posted February 06, 2003 12:08 PM            

Regardless of the age of the user what are the side effects per dose?

If I were to do a study, based on Toxicology (one of my favorite subjects by the way). I would concentrate on the dosage vs effect.

We can still apply the method to your age group. Say we followed 3 groups comprising 1000 teenagers in each group. One group will be taking a standard dose of E, one will be drinking 3 alcoholic beverages and the other is a control group taking a placebo.

Now in the E group say 450 people had an adverse reaction and 25 people actually died as a result of elevated body temperatures.

In the alcohol group 150 people had an adverse reaction and 1 died due to a major reaction to alcohol.

In the control group 35 people complained of adverse effects and no one died.

So what would we determine based on the results? This is how we test drugs to go on the market in clinical trials. Animal and human testing have to be done before approval.

With illegal drugs there is no testing. People consuming the drugs are basically lab rats. That is one of the reasons that illicit drugs will never be legal. Can you imagine the potential lawsuits that companies would face, like Pfizer, Bristol Myers Squibb, if some kid took "Bristol - E" and died? This country is so full of trial lawyers and sue happy freaks that no company would take the chance of marketing such things.

Not to mention how expensive that joint, hit of acid or tablet of E would be to cover the costs of clinical trials, marketing and liability insurance.

Think "Tobacco" companies but on a larger scale.

LOL...

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"Lahn dádzaayú nahikai leh ni' nyelíí k'ehge," Goyathlay (Geronimo)

posted February 07, 2003 09:32 AM              

I couldn't care less if I remind you of your parents That kind of argument should only work on teenagers. (And I'm slightly offended that you may have attempted to imply that I am one...LOL)
I was simply sharing some points I thought were missing, and which happened to be adverse to your standpoint. If that's preaching to you; whatever. (My dad is a Leo; he never listens to anybody). Just maybe somebody appreciated that info (or the break from fantastic stories!) even if you didn't.

posted February 07, 2003 12:19 PM            

Thanks!! By the way, I do hope you know that I wasn't putting you down at all. I was just looking at things from a more clinical / scientific bend without considering the social ramifications. Basically, I have to sometimes take the philosophy that science can only tell you what something is or isn't, not whether it is right or wrong. It's hard to be objective at times, especially when dealing with emotional creatures like humans.

I hope all is well. I am leaving for So Cal tomorrow morning. Ahhhh, but I won't get to spend time at the beach..all business in the agriculture HQ of the state. Tulare here I come!!

Take care,

posted February 20, 2003 06:32 PM              

My personal rundown being an Aries Sun, Aquarius moon and Gemini rising:

Pot: I hate it, makes me paranoid
Alcohol: In a nutshell, I'm a happy drunk, my Aries seems to take over.
E: My Aquarius moon seems to take over, with my Gemini rising leading the way

posted February 20, 2003 06:33 PM            

You are right in a sense about the brains capacity of becoming depressed when certain chemicals are cleared from the body. Every cell or stimulus has a receptor that fits with a specific chemcial. Two receptors that are commonly dicussed are the dopamine and nicotine receptors.

Numerous studies on the effect of drugs on the human body in relation to chemical, psychological and toxicological studies have already been done (N_W Evil please refer to any Toxicology text book and JAMA for studies, all of which have nothing to do with political or sociological pressures...Remember, science does not tell you if it is wrong or right, only what the effect is when taking the action).

Anyway, in the case of the dopamine receptors and a common drug called MPTP (an amphetamine) the chemical FLOODS the receptors thus resulting in a feeling of elation, similar to "E". When the drug has cleared and regular L-dopa is allowed to bind back to the receptors, there is a sense of depression and loss. Too many receptors geared towards wanting that MPTP and not enough punch from L-dopa to give it. So what happens? The person takes more and more, but in the end, the receptors die off resulting in a condition known as PARKINSONS. The person is depressed, loses control of the body resulting in spasms, and cannot control their bladder. The body deteriorates, but the thinking mind is sharp. The exact opposite is Alzheimers. The firing mechanism of the brain has been destroyed due to chemicals.

As my Molecular Bio prof would say "It is all chemicals and enzymes Baby". We are nothing more than convoluted chemicals with a feedback system using electricity in order to keep our bodies from total chaos.

I did my research / thesis on parkinsons and the effects of various drugs on the brain. Sad thing is that in the 80's and early 90's young adults (20-40 years of age) began to demonstrate Parkinsonian symptoms. It puzzled the medical community until they found that in all of the cases the person had been an avid drug user, especially of the amphetamine type of drugs.

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"Lahn dádzaayú nahikai leh ni' nyelíí k'ehge," Goyathlay (Geronimo)

posted February 21, 2003 06:09 PM            

When we look at the human body we see that all the chemical are broken down to produce "charges" which keep things in order. Such as the Sodium - Potassium pump which keeps the heart going. Too much of one throws it off and poof...you're gone!.

I would like to talk more on this, but maybe it will be too boring in this forum. I can always just post it here, or you can e-mail me if you want to.

My e-mail (I think it is listed up above) if not here it is: pidaua@aol.com

Take Care,

posted June 30, 2003 05:04 PM              

Ok, now I got you all thinking I'm some kind of Witney Housten or something.

Nope, I'm not, but LL I know where you're coming from. In my case I think it's just the beginning of summer that's got me thinking about reckless fun fun fun!

posted July 01, 2003 05:48 AM              

I have found indicators of drug and alcohol abuse in a chart, are usually aspects between the Moon and Neptune or Mars and Neptune.

Speaking from personal experience, I know that when I drink, I definitely show more of my lunar Scorpio qualities, the not so nice ones ... I call it my evil twin ... hehe