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posted September 20, 2012 11:44 PM            

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May I suggest, do all the exercises together, as the book says. I started with 3 of each exercise, and slowly worked up, adding 2 per week to each exercise. They are powerful! No need to hurry with it.
He even explains in the book that the yogis in India who only spin end up looking old. (Something about overactivating certain chakras, out of balance with the rest.)
Oh, I LOVE that you are trying it out, Maklhouf!!! I LOVE LOVE LOVE this book.
(BTW--on the "immortal in the world" topic, I just sent a submission for an audition and decided to put my "real" age on the form. They didn't blink an eye! haha They usually don't care at all or even ask about your "age"; just what you look like, your resume, and if you're reliable. My feeling is, they probably didn't even notice the "age", just looked at the pictures and resume. BUT this is something I am trying to find a solution for--"age" in business when I look younger than that number. Maybe it's perfect, because I have a youthful look, but real-world experience, too. I'm a pro on set.)
And on food, I think relaxation about the subject is key here! I have noticed that the people who are the most rigid about food had a food-obsession they just traded around! Now they're "obsessed" with eating healthy or whatever, but they're STILL obsessed. Sometimes it even feels like a real superiority/elitism thing for some people.(The times I've been most rigid about food, when I look back, it now looks more obsessive than healthy. Jus' sayin'! =)) I DON'T want to be constantly thinking about food, all day. Plus, I think if you try and go too "pure" with your body, you end up with all sorts of sensitivities and allergies and an inability to fend off stuff. I want to be very strong and engaged in life!
I like to call myself a "Luxitarian"--I'm a vegetarian unless there's lobster or caviar around! LOL!!! (Really, I just feel better not eating dead stuff.)
Keep me posted on your adventures with that book!!! And share any of your tips, I'd love to hear them.

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posted September 21, 2012 12:01 AM            

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And the "clockwise, counter-clockwise" thing is interesting.
I would say to follow Kelder's directions EXACTLY for his exercises.
If you have studied any "witchcraft," they spin clockwise to create, and deosil (counter) to undo stuff, IF my memory serves me correctly! =) Right is giving/creating/masculine, left is receiving/feminine; to put it another way.
A long time ago, I noticed and commented to a hip friend of mine--"isn't it interesting that baseball players spend SO MUCH time running deosil?!"
THIS kind of stuff is what makes all this "New Age" stuff SO fascinating!!! You really have to use a combination of intuition and trial to find what works for you.

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posted September 21, 2012 04:37 AM            

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I am now thinking maybe Linda died because she was spiralling the wrong way.Most schools tell you to spiral clockwise.
Yes, the social/business aspect is the most problematic part of this discipline.

My friend knew someone who died because they were too pure in their eating habits _ a fruitarian. Good vegetarians with good diets die of cancer, so eat what you like. GM crops and radiation are the killers now

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posted September 21, 2012 10:10 AM            

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not entirely sure that Linda was following any of the steps she put forth... i am strongly inclined to believe that she simply gave the information to those who would listen without the intention of doing it herself...

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posted September 21, 2012 11:09 PM            

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Thanks for the lively responses, Mak & emi!
It's like Xmas morning every night for me on the Forum.
I thought last night that when you screw things in with a screwdriver, you screw right to secure it and left to undo it. Maybe it's not more complex than that! LOL!!
A neighbor of mine as a kid and I used to spin around in the front yard until we fell over. We called ourselves the "Dizzy Sisters"! LOL! (I recall spinning right, BTW.)
Yeah, emi, it's always interesting that people can be such amazing channels, but maybe are not applying the info. to themselves, much. (Most authors I've met are totally like this.) You have to wonder how much of her teachings LG really followed.
It's the "physician, heal thyself," stuff.
And that is SO interesting about the food stuff, Mak! I never liked meat much, ever, and realized in college that it'd been 6 months since I had a cheeseburger. I asked myself, "Do I want one? No! I guess I'm a vegetarian now." LOL. And I don't do all the combining, etc., other than to try and occasionally get a "complete" protein in me. My nails break if I'm needing protein. ENJOYMENT is key for me here! That's my North Star. lol
I had not heard of anyone dying from being too pure with the food, but I believe it!
My feeling is, (and, hey, I've got Sun and Rising in Earth signs, BTW, lol) we live in a "dirty" Universe and I have an immune system to handle that. I NEVER use hand sanitizers, for this reason. I wash my hands, but I think sanitizers weaken your immune system. No thanks!
It is odd that we are put here on this gorgeous planet and then spend so much time DENYING ourselves stuff. LOL!! I don't want to feel "separate" from life. A lot of it seems like a GUILT-trip, really. It's something to think about.
The PROOF of the pudding IS in the mirror...and the living! LOL!!!

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posted September 22, 2012 02:51 AM            

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The fruitarian died because she was ill, in a hospital, where she was suddenly forced to eat normal food.

You are so right. This is a grubby world and we can't be too clean if we are going to deal with it. Homeopathic doses of the mortal disease are necessary

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posted September 22, 2012 05:15 AM            

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So this is even MORE fascinating!
What was the fruitarian sick with?
I think it's A Course in Miracles that says, "Sickness is the cure in process." The symptom is leaving and you have to support it in doing that.
I can imagine a sudden shift to hospital food would be enough to do in a fruitarian!
I just want to feel ONE with God, and the world, instead of always at odds with it.
Life is messy, and I love it! LOL!!!

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posted September 23, 2012 10:48 AM            

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I do not know the details of the illness. The hospital was warned not to take her off the fruit diet, but ignored the warning and her body could not handle the new toxins.

I think Linda must have be intellectualising from the screwdriver principle. Perhaps she did not know that most experts say that the subconscious does not hear negative commands. In other words, to tell it to unwind aging would not have good results.

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posted September 23, 2012 09:07 PM            

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Interesting! It makes sense that a sudden dietary shift of that magnitude would lead to dire consequences.
The subconscious is very interesting.
I am still struggling to heal another layer of PTSD from childhood that came up about 4 years ago. I found a new technique 2 months ago that deals with the amygdala. Not sure it's working, much, unfortunately.
Finding ways to get the subconscious to change and feel totally safe with it is challenging, I have found. (Everything so far overpromises and underdelivers for me.)
It does make sense that maybe one should focus on "youthing" or "staying young" instead of "undoing age". Hmmm, never thought about it quite like that!
So much of this mind-stuff, and how it REALLY works, is still a mystery.

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posted September 23, 2012 09:25 PM            

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OH, and one OTHER thing, lol!
I would LOVE to know more about Linda's advisors on all this info.
I've ALWAYS been super-curious about that.
"Nahtan" and all that.
Fascinating!

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posted September 24, 2012 06:19 AM            

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I think it is crucial that we know these things. Serious researchers always quote their sources, but Linda got away with it because she was writing, ostensibly, about an area not considered serious.

Yes, the subconscious is a mysterious area. It seems that society grabs hold of our subconscious as soon as we arrive here, so that by the time we know we have one, it already working on society's behalf, and, usually against us.

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posted September 25, 2012 01:36 AM            

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Yeah, I LOVE to know sources! LOL!!! Good point that maybe the "esoteric" nature of her work provided an easy veil for her. The people that I know who teach this stuff are actually super-easy to contact. They love it!
Hmmm, I truly think she had the BEST of intentions, and did hr mission to the very best of her ability.
(I was just reading that she overindulged in sweets, coffee, and cigarettes; BUT put them on a purple plate first. I have purple plates. I never thought to put my chocolate on them.)
The Masters disseminate info. on their own timetable. Did you see the recently unearthed piece of papyrus where Jesus refers to his wife?!
And yes, the subconscious is our best friend...or NOT!!! (LOL!)
(Wish MINE were easier to change, but ONLY by me! LOL! No "Manchurian Candidate", here, thank you very much. )

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posted September 25, 2012 10:25 AM            

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The idea that Jesus might have been married is not new. I did own some purple plates but I did not see much benefit from them. Presumably Wiccan unwinding is done to undo a particular spell? The only other discipline I know of that uses negative commands to positive effect is the Alexander technique. http://www.helium.com/items/2359627-the-alexander-technique-as-it-affects-the-whole-person

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posted September 26, 2012 02:39 AM            

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**CORRECTION**
(LOL!!!)
Deosil is clockwise movement, used in spells to create things.
Widdershins is counterclockwise movement, used in magic to banish or destroy.
(I still find it interesting that baseball players run counter-clockwise.)
Thanks for the Alexander link--I've always been curious about it.
The timing of disseminated spiritual info. fascinates me. So now there's front-page talk about Jesus' wife! Love it!

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posted September 29, 2012 07:55 AM            

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I, too, am enjoying the turn this discussion has taken, but to return for a moment to the original subject - even though about dozen people have said here, that they never have a need to lie about their age and they always take a stand for their immortalist beliefs, I would bet that not even one of them has concealed their "true age" from their spouse or life partner. I would say that a "significant other" would be hurt or repelled if you took a stand over that. Prove me wrong!

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posted September 30, 2012 05:28 AM            

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I have never been married, but I'm thinking signing the marriage license has to be a "moment of Truth," LOL!!!
I'd never marry anyone who wasn't hip to youthing, anyway.

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posted September 30, 2012 09:19 PM            

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You're also assuming a kind of "absolute" here that I don't agree with.
I think youthing and choosing to tell my age when I feel like it (legal docs., etc.) are not mutually exclusive.
I feel no moral inconsistency on this.

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posted October 01, 2012 07:59 AM            

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You have been honest about the challenges you meet along the way to youth and immortality. I have no doubt you are 100% genuine. My last post is directed to those who have claimed here that they never have any difficulties and the whole trip is plain sailing.

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posted October 01, 2012 11:57 AM            

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Originally posted by MAKLHOUF:
... I would bet that not even one of them has concealed their "true age" from their spouse or life partner. I would say that a "significant other" would be hurt or repelled if you took a stand over that. Prove me wrong!

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the first issue with this is placing every person on a level playing ground and that is simply not the case... a spouse most certainly rates more highly than a causal friend or aquaintence - by that thought process alone one naturally shares more of themselves and their core beliefs with a "spouse"... second issue is that you're assuming that the spouse wouldn't have the same belief... third problem - you keep re-iterating that all immortalists lie or conceal their "true age" when it's been pointed out to you that it really depends on the circumstance... lying about one's age is not the same as simply choosing to not disclose it to the world at large when prompted to do so... you seem to have taken the stance that immortalists must, by some strange default, become isolationists and i don't think that's accurate...

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posted October 02, 2012 01:23 AM            

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Got it!
(Youthing is something I am always learning to manage, in a primarily deathist world.)
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posted October 02, 2012 01:55 AM            

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Emitres, nothing you have said concerning why I started this thread is true. I specifically stated it was to do with concealing things from those close to you. If any person puts forward a superficially positive view that there are no problems to be encountered in this area, I am right in assuming they are only paying lip service to the discipline, but that is the only assumption that I am making.

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posted October 02, 2012 11:19 AM            

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i actually wasn't refering to why you started the thread... i was responding to your latest assertion by reiterating what's been said by others... it appears to me that you want so desperately to believe that all of us have encountered some of the same problems you have that you can not accept it when someone tells you that they personally haven't... remember that one of Linda's "rules" wasn't to hide your belief in physical immortality - rather, share it with everyone you know, many will laugh or scorn but you also may find someone who shares your belief...

perhaps the difficulty we're having is your definition of someone "close" to you is different than my definition

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posted October 02, 2012 12:36 PM            

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By all means look forward to a world where everybody lives forever, has as many children and families as they want and never meets with any opposition. I do not expect you to agree with me, but because Diamond Goddess has made a similar point, I will deal with the assertion that someone close to you will necessarily share similar opinions. That is complete nonsense.

It may happen sometimes that spouses are in agreement on major points, but more often opposites attract. That why the marriage house is the opposing house. People share a house and a bed even though one is opposed and the other is in favour of bombing civilians in Afghanistan for instance. Members of the same family often have nothing
in common with their siblings etc. The list could go on and on.

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posted October 02, 2012 09:27 PM            

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Why would an immortal marry a deathist (unless it's an act of self-sabotage)?
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posted October 03, 2012 11:33 AM            

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You do not fall in love with a person based on their beliefs.Usually you do not even know their beliefs when you fall for them. That comes later. Usually where there is an appearance of two minds thinking alike, this is a case of conversion. A man wants to make a Jewish woman his own so he becomes a Jew. If she were a Catholic or a Muslim, he would have converted to that. That is how deep it goes.

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