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Topic: Should We Change The Rules?
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Randall
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From: Saturn next to Charmainec
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 28, 2014 03:03 AM
  
Hearth And Home is meant to be a shout-out Forum, which should be a friendly place. Instead, it looks like a war zone, especially to Newflakes. Instead of closing threads, would it be more effective to change policy and just delete them? Yay or ney? Why or why not? Just trying to find the best resolution. Thanks for your input.IP: Logged |
Barbiegirl19
Moderator Posts: 5136
From: Pluto with DeepFreeze
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted December 28, 2014 03:04 AM
Yay. It looks horrible and looks pretty freightening if you don't know what's going on. IP: Logged |
T
Knowflake Posts: 11585
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posted December 28, 2014 03:10 AM
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Originally posted by Randall:
Hearth And Home is meant to be a shout-out Forum, which should be a friendly place. Instead, it looks like a war zone, especially to Newflakes. Instead of closing threads, would it be more effective to change policy and just delete them? Yay or ney? Why or why not? Just trying to find the best resolution. Thanks for your input.
Change your attitude and the way you handle things here. You have a lot to do with the major issues that go on. Maybe actually listen to the majority of the members here and not just a few of your friends. In the recent blow up you mostly ignored everyone's posts except mine. You should go back and read them and really have a good think about what people here are saying. You have taken part in turning this place into a "war zone". Be honest with yourself, admit that and listen more to people. Don't be so quick to jump the gun and shut things down or try and shut people up. I'd think by now you'd know these basic ways of resolving conflict and rising above, but recently you were the worst offender and going by your rules, you should be banned. IP: Logged |
Randall
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From: Saturn next to Charmainec
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 28, 2014 03:15 AM
Yeah, Barb, I'm leaning towards just deleting offensive threads.IP: Logged |
PisceanDream
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posted December 28, 2014 03:16 AM
I agree with T.No deleting necessary. There is a reality here that should be acknowledged by everyone who steps on this forum. The problem is that hiding digital traces of the war doesn't mean that it's over or doesn't exist. I would rather people be aware of what tends to happen here instead of unknowingly stepping on a mine hidden under a "nice field of grass". I hope you get my drift. IP: Logged |
BellaFenice
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From: Sparkles the Unicorn-When will your faves?
Registered: Sep 2013
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posted December 28, 2014 03:17 AM
What would be the benefit of deleting the threads? And how do you feel this would resolve conflicts?*Not trying to start drama, I genuinely am curious to hear your rationale on this. IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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From: CA
Registered: Oct 2010
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posted December 28, 2014 03:18 AM
I hated checking in today. I could dissect what I've seen and I can see relevant points on both sides but all I feel like pointing out now is that Randall puts out the effort to keep this place running which costs him time and probably money. I keep that in mind when I disagree with him on something and think of this as his place. We didn't elect him, we're guests in his home so to speak. And that's something I think some people here are forgetting. I've disagreed with Randall more than once, including on some of the decisions he's made on how to run LL, but when I express my views on that I try to do so as respectfully as possible and when the gavel comes down I go with it whether I agree with it or not. If it had truly become intolerable to the point of, well Jerry Springerish behavior I see here, I'd simply leave to either find another board I could go along with or I'd gather all the other people who were unsatisfied and start another board. This really is getting ridiculous. IP: Logged |
Barbiegirl19
Moderator Posts: 5136
From: Pluto with DeepFreeze
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted December 28, 2014 03:24 AM
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Originally posted by Randall:
Yeah, Barb, I'm leaning towards just deleting offensive threads.
It isn't even fair that you have to do so. You're patience is truly incredible. How some are even here baffles me. It's ridiculous. I'm sick of all of the ridiculous false accusations. IP: Logged |
T
Knowflake Posts: 11585
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posted December 28, 2014 03:24 AM
I agree Pixie. It's gotten extremely ridiculous. Many people are observing what it actually going on and it's a shame that all these thread lockings are going on for no good reason. VERY Jerry Springerish indeed.It became intolerable enough in the past for a mass to leave all at once and never post again. It's not intolerable for me. But I do think some people are trying to make it that way. If I found it intolerable, I'd leave too. IP: Logged |
Randall
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From: Saturn next to Charmainec
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 28, 2014 03:24 AM
I think some people here get off on the attention they receive getting threads closed. If the threads in question were deleted, it would stop much of that. IP: Logged |
T
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posted December 28, 2014 03:25 AM
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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
What would be the benefit of deleting the threads? And how do you feel this would resolve conflicts?*Not trying to start drama, I genuinely am curious to hear your rationale on this.
He could cover his own ass that way. There have been many threads deleted before and now when people go back and try to figure things out, they don't add up, because entire threads and posts are gone from old threads. I'm wondering which threads in particular he would choose to delete?  IP: Logged |
Barbiegirl19
Moderator Posts: 5136
From: Pluto with DeepFreeze
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted December 28, 2014 03:27 AM
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Originally posted by Randall:
I think some people here get off on the attention they receive getting threads closed. If the threads in question were deleted, it would stop much of that.
I whole heartedly agree. IP: Logged |
PisceanDream
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posted December 28, 2014 03:28 AM
By that logic, then some people get off on the attention they get by closing the threads! It's funny because a re-opening of a thread or a discussion that springs forth from a closed thread is certainly an effect and not a cause.Why do jabs have to be made? Why can't we discuss the actual problem? IP: Logged |
T
Knowflake Posts: 11585
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posted December 28, 2014 03:28 AM
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Originally posted by Randall:
I think some people here get off on the attention they receive getting threads closed. If the threads in question were deleted, it would stop much of that.
I'm assuming you are referring to me since you like to close my thread and some of your Mods do too. It should be clear to most by now that you are the one looking for attention here. I have said nothing that deserved a thread locking, but I do notice how you want to try to revolve them around me and have been for a long time - make it look like I am the one centered around the drama. Anyone paying even a little bit of attention can see that that is not the case. IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 48356
From: Saturn next to Charmainec
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 28, 2014 03:30 AM
It might be worth a shot and see how it goes. IP: Logged |
T
Knowflake Posts: 11585
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posted December 28, 2014 03:31 AM
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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
By that logic, then some people get off on the attention they get by closing the threads! It's funny because a re-opening of a thread or a discussion that springs forth from a closed thread is certainly an effect and not a cause.Why do jabs have to be made? Why can't we discuss the actual problem?
I don't know why it's so hard to discuss the actual problem either. Instead it always has to be a witch hunt and nothing ever gets resolved. It's always throwing stones. The "powers that be" don't ever want to discuss rationally with anyone and instead the goal is to try to tear a few people apart and exert their "power" (lol). IP: Logged |
Barbiegirl19
Moderator Posts: 5136
From: Pluto with DeepFreeze
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted December 28, 2014 03:33 AM
The biggest problem here is the inability to read what caused the thread to be closed and then going and creating a new thread to bash the mod for closing it in the first place. It needs to stop, it's beyond ridiculous. No one is here against their will, leave if it's so disheartening, if it causes some to get so angry and ruin this forum for people who would like to post here. No one here is targeted. IP: Logged |
Barbiegirl19
Moderator Posts: 5136
From: Pluto with DeepFreeze
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted December 28, 2014 03:35 AM
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Originally posted by Randall:
It might be worth a shot and see how it goes.
I think so. IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 48356
From: Saturn next to Charmainec
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 28, 2014 03:36 AM
Very rational thoughts, Barb. IP: Logged |
T
Knowflake Posts: 11585
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posted December 28, 2014 03:36 AM
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
The biggest problem here is the inability to read what caused the thread to be closed and then going and creating a new thread to bash the mod for closing it in the first place. It needs to stop, it's beyond ridiculous. No one is here against their will.
Was it the "dipsh*t cronies" part? Because that's all I can see. And guess what, that was said because of a passive aggressive remark that was allowed. I think it boils down to years of people poking and picking at certain people and being allowed to do so. Then as soon as one fires back or stands up for themselves, it's a thread lockdown. I agree, it's become absolutely ridiculous and much of it has to do with internal issues, not the members that actually come here to have a good time and talk with friends. It's a shame that some bored people try (and often succeed) at ruining it for the rest of us. IP: Logged |
PisceanDream
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posted December 28, 2014 03:37 AM
Have you ever shook a bottle of coke, opened the cap, saw the fizz exploding out and closed it? What happens when you reopen it? It comes fizzing out. That's what happens here. Shutting a thread down before properly addressing and discussing the issue is unhealthy, unprofessional, unreliable, and ineffective. It's very simple. An opening of a thread to discuss a problem is because a thread has been closed in which the problem wasn't thoroughly resolved or discussed. It's not about not being able to read. I can *read*. But it's the fact that even though I read, nothing changes how it feels. IP: Logged |
T
Knowflake Posts: 11585
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posted December 28, 2014 03:41 AM
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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
Have you ever shook a bottle of coke, opened the cap, saw the fizz exploding out and closed it? What happens when you reopen it? It comes fizzing out. That's what happens here. Shutting a thread down before properly addressing and discussing the issue is unhealthy, unprofessional, unreliable, and ineffective. It's very simple. An opening of a thread to discuss a problem is because a thread has been closed in which the problem wasn't thoroughly resolved or discussed. It's not about not being able to read. I can *read*. But it's the fact that even though I read, nothing changes how it feels.
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Randall
Webmaster Posts: 48356
From: Saturn next to Charmainec
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 28, 2014 03:42 AM
Threads are closed to stop an escalation into a conflict.IP: Logged |
Barbiegirl19
Moderator Posts: 5136
From: Pluto with DeepFreeze
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted December 28, 2014 03:44 AM
Because you guys can't let it go. The threads are closed for a reason, PD. You don't stop. How clearer would you like for me or Randall or anyone else here to explain it to you? It isn't fair that the whole site has to bow down to what the 4 of you want. You are the only 4 who do this. You can't go forward constantly looking back. Stop looking back and move forward. Let insignificant, petty crap go. Don't involve your feelings in these things, it's just not necessary and only creates more problems for you. Stop taking things so personally. We're supposed to have fun, enjoy ourselves here. The fighting back needs to stop. Just abide by the rules. Don't bite off the hand that feeds you. IP: Logged |
PisceanDream
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posted December 28, 2014 03:47 AM
I understand that is the supposed intention. But can you see how it doesn't stop anything though? One thread got shut down, everything that followed got shut down too. Why don't you at least try to deal with the situation on the spot, come to a resolution, let people get how they feel out then tell them to end the discussion. Monitor a bit, if the problem gets reopened, then shut it down. But you just rush to shut it down with such a frustrating immediacy that it gets people all riled up. It's just psychology. This is how revolutions start all over the world, the explosion of a collective repression. This is kinda what's happening here.IP: Logged |
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