posted March 08, 2015 08:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
May I see your natals?

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Oops, sorry, was out to dinner. Here they are.

Mine:

His:

posted March 08, 2015 08:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Now THAT was actually another TF-myth worthy storyline, don't you think? Odo and Kira? Even more unlikely than the first example (for LeeLoo: Odo is a changeling who can assume all kinds of forms, and Kira is a Bajoran woman who is very traditional and religious in a way, who lost her first love to death and later fell in love with Odo of all beings.)
I will never forget their "first time"! Being a changeling apparently has its ...umm...advantages in terms of adjustable anatomy.

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Oh, definitely. I watched that one from start to beautiful, touching, profound finish.

posted March 08, 2015 08:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:
I'm not sure why you quoted me. I feel like this is addressed to other people?

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Sorry, Selenite; it was initially addressing you specifically, and then I ended up on a tangent, to where it DOES address everyone much more generally. NOT at ALL trying to single you out.

I've got a question, though, now, because I suppose I was making (incorrect) assumptions.

posted March 08, 2015 09:02 PM            

I'd say you are definitely Soulmates; special, though. JUNO conjunct REGULUS denotes a relationship of a very high calibre, being the most royal star.

Although ISIS is too far from a conjunction to OSIRIS in your chart, I can't discount that. (It's curious, as mine is 7º, and yet, in my Twin's chart, his is also 7º but reversed, so that we have a 0º conjunction in the composite.) And this gentleman has a 2º conjunction of EROS and PSYCHE, which iQ says is a near 99% guarantee of a Soulmate relationship in the current lifeline, and could very likely be a Twin Flame.

So, in my opinion, you're both very likely to be Twin Flames, given other factors. However, the relationship you have with each other is very special; (your ASCENDANT conjunct his EROS/PSYCHE is a great marker for your high-level Soulmate connexion.)

What troubles me is that your SUN looks as if it's tightly conjunct ISIS. I suspect your Twin is either a SUN conjunct OSIRIS, or MOON-OSIRIS. That kind of resonance is so important. I like that this man's MOON is opposite your OSIRIS, but it lacks the OSIRIS energy. Ah, well.

posted March 08, 2015 09:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Sorry, Selenite; it was initially addressing you specifically, and then I ended up on a tangent, to where it DOES address everyone much more generally. NOT at ALL trying to single you out.

I've got a question, though, now, because I suppose I was making (incorrect) assumptions.

Are you both female? Or are you male? Forgive me, but I did assume you female. (It wouldn't be the first time I made that error.)

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posted March 08, 2015 09:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
magpie,

I'd say you are definitely Soulmates; special, though. JUNO conjunct REGULUS denotes a relationship of a very high calibre, being the most royal star.

Although ISIS is too far from a conjunction to OSIRIS in your chart, I can't discount that. (It's curious, as mine is 7º, and yet, in my Twin's chart, his is also 7º but reversed, so that we have a 0º conjunction in the composite.) And this gentleman has a 2º conjunction of EROS and PSYCHE, which iQ says is a near 99% guarantee of a Soulmate relationship in the current lifeline, and could very likely be a Twin Flame.

So, in my opinion, you're both very likely to be Twin Flames, given other factors. However, the relationship you have with each other is very special; (your ASCENDANT conjunct his EROS/PSYCHE is a great marker for your high-level Soulmate connexion.)

What troubles me is that your SUN looks as if it's tightly conjunct ISIS. I suspect your Twin is either a SUN conjunct OSIRIS, or MOON-OSIRIS. That kind of resonance is so important. I like that this man's MOON is opposite your OSIRIS, but it lacks the OSIRIS energy. Ah, well.

This is (or will be) an important relationship for you both. iQ loves a packed 11H, too, saying that it leads to great mutual gain. Yours is packed, indeed.

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posted March 08, 2015 10:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:

I'm a female.. But I do prefer the term, 'entity.'
I understand, it just actually alarmed me. I should really not spend so much time on here, I'm very easily affected. Lol

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posted March 08, 2015 10:04 PM            

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Originally posted by magpie:
Gremlins ate my post! Thank you for all of the information. It'll be interesting to see how the relationship progresses over time.

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posted March 09, 2015 12:18 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Absolutely! there is so much to be said about the preparation....I will be thinking about how to start an exchange of opinions about this..

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posted March 09, 2015 02:37 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

"Ceri, I agree, in the sense that I don't want the use of a label and an ideal to minimize other love experiences, this is always the danger with this and people have already complained about it. On the other hand, I don't want for us to feel restricted from discussing an ideal concept. Personally, I believe it inspires people. It most certainly inspires me. It is true however, and I don't include you here, you know that, some people get depressed about a perfect model, they say: what do I care? god knows when I'll be with my TF, I stick to my smelly husband or my unrequited love. I don't know what to do about that, to me models are an inspiration and I believe whatever relationship you have, this kind of inspiration can make it better.

It's not about exclusion, not the way I see it, on the contrary, it's about including that intensity and inspiration in your everyday life and relationships in general. And thank you for liking the thread "

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I am all for inspiration. My Jupiter/Neptune thrives on it, but only as long as it is truely inspiring and does not become yet another box, another cage. You know what I mean?

But inspiring stories of love, all for it!

For some reason I cannot even quite explain I feel more drawn to the name "primary soulmate" though. Or even true love relationship soulmate, as IQ once wrote. It just feels more "un-cagey" or "un-boxed" to me. Maybe because there is such a lot of abstract theories being put on top of the poor twinflames, twinsouls, twinrays, twin-anything.

To me after a certan point it got exhausting, draining and tiring, which is NOT what it should be about!
And I am just afraid of the "You are wrong, I know the truth." - "No you have no idea, I am the only one who knows, because archangel Michael told me just yesterday over a cup of tea." - debate.

posted March 09, 2015 03:57 PM            

Twinflame reunions are preceded by AWARENESS, becoming aware of the existence of the twin soul. Just like with everything else, we can’t fully enjoy something before becoming aware of its value, its significance. Happiness itself is not defined by having or experiencing (think how deep unhappiness can be found everywhere, with the rich, the beautiful, with people having their world at their feet), but by a shift in consciousness when we realize the GIFT of what we have and experience and the ultimate realization is in fact the miracle of life. Becoming aware of the miracle of life as an omnipresent state of mind leads to a place of constant bliss. Think of it as Nirvana, because this is what it is. Until then, we only have a glimpse of this, certain moments in our lives and you know how it feels. Or we go to a better stage than just glimpses where we find this bliss, perennial, in a certain activity, which becomes like an ivory tower for us, in a good sense, one from which there is spring outward, not something isolating you. It could be a creative pursuit, work, dance, sports, a passion, any passion we have…the list is endless and the hunger for this state of bliss leads us sometimes to look for it in “illusionary” states of bliss, such as drugs…just to be there. Neptune is responsible for this hunger, IMO.

Well, it looks like a curse, right? But in fact, it is Plato’s Cave…but it’s not an actual someone (else) leading you out of the cave, it’s that someone inside you waking up and I’m convinced it’s a matter of spiritual evolution through successive reincarnations. But there are helpers on the way, we help each other, perhaps that’s why we travel in soul groups. I assume a soul group is meant to experience a group awakening, to come out of the cave together, thus being able to live and create a new world; one person would not be enough; perhaps one is an initiator, the leader, but this position is just one of the important roles, it is not the purpose, the existence of the leader, but the tool. What do you think about this?

For those unfamiliar with Plato’s Cave Myth:

Short and funnier version here: http://www.ancientgreece.co.uk/knowledge/story/sto_set.html

Plato's allegory of the cave is one of the best-known, most insightful attempts to explain the nature of reality. The 'cave' represents the state of most human beings, and the tale of a dramatic exit from the cave is the source of true understanding.

Wikipedia:
The Allegory of the Cave (also titled Analogy of the Cave, Plato's Cave or Parable of the Cave) is presented by the Greek philosopher Plato in his work The Republic (514a–520a) to compare "...the effect of education (παιδεία and the lack of it on our nature". It is written as a dialogue between Plato's brother Glaucon and his mentor Socrates, narrated by the latter. The allegory is presented after the Analogy of the Sun (508b–509c) and the Analogy of the Divided Line (509d–513e). All three are characterized in relation to dialectic at the end of Books VII and VIII (531d–534e).
Plato has Socrates describe a gathering of people who have lived chained to the wall of a cave all of their lives, facing a blank wall. The people watch shadows projected on the wall by things passing in front of a fire behind them, and begin to designate names to these shadows. The shadows are as close as the prisoners get to viewing reality. He then explains how the philosopher is like a prisoner who is freed from the cave and comes to understand that the shadows on the wall do not make up reality at all, as he can perceive the true form of reality rather than the mere shadows seen by the prisoners.
Socrates remarks that this allegory can be taken with what was said before, namely the Analogy of the Sun and the Analogy of the Divided Line. In particular, he likens our perception of the world around us "to the habitation in prison, the firelight there to the sunlight here, the ascent and the view of the upper world is the rising of the soul into the world of the mind" (517b).[1]
Imprisonment in the Cave
Socrates begins by asking Glaucon to imagine a cave where people have been imprisoned from childhood. These prisoners are chained so that their legs and necks are fixed, forcing them to gaze at the wall in front of them and not look around at the cave, each other, or themselves (514a–b).[1] Behind the prisoners is a fire, and between the fire and the prisoners is a raised walkway with a low wall, behind which people walk carrying objects or puppets "of men and other living things" (514b).[1] The people walk behind the wall so their bodies do not cast shadows for the prisoners to see, but the objects they carry do ("just as puppet showmen have screens in front of them at which they work their puppets" (514a)[1]). The prisoners cannot see any of this behind them and are only able to see the shadows cast upon the cave wall in front of them. The sounds of the people talking echo off the shadowed wall, and the prisoners falsely believe these sounds come from the shadows (514c).[1]
Socrates suggests that the shadows constitute reality for the prisoners because they have never seen anything else; they do not realize that what they see are shadows of objects in front of a fire, much less that these objects are inspired by real living things outside the cave (514b-515a).[1]
Departure from the Cave

Allegory of the Cave. Left (From top to bottom): Sun; Natural things; Shadows of natural things; Fire; Artificial objects; Shadows of artificial objects; Allegory level.
Right (From top to bottom): "Good" idea, Ideas, Mathematical objects, Light, Creatures and Objects, Image, Analogy of the Sun, and the Analogy of the Divided Line
Socrates then supposes that one prisoner is freed, being forced to turn and see the fire. The light would hurt his eyes and make it hard for him to see the objects that are casting the shadows. If he is told that what he saw before was not real but that the objects he is now struggling to see are, he would not believe it. In his pain, Socrates continues, the freed prisoner would turn away and run back to what he can see and is accustomed to, that is the shadows of the carried objects. He writes "...it would hurt his eyes, and he would escape by turning away to the things which he was able to look at, and these he would believe to be clearer than what was being shown to him." [1]
Socrates continues: "suppose...that someone should drag him...by force, up the rough ascent, the steep way up, and never stop until he could drag him out into the light of the sun." [1] The prisoner would be angry and in pain, and this would only worsen when the radiant light of the sun overwhelms his eyes and blinds him.[1] The sunlight is representative of the new reality and knowledge that the freed prisoner is experiencing.
Slowly, his eyes adjust to the light of the sun. First he can only see shadows. Gradually he can see the reflections of people and things in water and then later see the people and things themselves. Eventually he is able to look at the stars and moon at night until finally he can look upon the sun itself (516a).[1] Only after he can look straight at the sun "is he able to reason about it" and what it is (516b).[1] (See also Plato's Analogy of the Sun, which occurs near the end of The Republic, Book VI.)[2]
Return to the Cave
Socrates continues, saying that the freed prisoner would think that the real world was superior to the world he experienced in the cave; "he would bless himself for the change, and pity [the other prisoners]" and would want to bring his fellow cave dwellers out of the cave and into the sunlight (516c).[1]
The returning prisoner, whose eyes have become acclimated to the light of the sun, would be blind when he re-enters the cave, just as he was when he was first exposed to the sun (516e).[1] The prisoners, according to Socrates, would infer from the returning man's blindness that the journey out of the cave had harmed him and that they should not undertake a similar journey. Socrates concludes that the prisoners, if they were able, would therefore reach out and kill anyone who attempted to drag them out of the cave (517a).[1]

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posted March 09, 2015 04:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:
What a beautiful post
I have had the suspicion that my Twin Flame is one of my best friends.. If I explained this to her, she would say 'duh.' Everything is exactly as you described.. When we first became friends a few years ago we would have weird moments / loops of just finding each other in each other's eyes.
I can't even begin to do our relationship justice in a forum post so I won't But I really feel from the bottom of my soul that she's my twin flame. So if anyone wants to see our charts together for an example, I am happy to share There are also very eerie similarities in our charts and draconic charts, etc.. Also, our relationship is very difficult.

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I am very happy to hear you experience this, Selenite. Please share more of how it happened, I will do the same. And seeing the charts is like the purpose of why we are here

I would also love to know why and how it is difficult, because it is indeed a difficult period when this happens, at the beginning, it's like purging. But what I want is to know how you perceive the heaviness in this.

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posted March 09, 2015 04:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
And I am just afraid of the "You are wrong, I know the truth." - "No you have no idea, I am the only one who knows, because archangel Michael told me just yesterday over a cup of tea." - debate.

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I am SO glad that I wasn't taking a sip of my tea at that moment, because it would be ALL over my screen!

OH, Ceri. HOW I CAN RELATE!

Now, I've definitely seen some stuff; experienced things now that I cannot begin to explain. But after SO many years a debunker, my rational mind needs something. ANYTHING! It's still going to TRY, y'know?

I was looking for something entirely different and stumbled into iQ's initial analysis, which threw me for a loop, since I wasn't expecting him to 'pronounce' us Twin Flames. When he did ... I had to process that. Deeply. It wasn't exactly news I wanted, and yet, I couldn't quite deny it, either. Something about it felt undeniably, maddeningly, and frustratingly true. What's worse, is it still does. In its way. I've just given up 'trying'.

Then I looked at the analysis again. And, all I can say is, damn. Not only is there SUCH intricate detail in his work, but it's what made me slowly realise that Twin Flame astrology is rare. Damned rare. The likelihood of getting such a synthesis, with so much resonance ... just as he'd said, my astrology lacks the Twin Flame signature with my Guardian, but possesses features and elements he said give great credence to the theory. Hence, why I'm still exploring it.

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posted March 09, 2015 04:40 PM            

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Well, I at least hear you, Ceridwen! Must be my Jupiter opposite your KASSANDRA

I also feel uncomfortble when I see people using this label in a dogmatic way....but I don't think that's how LeeLoo intended this thread at all, it was meant (at least that's how I understand it) as a place to collect and share inspirational stories and observations. And I hope the trekkie stuff yesterday did not detract from that purpose (but it shouldn't because these were after all stories of unconditional love surpassing every obstacle, and even though fictional, they do reflect the understanding of those who created them - just as Aubyanne's fictional stories would reflect her understanding and insight. So I consider these things as just as interesting for understanding love ideals as I would factual or historical examples.)

I do also have an idea of what could me meant by that 'preparatory stage'.... but would like to hear LeeLoo's take first!

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Yes! What I want here is practical stuff, stories, ideas, and a collection of various concepts and practical examples, not just my theory or ONE theory. That's why I want to make a synthesis on how others see the preparatory stage, before telling you which part of it I believe. In the meantime, I would love to hear your vision on the preparatory stage, Vajra, yours and everyone else's.

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posted March 09, 2015 04:43 PM            

Do share the charts, but realise that Twin Flame synastry is rare, and very, very rarely in relationships where there cannot be a divine merging of masculine and feminine.

Three years is a blink in the eye of time; I can certainly relate to the story you conveyed in regards to soul sisters I've had for 15-20 years. (Our astrology oddly enough DOES show it, too.) But they really are apples and oranges. I have NO doubt that you're soul-family, and very, very likely in such close proximity to you, that you do operate on the same frequency. Imagine that our soul-family 'broadcasts' on the same frequency, while our Twin 'vibrates' at the same frequency along that frequency. It's almost a frequency within a frequency. It becomes that specific.

posted March 09, 2015 04:57 PM            

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Hieros Gamos. At the appropriate time, that's a VERY powerful ritual.

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You bet!

Weirdly this was what I had been dreaming about, 2 weeks before crossing paths with him. Though I was not at all understanding the implications of that dream back then (and I still hesitate to look into that too deeply, in case I might get blinded by the light. :laughinhg: ).

And upon waking up the words "Sacred Marriage" were suddenly in my mind, and it confused me endlessly, I definitely had not heard them before, but they were there all at once, and for some reason they scared the crap out of me.

posted March 09, 2015 05:01 PM            

Forgive how convoluted it all is. I'm still trying to understand it myself, as it's rather recent.

The latest theory, which iQ suggested, is that the man born with my Twin's (intended) chart may be a different soul. I KNOW. It sounds way out there, but if I review the past several years through that lens ... suddenly ... SO much begins to bizarrely make sense. (The 'schizophrenic' behaviour; having two separate personalities, etc.)

We're now theorising that the ACTUAL purpose for a Guardian Soul, as I've mentioned, may very well be to fulfill the Twin Flame relationship, by allowing the Twin Flame to be 'channelled' by the other soul. (Believe it or not, there's strange evidence for this, too.)

Here's where things get ... incredible. And it all really goes back to when I was 19, and my Twin was 15. It can be argued our Higher Selves were hovering from much, much younger ages than this, but that certain decisions were made and courses were set -- that far back, before we ever met.

And now I DO wonder, how I'm able to have a genuine Twin Flame relationship, with my Guardian, rather than my Twin? And if that wasn't somehow 'secretly the plan all along'.