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maklhouf
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posted April 17, 2008 06:46 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am impressed by the moral rectitude displayed by the mothers of Lindaland, but if you become physical immortal you will have to lie to everybody everyday about everything. How will you find that? What explanation will you give those who have known you from a child as to why you never age?

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bunnies
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posted April 17, 2008 08:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bunnies     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've managed to get away with it for years!
Just smile sweetly and say "I know...amazing isn't it? Fabulous genetics darling!!

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maklhouf
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posted April 17, 2008 08:17 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And when you are younger than your own neices and nephews?

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robyn.c
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posted April 17, 2008 01:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
then THEY buy YOU birthday presents

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maklhouf
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posted April 17, 2008 04:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And it won't bother you to be pointed out everywhere as some kind of freak?

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fieryscales
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posted April 17, 2008 05:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would think the people that knew you from childhood would still love you if you told them the truth, whether they believe you or not.
Who knows, perhaps 1 in 10 people you tell would be interested in physical immortality and practise it.

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bunnies
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posted April 17, 2008 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bunnies     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is some kind of theory that if you do not wish to be seen,then hide in plain sight.
If people stsrt asking then you begin to explain about respirals, immortality and the fact that your cells are reversing to whatever age you desire.

Whereupon people who are not familiar with the concept will begin to glaze over with that fear you get when you realize you are talking to a total fruit loop.


This is your cue to laugh merrily and say
"Just kidding darling...fabulous genes!!

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maklhouf
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posted August 11, 2008 04:54 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lying is not just a matter of bad faith. It can lose you your liberty. A number of people are jailed each year for lying in their passports, presumably about their age. Of course lying can also gain you your liberty.

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charmainec
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posted August 11, 2008 05:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charmainec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have asked this question many times and decided to take it as it comes. There are no rules stating that one has to lie.I guess some people fear they may be used as lab experiments if they told the truth or there would be too much fuss. People are much more open minded these days and if you noticed they are trying all sorts of methods to maintain their youth.

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What lies behind us, and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us ~Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Randall
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posted August 12, 2008 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Ancients viewed lying in a different light. If you harm another with a lie, that's wrong in my opinion, but lies which protect others or are completely harmless in nature are not lying in that sense of the word.

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fieryscales
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posted August 13, 2008 11:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Randall, are you talking about " Little white Lies"?

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Randall
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posted August 13, 2008 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, and also just lies that really don't matter. Why should it hurt anyone if I lie about my age?

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fieryscales
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posted August 14, 2008 10:27 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Randall.

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maklhouf
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posted January 13, 2009 12:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I feel shabby and shallow when I live the lie. Also scared of being found out. I wish I could take lying lightly and just blame it on the buggers who tried to turn me into a number in the first place

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good girl
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posted January 13, 2009 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for good girl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On the other thread you said you believed people should be allowed to hold their own beliefs, even if that included death.

But what? It stops when it includes lying?

Although I personally am not comfortable lying, however I foresee certain problems and even danger if I chose not to lie.

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maklhouf
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posted January 14, 2009 08:27 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is one thing to insit that somebody backs up your views about immortality, because that makes it easier for you to beleive. Lying is different. It shows contempt of and a feeling of superiority to the other person. People are rarely forgiven when others find out they have been lied to.

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maklhouf
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posted January 14, 2009 08:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The point is that this kind of lying can actually be illegal; and can lead to State punishment of one kind or another

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katatonic
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posted January 15, 2009 05:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i saw benjamin button the other day and while it doesn't address immortality perse it does broach the question of how people who i will call "time freaks" are seen by others. and the answer seems to me to be that 1) most people will assume you have had surgery; 2) many others will just not really register that you are unchanging; 3)it may be necessary to move sometimes to avoid detection...like the salem witches who were burned at the stake for staying young n purty too long!! but by and large the people who loved benjamin just accepted that he was "born different" and love has a way of making that possible...

i think immortality would make it necessary to develop a certain detachment from personal bonds...the willingness to relocate on a fairly regular basis, fake death and start again perhaps??

i don't think you can plan to stay the same age forever with the same people...

on the other hand whose business is it how old you are??

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good girl
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posted January 15, 2009 09:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for good girl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
maklhouf:
I disagree about lying being a contempt of others and feeling superior.

someone may ask how I feel and I may lie because I don't want to worry someone else. Or because I don't want to spend 10 minutes going on when what they really want is a passing answer.

Specifically if I were to lie about my age it would be out of fear (if I were 200,look 25 would they turn me in to be examined against my will,or worse)...
or fear of being thought a freak...
or I just wouldn't want it to be such a big deal ...

no contempt or feelings of superiority, I don't usually feel those things about people.

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posted January 15, 2009 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for good girl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The problem I have with lying is that God said not to...and I think it undermines our beliefs if we do so (how can we believe what we say if we know ourselves to be liars--and if I say I will live to 200, I want to believe I mean it).

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Chrispy
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posted January 16, 2009 02:12 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I think one of the big parts of immortally is letting go of chronological age. People directly connect age with how you look anyway so is it really lying to say the age you look and feel.

Usually people ask "how old are you" and no matter if you are 21 or 200, if you look 21 that's how old you are in my opinion. Or really how young you are in that case haha.

Legally I could see that becoming an issue but in this dawning of the aquarian age you might be able to state your true age without being call crazy or a freak. And if that's all that happens then no worrys, I'd rather b called crazy then burned at the stake. Now a days I could see people being more interested in such a thing anyway.

I think the easiest thing to do is just say "oh i don't know, I don't really believe chronological age" or "How old do you think I am" and don't respond with a yes or no when asked if they were right in their guess.

Just stay mysterious, people dig that stuff anyway. If they're really that interested just give them a copy of Star Signs. That would be the best, giving someone knowledge and joy of understanding would earn you some karma points too. Then, if they come back tell them the truth and your experience with the knowledge.

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katatonic
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posted January 16, 2009 01:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"21 again" is a good one...or 39, 0r 76 - whatever...it tells people to mind their own business without really lying because no one will believe you MEAN 21 again!

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LysandraCarrion
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posted March 01, 2009 04:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well loves, tell the truth!!
ex.
"How old are you?"
"Oh, I'm almost 203..."
"Haha, yeah, I'm sure."
"No, really!"
"Okay, fine! Don't tell me!!"

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Pumpkin Peace
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posted March 06, 2009 01:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LysandraCarrion is right. Just tell them the truth, if anything. If you don't want to say anything, however, there are so many people who don't like people knowing how old they are because they want to seem younger, etc. So you won't sound like a freak if you want to keep your age secret.
What people mostly want to know when they ask you your age is how mentally mature and experienced you are. People have these mindsets about how mature a person of a certain age is supposed to be and how much knowledge they have. They're thinking that it helps them get to know you a little better. They don't realize it very consciously, of course. It's just become a habit to them, since people like to think that they know more than they really do, because most are afraid of the unknown. It helps them feel more familiar and comfortable with you.

So you can just tell them something else about yourself instead! Like your hobbies and what you do for a living or something you've achieved in life. Besides, if it's a stranger asking you, then you have no obligation to answer them. It really isn't any of their business.

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katatonic
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posted March 06, 2009 04:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well i used linda's gambit for years, first claiming my right not to "age" myself and when pressed, admitting to be, say 274..after a while people get the picture, that you won't tell and it probably isn't their business!!

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