you tried to exclude someone.

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