posted January 09, 2003 12:30 PM              

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For a long time, I found it hard to say 'no'. The effect that all the drugs had and what they induced and amplified overwhelmed me...and I loved it.

But always social, always with friends.

The Piscean element comes to the fore...I like to drift off and get washed away...

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posted January 09, 2003 03:07 PM              

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posted January 09, 2003 05:50 PM              

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I was wondering about this just the other day! I don't drink. But I've always wondered if, when I became more uninhibited, my Capricorn moon would come out. I have Libra rising, and on the inside I come up with very wickedly funny, biting and sarcastic thoughts about people but would never EVER say it to their faces. I just fantasize about doing it. In other words, I fantasize about being a cold ***** , haha. Maybe my agreeable, friendly mask would disappear.

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posted January 09, 2003 07:46 PM              

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Oxychick and finance chick, LOL

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posted January 09, 2003 07:56 PM              

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Fajita-you're here!

Lost Leo-This thread made me think about all of the Pisces I know...and I realize that everyone I know with either Pisces Sun/Asc (I don;t know any Pisces moons) have depressive tendencies. Sort of like a never-ending sadness, if that makes sense. So maybe drinking/drugs added to that just don't equal a good thing. Just my 2 cents.

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posted January 09, 2003 08:01 PM              

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Yes- my friend is pisces too and her sadness and despair gets worse when she drinks or does hard drugs but not really pot.

Oxychick

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posted January 09, 2003 09:15 PM              

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posted January 09, 2003 09:21 PM              

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Where do you live in Ca? I was born and raised there

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posted January 09, 2003 09:22 PM              

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Many guys have problems being the uber-lover when high.

Some even have it when they're not high

I've never known an introverted Leo!

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posted January 09, 2003 09:27 PM              

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yes, I know it's very humorous...one time I was in the middle of a club and I was sweating and drunk...and one of my friends (who knows I tend to disrobe when drunk) DARED me to take my shirt off in the middle of the club...yep...you guessed it...the shirt came off...

this past April..i went to my cousin's finace's bachelorette party...we went to a part of town called "Fell's Point" which is a port with bars one after the other...cobblestone streets and all that...it was april..I was drunk and we were walking across the square when I got the urge to take my clothes (my shirt) off...yes...off it came...was met with applauds, cheers and whistles from the guys in the square and waiting in line to get in the bars.

Not something I'm proud of..but hey...it happens....one time I got so plastered..oh nevermind...

but it is a pices thing in terms of how alcohol affects me...REMEMBER..I have my moon AND my ascendant in Pices....I am a hoot when drunk...it is for these reasons that I have never tired drugs...not pot..coke..heroin..speedballing..."E"...never tried it...I can only imagine what it would do to me considering what a lot of alcohol does...

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posted January 10, 2003 02:42 AM              

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True- I could never understand why people always made comments about having sex when rolling. First of all, it already feels like you are having sex. Second of all, it can be really amazing, the bond, the intensity, the closeness, the purity of those feelings can just be awesome. Third of all, men find it hard to climax, as with all methampthetimines.

But I am not telling people to go and do it, and if you do, please know your source, drinks loads of water, OK?

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posted January 10, 2003 06:13 AM              

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Hi all!

I think alcohol (haven't had much experience with drugs, just pot a couple of times) brings out what's dormant in you, what you want to express but you can't otherwise, it goes right for your heart chakra and pulls out your feelings. That's why so many people are addicted to it. Drugs have a different effect, each its own, of course.

In my case, alcohol brings out the happy and carefree side of my nature and the positive sides of my Leo Asc. - I become sunny, cheerful, carefree, I love everybody - all in all I'm a very happy and likable "drunk". And I find that it incerases my libido, but that's common for everybody, right?

But I do agree that people with heavy Neptune influence tend to become depressed, no, not depressed, they just get that faraway look in their eyes and become extremely melancholic and nostalgic. It's like they don't care anymore for the world around them, they just start dreaming with their eyes open...

Interesting topic!

, morgana

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posted January 10, 2003 08:38 AM              

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Lost Leo - I know exactly what you mean about sharing a pill with another. No words necessary...of course, the feeling goes, but you will remember that moment forever...

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posted January 10, 2003 09:14 AM              

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Im sure the brain can naturally secrete whatever chemicals the E tab releases.....without it screwing your hypothalamus

Sex when im drunk/high usually just makes me go to sleep (once in mid-flow LOL)

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posted January 10, 2003 11:58 AM              

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MDMA is making a bit of a comeback on the UK club scene, apparently - because all the pills were rubbish this year, lol.

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posted January 10, 2003 12:11 PM              

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I dunno about shrooms. I ate some when I was in Portland (OR, not MA) - and, I mean, the experience was interesting, but it only seemed like a fuzzy, extended, and counterfeit version of some of the feelings I had during my NDE.

As far as the experience itself, though:
I actually ended-up withdrawing. It was @ a laid-back party in a big house, but it seemed like no matter where I went people came up to me and wouldn't leave me alone (which is what I wanted; I was so in to the feelings and perceptions that I was getting from the environment that I didn't want to deal with anymore, and most people just got really annoying). I ended-up retreating to a group of some friends that I knew wouldn't grate on me, since it seemed like that no matter where I went someone was going to be around. When I had a conversation w/ someone, I honestly had no idea what I was saying - I was completely disconnected from the whole process of speaking. But people later said that they thought that I must've gotten bum shrooms b/c it didn't seem like I was anything but straight.
So shrooms, I guess, caused me to want to or actually disconnect from myself, as opposed to alchohol which can cause me to totally revel in my body.

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"People with heavy Neptune influence tend to become depressed, no, not depressed, faraway look in their eyes and become extremely melancholic and nostalgic. It's like they don't care anymore for the world around them, they just start dreaming with their eyes open..."
I dunno how I missed that b/f.
Yeah, that's pretty much what ends-up happening to me, too (by the end of the night).
Perhaps it's b/c substances take down whatever defenses we've built-up against our natural inclination to do the above. I remember thinking a while back that if I indulged in all the wonder and dreams that strike me, I'd be completely gone and disconnected from the world (that w/o drinking, etc.). That state feels natural - or more natural than normal, waking life, anyway -, and I'm certain that...that I'd not come back in one way or another if I let myself.
So that's why Pisces Suns/Neptunians should indulge infrequently if at all, huh?
The wisdom of the ancients proves itself again. Not that I'm calling Carlo ancient or anything.

Well, LL, I'm glad that we get to see the (more) real you

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posted January 10, 2003 03:10 PM              

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Of course the big question is:

Who was whacked when replying to this thread? heh

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posted January 10, 2003 06:40 PM              

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Unfortunately a life made out of "deep" things ceases to be much fun - for anyone.

See exhibit A

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