posted March 13, 2015 04:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
It's great how you dealt with the harsh lesson he gave you, congrats for that! And all the more impressive for you to be able to be grateful for it, too. Interestingly, my friend is also dishonest in his romantic relationships (one of the reasons why I'm glad we never hooked up) and although he knows I value honesty very much, and am therefore not happy when he philanders behind his wife's back, he feels comfortable telling me about his transgressions because he knows although I will give him a piece of my mind, I won't judge him, only the action, and that it doesn't detract from my appreciation of him as a person. I see this issue as his primary personal area of growth and I, as his friend, can sometimes give him a verbal slap and get him thinking about the consequences of his actions - without this having anything much to do with me, or with our mutual friendship. He also set me on a certain path through our early interactions, and I often feel that's indeed what we came into each other's lives for. I feel certain this 'soul group' theory is correct, and that we have already shared many, many lifetimes.

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Thank you Vajra!

I resonate with this parallel of judging the action but not the person. And I believe it does show a strong connection between the 2 souls, more understanding and empathy perhaps which prevent you from vilifying them. The guy I described, had previous history of physical infidelity, as it turned out. While his relationship with me was emotional, it was definitely stepping over some common-sense boundaries. It was all because he was feeling helpless in taking charge of his life, and didn't want to hurt anyone around him. He was deeply unhappy with his life for a while - now thankfully he's gotten on the right track and made some major changes in his own life. But his infidelity, while something I absolutely hated about him, was a symptom of deeper problems so I didn't see him as a villain.

I believe you and I are both blessed with having these encounters in our lives. I feel it has made us more compassionate towards situations which one would normally be judgemental about. I for one used to be very judgemental about people's behaviour before this whole saga, now I don't see things as black-and-white anymore.

posted March 13, 2015 06:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I'm fond of (and have found a lot supporting) the view that some of us specifically returned for a greater mission here on Earth, namely in the realm of unconditional love.

It's my own spin that we have outstanding karma with certain higher level souls, which may have been lingering for either a while, or could be more recent.

Plato's notion is both useful and metaphorically endearing, but I don't believe we all have Twin Flames and are here to reunite with them. I don't believe it's an equal society, so to speak, but nor am I classist by any stretch. Eldest aid the young, the young inspire the older. There's a system in place; if you operate with love, respect, and honesty, it works quite well.

Instead, I feel we've -- erm, Twin Flames -- have returned to Earth to clear any karma we have here, which allows us to take a crack at Ascension. So, we're older and have 'graduated' many other parts of the programme, so to speak, but have opted to select other realms of experience over completing our education. So the Earth is a kind of beautiful meeting place as well as a battle ground. I'm becoming of the opinion some of us have stayed away from here because of the karma we've amassed. We weren't fond of having to return.

Nonetheless, when you're so very close to returning to true Unity, and many members of your Oversoul are also eager to leave the Earth system, you find you're a bit ... duty-bound. And so, you return to the third dimension to pick up where you left off, and the rest is ... this lifeline.

I hold a very unique view, mind, which is rather a hodgepodge of many scraps collected along the way. It's what resonates most with me, and I've come to find fits my personal reality. Whatever works, right? We may carry differing maps, but we all have the same destination.

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I think Earth is the only paradise we get, get used to it!

Just kidding.

Partly not kidding in the sense that I believe paradise is an altered (better) vision of here and now.

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posted March 13, 2015 06:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
@LeeLoo: Slightly OT, but thank you for connecting this topic with Plato's cave allegory! Hadn't looked at it for a long time, and now noticed that it describes the awakening process and the fetters of the mind in a very similar way as the oldest layer of the Buddhist teachings. How wonderful! They were roughly contemporaneous, too... with the Buddha a little earlier. Makes me wonder whether there's a connection, as there seems to be between Buddhism and Raja Yoga as well. All these ancients basically came to the same conclusions re: human nature (or rather, the nature of all sentient beings not limited to humans) and I often feel there's really "nothing new under the Sun" in this regard!

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They had more time to think about these things

I think they were predicting the future though, us or something beginning with us, the next generations.

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posted March 13, 2015 10:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
It stationed on my birthday, Aurora. Meaning it went direct later that day. So, I was technically born with it stationary -- not 'moving' at all. (Though, granted, it's an illusion, movement of them.) Just before my birth, it was retrograde. After, it went direct. But when I was born, it was stationary.

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Would that mean it's speed was O'O"?Not 'moving' at all?

And thank you again for your explanation Aubyanne

posted March 13, 2015 11:19 PM            

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Originally posted by IntuitiveJ:
What an amazing story!
Do either of you have other partners?

I can only strive for my connection to end up as something similar to what you wrote. It is a soothing feeling to take that electric energy I once felt and channel it into pure and "acceptance" type energy.
I'm not 100% there yet Hopefully I will be one day.

Thank you SO much for sharing your experience w/ me

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God, I would love that. If he were open, and honest, and genuine. :: sigh :: He feels like a brother to me these days. If only he could just be real.

posted March 13, 2015 11:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Stationary planets are said to be EXTREMELY important and significant, due to their "standing still", it is like planting your feet strongly into the earth, saying: LOOK HERE!

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Exactly. Did I mention his ALICE is stationary? That made me laugh. AND his CHIRON.

posted March 13, 2015 11:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Aurora_girl1990:
Would that mean it's speed was O'O"?Not 'moving' at all?

And thank you again for your explanation Aubyanne

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No worries, Aurora.

posted March 14, 2015 01:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
No worries, Aurora.

The stationary period of a NODE is harder to read on Astro.com and in traditional reports. I suggest going to planetwatcher.com, and actually looking at the week of your birth. You'll notice if it was direct and went retrograde, or was retrograde and went direct, around your birthday. The stationary period is the duration in which it's about to switch direction. It won't be exactly 0'00" unless it's exact. Which COULD be possible, but it's not ... likely.

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posted March 14, 2015 03:44 AM            

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Nah, we're not special…we only think we are! If anything, I tend to think that these days, many more people have access to all kinds of knowledge, and more leisure time (because actually, we Westerners have much more spare time at our hands than poor hardworking people in antiquity ever had with the exception of a very few privileged ones), and thus, a greater portion of mankind has the option of pursuing personal development goals as a conscious choice…so in that sense, we are representing progress on a quantitative scale maybe.... but I think everything men can achieve in spiritual terms has already been achieved many times in history, since very long ago; the road has always existed and is always open, just sometimes, it has to be rediscovered by a few pioneers after it fell into neglect

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posted March 14, 2015 03:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Aurora_girl1990:
What if it's speed was 1'20" (with no minus sign behind it).Would that mean it's direct?or stationary?

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The minus sign would be before the speed not behind. But if there is no minus, then yes the nodes were direct. Usually if planets are stationary you will find a little "S" after the planet symbols. Something like

Saturn SD - meaning that Saturn is stationary and on the brink to become direct again, if he were to become retrograde it would be Saturn SR

At the moment my progressed Mercury is slowing down to prepare for going retrograde.

While Mercury`s average daily speed would be about 1°, in my progressions it is at only 31 minutes and getting slower, it is not yet stationary though.

This will happen on 17th september 2017 in the progressions. Pr Mercury stopping in the sky and then going retrograde. Hence for that day there is a little "SR" behind my Mercury symbol. Interestingly he will do so on 25°25 Aquarius (which is just one degree of my natal Psyche).

What this means in the mean time is that though usually Mercury-progressions are quickly over, due to its average quick speed, in my case they last much longer, even for the last years when he slowed down. He is a "heavier" planet for me thus than for most (in progressions).

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posted March 14, 2015 07:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
The minus sign would be before the speed not behind. But if there is no minus, then yes the nodes were direct. Usually if planets are stationary you will find a little "S" after the planet symbols. Something like

Saturn SD - meaning that Saturn is stationary and on the brink to become direct again, if he were to become retrograde it would be Saturn SR

At the moment my progressed Mercury is slowing down to prepare for going retrograde.

While Mercury`s average daily speed would be about 1°, in my progressions it is at only 31 minutes and getting slower, it is not yet stationary though.

This will happen on 17th september 2017 in the progressions. Pr Mercury stopping in the sky and then going retrograde. Hence for that day there is a little "SR" behind my Mercury symbol. Interestingly he will do so on 25°25 Aquarius (which is just one degree of my natal Psyche).

What this means in the mean time is that though usually Mercury-progressions are quickly over, due to its average quick speed, in my case they last much longer, even for the last years when he slowed down. He is a "heavier" planet for me thus than for most (in progressions).

I also had Pluto going retrograde in the past years, but this one is slow in motion anyway.

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posted March 14, 2015 07:55 AM            

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We surely will. Just even though we might look at the same thing, well we see the same?

Ponders MY peregrine Uranus.

And brings me back to the little girl I was asking my mom if other people see the colour RED the same way I do, and if not, how could I ever really know what it is they see, how they see it.
And why can`t I see into other people`s head, seeing through their eyes, listening through their ears, so I could know EXACTLY what it is they experience?

posted March 16, 2015 07:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
God, I would love that. If he were open, and honest, and genuine. :: sigh :: He feels like a brother to me these days. If only he could just be real.

Anyway. I'm so glad to hear of the updates, IJ! That's wonderful! You absolutely deserve it.

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posted March 16, 2015 11:38 AM            

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We surely will. Just even though we might look at the same thing, well we see the same?

Ponders MY peregrine Uranus.

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Yes, this.

I do not participate much in these threads because I don't buy the "twin flame" concept at all. Soul mates, yes; soul-groups or soul-families, probably. But another person (and only one person) as my other half? Hell no. I'm a complete soul and as near as I can tell, everyone I know is too. Only some people who have twin flames, if twin flames do exist? Not likely. Twin flame (or soul-mates) as perfect love? Depends upon what you mean by perfect love - for everyone I know, even those in long-term, deep mutual love relationships, life on Earth is hard as hell, filled with challenges, disagreements, and sadness, regardless of whether they have found their "perfect" partner or not.

Nor do I think this (or any future) generation is more enlightened or advanced spiritually (or whatever words you want to use) than in the past.

I was however, thinking as I was reading before I came to Ceri's post, what if all perspectives were true? Certainly, they are true for the people who believe them, but what if they are all literally true at the same time?

posted March 16, 2015 01:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Delilah423:

I was however, thinking as I was reading before I came to Ceri's post, what if all perspectives were true? Certainly, they are true for the people who believe them, but what if they are all literally true at the same time?

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Ceridwen and Delilah423,

what you two wrote reminds me of the Elephant parable, do you know it?

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Ramakrishna's version, taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant:

A number of blind men came to an elephant. Somebody told them that it was an elephant. The blind men asked, ‘What is the elephant like?’ and they began to touch its body. One of them said: 'It is like a pillar.' This blind man had only touched its leg. Another man said, ‘The elephant is like a husking basket.’ This person had only touched its ears. Similarly, he who touched its trunk or its belly talked of it differently. In the same way, he who has seen the Lord in a particular way limits the Lord to that alone and thinks that He is nothing else.

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posted March 16, 2015 05:12 PM            

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I love greens in general, always have. But when I see flashes of light (and rather often I suddenly see all my surroundings glow, light up, and then get translucent to the point of vanishing in the light) it's not colored, but bluish white or sometimes golden white light. It seems to form a sort of bubble around me. I'm sure there's a fancy name for the phenomenon but I'm too lazy to find out what it is How about you? What do you see? Are there special kinds of moments where the light effects become noticeable?

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Bluish and golden white light...you're already in your Crown chakra You must find out what it means yourself, it's big!

I do see all kinds of little green people myself just kidding, I mean the colors, but it's too big of a topic to discuss it now.

But I will share I dreamed the other night of a violet window, and then last night a blue one, and it happened as it should be with these two colors: violet/purple is a special third eye opening heralding an insight is near, and blue (sky blue) is "truth". And oops! it really happened this way. I was seeing things the wrong way, because of the veil of darkness caused by past wounds.

The most amazing thing was that in the violet dream, a woman totally veiled in black (covered with a black veil, whom I perceived to be me), walked out of the purple window, coming towards me. But only today, after the blue, came the "bingo!"

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posted March 16, 2015 05:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
We surely will. Just even though we might look at the same thing, well we see the same?

Ponders MY peregrine Uranus.

And brings me back to the little girl I was asking my mom if other people see the colour RED the same way I do, and if not, how could I ever really know what it is they see, how they see it.
And why can`t I see into other people`s head, seeing through their eyes, listening through their ears, so I could know EXACTLY what it is they experience?

Weird stuff like that. Well my mom assured me that it was a good thing I could nOT look into other people`s head anymore than I already did. She always expected the worst.

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posted March 16, 2015 05:29 PM            

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I think you may be onto something

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Very nice, Vajra And yes, it is a matter of revelation/perspective, maybe it has to do with the archetypes Vajra described, finding out a mono archetype instead of a dual one.

Delilah, I have found mine and it is dual, but I don't know if it's supposed to be the same for everyone or if these are all parallel stories. Both versions are wonderful: a single story of the world, parallel stories. Along with the archetype, I also discovered the story of the world, a myth, as I have lived it, my soul, from the beginning. It's a creationist myth, but again, maybe it was my side of the story. All I can tell you is that from the moment I have found my archetype, loneliness disappeared. Before, I had the same perception as you, that we are alone, a mono god self-contained and self-sufficient, by this I mean that our ultimate nature is mono.

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posted March 16, 2015 08:11 PM            

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Yes, this.

I do not participate much in these threads because I don't buy the "twin flame" concept at all. Soul mates, yes; soul-groups or soul-families, probably. But another person (and only one person) as my other half? Hell no. I'm a complete soul and as near as I can tell, everyone I know is too. Only some people who have twin flames, if twin flames do exist? Not likely. Twin flame (or soul-mates) as perfect love? Depends upon what you mean by perfect love - for everyone I know, even those in long-term, deep mutual love relationships, life on Earth is hard as hell, filled with challenges, disagreements, and sadness, regardless of whether they have found their "perfect" partner or not.

Nor do I think this (or any future) generation is more enlightened or advanced spiritually (or whatever words you want to use) than in the past.

I was however, thinking as I was reading before I came to Ceri's post, what if all perspectives were true? Certainly, they are true for the people who believe them, but what if they are all literally true at the same time?

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I'm more inclined to believe the all-perspectives-are-true explanation as well. I've also never been able to 'buy into' the notion that I'M not a complete being; that I MUST have some other half of 'me' hanging out there, and 'I' am not complete until I have reunited with that other half.

Notice how much women are hung up on the Twin Flame thing? I'm sorry, but we ARE the ones who were raised on faerie-tales -- in western civilisation essentially told until the 20th century that our survival depended upon our ability to marry and create a family -- and, in third world countries, or eastern civilisation, continues today. In other words, we've got a longer history with being told we need men to 'complete' us. Alas, a lot of the Twin Flame 'literature' emphasises this 'you are incomplete until' notion. And, I'm sorry, that's NOT something I can get behind. It feels like it goes completely against, dare I say, the entire principle of achieving true oneness?