posted December 28, 2014 10:59 AM              

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Originally posted by florence:
PD That sounds a good idea but try not to make any digs to those people you don't want to interact with .. Cos that's just interaction in which someone doesn't have the opportunity to counter it

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posted December 28, 2014 11:03 AM            

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
If people who are beefin' leave each other's H&H threads alone, all problems would be solved. I guarantee you this. But this unnecessary intermingling is the source of all the drama. I don't know why people insist to partake in a thread people don't want them in. It's H&H folks, not SP or 2.0 or IA, we DON'T need to interact here whatsoever. Like at all. I don't want to have to go out my way to ignore someone who throws implicit jabs. Why is it sooooo hard for people to grasp this concept?! Just don't force people to stomach you. It's such an undignified feeling as well. Very very simple.

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posted December 28, 2014 11:13 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I hated checking in today. I could dissect what I've seen and I can see relevant points on both sides but all I feel like pointing out now is that Randall puts out the effort to keep this place running which costs him time and probably money. I keep that in mind when I disagree with him on something and think of this as his place. We didn't elect him, we're guests in his home so to speak. And that's something I think some people here are forgetting.

I've disagreed with Randall more than once, including on some of the decisions he's made on how to run LL, but when I express my views on that I try to do so as respectfully as possible and when the gavel comes down I go with it whether I agree with it or not. If it had truly become intolerable to the point of, well Jerry Springerish behavior I see here, I'd simply leave to either find another board I could go along with or I'd gather all the other people who were unsatisfied and start another board.

This really is getting ridiculous.

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When I mentioned someone getting into trouble for starting their own board in the past, Sunchild was only one of the people I was thinking of. Another popular member started their own board, not to compete, but to give people from a certain thread the safety to post whatever they wanted, without being attacked or made to feel bad. I found the board accidentally, during a search for something astrological, but didn't mention it to anyone. Others found it eventually, and it turned into this *huge* argument and a flaming thread (at least one).

posted December 28, 2014 11:23 AM            

But I agree with this exactly:

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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
Who perpetuated the drama there? It could have easily been handled, which is why I kindly suggested Randall play more of a mediating role. Bella removed herself from the conversation after she rightfully defended herself, Faith made one remark to comfort Bella and moved on to posting random stuff, and T and I weren't even there. So...? How did the "4 of us" not let it go?

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I've always gotten along with and respected florence but hopping into a thread JUST to belittle Bella's struggles with moon-Neptune transits was not appreciated.

(Tr Neptune conjunct moon IN PISCES may be a harder transit than moon-Neptune in Sag, you understand?)

Then Ami freaked out, Barbie freaked out, and we got blamed for "starting the drama." Thanks, mods, for staging it that way.

posted December 28, 2014 11:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Furthermore, LL is not a place for cliques. LL is a place where EVERYONE belongs and EVERYONE has a place.

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If that's true, then those same people who are thought to be a part of a clique, should also be respected and made to feel welcome.

I was given a time-out by a misogynistic moderator on another forum, who had banned several of my friends. We'd made our own board, as we'd been told to do if we just wanted to chat, and were then penalized for following instructions. I was told that I was being watched/on notice, because I was a member of a board on which a few people had insulted the mods. Never mind that I hadn't participated (until the douche temporarily banned me for no reason - no infractions, I'd done nothing wrong, but because a couple of friends also posted in that thread, it was thought to be a "clique" thing).

posted December 28, 2014 11:26 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I think the closing of threads escalates conflict at times.

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The parental attitude and lectures are inappropriate and weird.

posted December 28, 2014 11:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:
I'm just curious as to why there has to be a structure involving power over others. On a forum that is spiritual in nature.

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posted December 28, 2014 11:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I'm so far behind and don't have time to catch up.

But I agree with this [b]exactly:

I've always gotten along with and respected florence but hopping into a thread JUST to belittle Bella's struggles with moon-Neptune transits was not appreciated.

(Tr Neptune conjunct moon IN PISCES may be a harder transit than moon-Neptune in Sag, you understand?)

Then Ami freaked out, Barbie freaked out, and we got blamed for "starting the drama." Thanks, mods, for staging it that way.

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Firstly, as I've said before I have no hard feelings towards you - I don't imagine I ever will. I also respect your feelings about this and your concern for your friend - in short, it's fine (with me) that we disagree on this. And if it isn't with you, well that's fine too.

But without reiterating certain sentiments I don't apologise for what I said and don't feel bad about it either.

posted December 28, 2014 01:07 PM            

Anyone who left here with hate and started a Board based on hate lost that Board.

LL has been here for over 12 years because Randall comes from a place of service and love to the people here.

The others were not born of love and are dead now while LL thrives.

Those are just the simple spiritual laws of life and they are forever enduring.

People can flow WITH The Laws of Love or rail AGAINST them but they do not change lol

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posted December 28, 2014 01:16 PM            

I don't think that people here want to leave, they just want to stop having people treat them like they're awful people, and need to leave.

Oh, and the other board had nothing to do with hating. They were being looked upon with disgust here, so they started their own place with no fanfare. They shouldn't have had to lose their own board - and they also made their own place to discuss certain things, so that they wouldn't make people here uncomfortable, or be booted out.

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posted December 28, 2014 02:26 PM            

Pixiejane recommended another board, remember? So if I tell a few people where they can find it, I'm stealing people that you don't even want here? I'm trying to HELP.
What do you mean "manipulative"?

Oh, and the other board I'm a member of? Same reason. We were chatting in a thread where it had been allowed, and were suddenly told that no chatting was allowed. Most of us hadn't been in trouble, we just took our chatting elsewhere. The moderators themselves suggested that we take it to our own place, so we did. And then we were called troublemakers for it. Right now, you are reminding me of them. The ban was temporary - a few days. They had no reason to ban me, because I'd done nothing wrong. Another person was banned for a day, for no reason. Do you know who is now under a temporary ban himself? One of the moderators, because he called someone an extremely nasty name.

posted December 28, 2014 02:28 PM              

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Originally posted by Randall:
If this group in question wishes to leave LL, that would actually solve the problems here

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posted December 28, 2014 02:36 PM            

You are EXTREMELY rude and you have very little respect for people with whom you SHOULD such as Randall, as the head of this board.

That is called respect for a place in which you CHOOSE to spend time.

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posted December 28, 2014 02:39 PM            

I guess deleting threads is a bad idea.

Supposing that we make threads in this Forum voluntarily exclusive, how would that even work? What would the process involve?

posted December 28, 2014 02:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
I merely made an observation. If you who are unsatisfied left, would not the arguments cease?

I guess deleting threads is a bad idea.

Supposing that we make threads in this Forum voluntarily exclusive, how would that even work? What would the process involve?

And Teasel, it doesn't matter that you don't run it. If you plug it, you are involved.

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You are contradicting yourself. You think that it would be better if certain people left, but you don't want someone to start a new place for them? Well, I already did, but as I already stated further up this page, I didn't want to be lambasted for it.