posted May 05, 2008 05:52 PM            

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It means I'm trying to get a handle on your position and that statement helped orientate me a bit.

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Fantastic.

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Excepting the part about not always receiving our just desserts, I agree. I wish that more care and thought preceded my words and actions. This is one of many failings. I haven't mastered the laws of spiritual diplomacy. Not by a long shot. I've only just begun to appreciate its importance.

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Me too. But I try, just as you do.
I may not always preach personal responsibility,
but I do try to practice it, and I think there is much evidence of that.
Of course, we can dig up evidence to the contrary on almost anybody, cant we?

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The scientific principle of cause and effect. You seem to imply a certain lack of control with this one.

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Yes, I do.

Pluto teaches us about powerlessness, and accepting it fearlessly,
just as it teaches us about power, and using it responsibly.

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If I drop a ball it falls to the ground. It is bound to that particular law of cause and effect we call gravity. I am not a ball.

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Thank you for making that clear.

No, you are not a ball.

You are far far more complex than that.

But even the ball and gravity are subject to other, often unpredictable, forces.

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I am a thinking, self-conscious, individual spirit. It is my obligation as such to disentangle my conditioning and claim my spiritual birth right of a free (read unencumbered) will.

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I agree.

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Again, if I waste time complaining that someone has forced my hand and bemoaning my fate, I won't go about the business of disentangling those nafs.

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I think I understand what you are saying,
but I also think my so-called complaining and bemoaning
serves a higher purpose, or, can be used to a higher purpose.

I do not believe in invalidating anyone's feelings,
and I happen to think that feelings are a source of wisdom,
almost as frequently as they are a source of confusion and distraction.
Not only do they alert us to what needs work within ourselves,
but, they also alert us to what needs work in the outer world.

Now, you may be right that inner progress can be made most speedily
if we constantly turn inward instead of trying to change the world,
but that inward progress may be made at the expense of outward progres.
It is for everyone to decide for themselves where they may be put to the best use.
Some of us are destined to focus more on pacifying our own emotional reactions,
and some of us are focused more on pacifying the problems in the world.
I think there is probably a place for all of us, and,
I find that, whichever you choose, it ultimately bears fruit in both worlds.

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On the other hand, I think you are presenting a broad and extreme example,
with the consequence that you make a very broad and immaterial point.
As we interact with the world, and deal with the subtleties of particular situations,
I dont think we can rely on any single law or principle to guide us.
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It was perhaps a broad example, but I don't think it was extreme. It's very much a part of my daily life.

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I meant the example of the distinction between a child and an adult.

I dont see children and adults.
I see everyone at different stages of growth,
taking care of themselves and others as best they can.

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As to the single law or principle ... maybe there is, maybe there isn't. If there is one, you'll need to go elsewhere to find it.

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You sometimes seem to speak of personal responsibility as if it is just that.

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How we react to other people is intricately bound up
with the practice of personal responsibility.
This includes any responsibility we may feel to speak against injustice.
Being true to myself, and living in a way that I see as mature,
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If I choose to react this way, yes.

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Please explain.

posted May 05, 2008 05:52 PM              

Without honesty, how will we ever come close to understanding one another better?

I'm sorry you feel that my honesty is equated with lack of respect,
but I can't do anything to change how you feel about things or view things.. Such is life.

posted May 05, 2008 06:11 PM            

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HSC, I seem to recall offering you a Modship, and you declined saying that it was a bribe.

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A very different situation from the past.

Those were my feelings at the time, yes.

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Perhaps the best solution is for those who want a second GU to relocate to another site that meets your qualifications. I believe CE has a political Forum (at least I know that they used to). Or even start your own. Discussion Boards number in the tens of millions. There must be something somewhere on the Net that appeals to your interests.

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These are all good ideas.

But I was hoping to keep it in the "family".

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I see no reason to give a handful of you guys your own Forum--only to cause more divisiveness here at LL.

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What is causing divisiveness?

I am asking for a forum for everybody.

Everybody who can refrain from namecalling and direct insults.

You may be right that it would not work, but I still think it is worth a try.

Perhaps you would like to make a little wager to see if you can prove me wrong?

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Maybe the suggestion would warrant at least some consideration if suggested by more valued Members, but come on, are you serious?

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I didnt realize I was not a more valued member,
after all the years and "genius" I have given to this site.
I recall one of the more valued members telling me that
I am the reason that some people do still come and post here.
I do not know if that is true, but I think I have given much to this site.

Anyway, there is no sense getting into all that.
I certainly understand your basic position, and that is why,
in spite of certain ridicule, I have made every effort in my power
to get some of those "more valued" members on my side.
I figured, maybe I could get TINK to see it my way,
and that, if I got TINK, maybe juni would be next,
and, after that, who knows, maybe everyone.

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You guys are among the biggest trouble-makers and instigators we have ever had.

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What guys? I'm pretty much alone here.

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Oh, I know you don't view yourselves that way. Of course, you don't. There is no respect on either side (you for me, or me for you). So expecting me to bend over backwards to comply with your wishes is beyond absurd.

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I never expected you to bend over backwards, Randall.
Honestly, I dont know how much work is involved in creating a new board.
If it is too much of a hassle, that is certainly an important factor.
I am still looking for reasons to make this worth your while.
If nothing else, it would almost certainly get a few troublemakers out of your hair.
That's not the threat it might sound like. Just the reality of the situation.

Good Fences Make Good Neighbors

Lets try to keep everyone focussed on the real issues here.
All I am suggesting is a place where people are not provoked
in the same manner that is employed by bullies on middle school playgrounds.
I am suggesting that we debate according to the strength of our arguments,
and not according to our ability to create and/or suffer malicious distractions.

Am I serious? Most definitely.

Love to you,
HSC

posted May 05, 2008 06:25 PM            

What is it to you, anyway?

If you want to be doing something else,
please, hurry up and get to it.

Nobody here is preventing you from doing what you want to do.

I started this thread, and I may continue to post on it until I'm the only one left.

Whether I end it now or later, what is it to you?

Haters.

Detractors.

Why cant you just let something good happen?

Why do you have to exert yourselves in this way?

Is there no better way to expend your own energies?

Than by telling me that it is a lost cause?

As long as people are posting on this thread, and discussing this,
then the only lost cause I see here is your own selfish naysaying.

Most of you are a great disappointment to me.

TINK has impressed me by her efforts to find common ground.

Juni, you started to try there for a moment. Thank you for that.

Tara, I have no desire to meet you or be friends with you after your behavior today and last night. I dont know what your motives are, or why you are being such a -----, but I hope you get your head and heart straight very soon, and stop stubbornly hurling wrenches in the spokes of every bike that isnt going your way. You are one of the most arrogant, narrow-minded, ungiving, and unforgiving people I know, - or, at least, your behavior frequently appears that way, and I'm tired of trying to like you. Dont write to me.

Yes, I know, you will all say that I am creating these divisions.
And that is unfortunate, because the greatest divisions
have occured on account of people's stubborn insistence
on having their own way in a matter that stands to profit them nothing;
nothing but the joy of seeing other people not get what they want.

Find me an honest man!

posted May 05, 2008 06:29 PM              

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Welcome, every One, to Linda-Goodman.com, a site dedicated to the memory of our beloved Linda. Linda did not want to be re-MEMBERed as an astrologer. She wanted to be re-MEMBERed as a great writer and a poet, and this is how we choose to honor her name. Of course, all this aside, Linda WAS a great astrologer; she had the intuitive gifts necessary to grant her a place in history as arguably the best astrologer of all time. If you Love Linda and her writings, you will Love Linda-Goodman.com and the people who come here to honor her. Membership is free, and you are only a click away from Lindaland. Do your S-elf a favor, and join us now. All of your fellow Knowflakes are waiting to get to k-NOW you. It's warm and cozy inside, like mewling kittens, and you just might chance upon the unmistakable k-NOWing Spiritual presence of Linda her S-elf. Linda loved debate, so in her memory we do encourage debates. You are free to speak your Minds about anything, but please, use no profanity or personal insults. Linda was adamantly opposed to the medical theocracy and, in some cases, organized religion, and here in Lindaland we shall continue her legacy in those regards. As a Ram, Linda had a fiery passion for her beliefs, and we do encourage others here to do likewise. There will be no censorship here, and freedom of expression and speech rules supreme, but please be courteous and respectful of others while doing so. Linda had a talent for speaking her Mind without offending others. Let's try to do likewise. She was very opinionated, and when we debate with each other in a loving manner, we do her name justice. Peace, Light, and Love to all.

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posted May 05, 2008 06:31 PM            

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You have everyone except yourself figured out.

Do you think that's really how it really works?

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Bite me.

"Who doesnt understand my words wont understand my silence."

posted May 05, 2008 06:35 PM              

(btw I wont be moving back up north for some time now anyway. thought i mentioned that to you already)

I have no motives, Steve. I have just been speaking my mind to you here since you have been addressing me.

And um, I havent written you.
I will continue not to.

Sorry some of us are so "disappointing" to you. I wouldnt suggest "trying to like" me anymore, especially if it's making you tired.

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You are one of the most arrogant, ungiving, and unforgiving people I know

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Please remind yourself: You don't know me.

I'll stop replying to you here Steve.
And I hope you feel better soon.

posted May 05, 2008 06:37 PM            

Don't bother.

It's hopeless.

Everybody knows those words are just for show.

Otherwise, we could appeal to the Webmaster for a redress of grievances.

But the Webmaster has spoken, and declared that those words are meaningless.

At least, that is the view of most of the posters on this forum.

I still think that Randall is a smart man with a good heart.

posted May 05, 2008 06:42 PM            

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I see no reason to give a handful of you guys your own Forum--only to cause more divisiveness here at LL.

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A handful? I would bet anything that there are more Left-leaners than Right on this site. (Not that I even agreed with HSC on having another forum here.)

And this is exactly why you defend the status quo, because the alternative is that people you consider liberals might...what(?) Influence people? Jwhop is your willing border patrol keeping the site secure from people with open minds.

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only to cause more divisiveness here at LL

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You've got that altogether wrong, and the proof is found in the periods of Jwhop's absense. Forum gets super boring when he's gone. No "drama" whatsoever.

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You guys are among the biggest trouble-makers and instigators we have ever had.

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posted May 05, 2008 06:49 PM              

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Welcome, every One, to Linda-Goodman.com, a site dedicated to the memory of our beloved Linda. Linda did not want to be re-MEMBERed as an astrologer. She wanted to be re-MEMBERed as a great writer and a poet, and this is how we choose to honor her name. Of course, all this aside, Linda WAS a great astrologer; she had the intuitive gifts necessary to grant her a place in history as arguably the best astrologer of all time. If you Love Linda and her writings, you will Love Linda-Goodman.com and the people who come here to honor her. Membership is free, and you are only a click away from Lindaland. Do your S-elf a favor, and join us now. All of your fellow Knowflakes are waiting to get to k-NOW you. It's warm and cozy inside, like mewling kittens, and you just might chance upon the unmistakable k-NOWing Spiritual presence of Linda her S-elf. Linda loved debate, so in her memory we do encourage debates. You are free to speak your Minds about anything, but please, use no profanity or personal insults. Linda was adamantly opposed to the medical theocracy and, in some cases, organized religion, and here in Lindaland we shall continue her legacy in those regards. As a Ram, Linda had a fiery passion for her beliefs, and we do encourage others here to do likewise. There will be no censorship here, and freedom of expression and speech rules supreme, but please be courteous and respectful of others while doing so. Linda had a talent for speaking her Mind without offending others. Let's try to do likewise. She was very opinionated, and when we debate with each other in a loving manner, we do her name justice. Peace, Light, and Love to all.

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posted May 05, 2008 06:50 PM            

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I have no motives, Steve. I have just been speaking my mind to you here since you have been addressing me.

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I'm awed by your ability to take responsibility for your actions.

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And um, I havent written you.

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No, not since I've been disagreeing with you so strongly this past week.
I knew I was risking our friendship by speaking my truth,
but I thought maybe you could see past it.
I didnt realize how confused and defensive you are.

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I will continue not to.

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That's all I ask.

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Sorry some of us are so "disappointing" to you.

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You ought to be.

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I wouldnt suggest "trying to like" me anymore, especially if it's making you tired.

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Thanks. That is the plan.

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Please remind yourself: You don't know me.

I'll stop replying to you here Steve.
And I hope you feel better soon.

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No you wont.

And no, you don't.

Or you would not be placing yourself in the way of my happiness,
for no other reason that to push your own personal idealistic agenda.

I wanted nothing from you but that you not place stones in my path,
or stand in my way when all I'm trying to do is clear the path.

Enjoy the world that you've learned to settle for.

A world of "braindead twit"s.

posted May 05, 2008 06:50 PM            

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Do we need to hallucinate, or something- to see these words become a reality?

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posted May 05, 2008 06:51 PM              

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You are one of the most arrogant, narrow-minded, ungiving, and unforgiving people I know

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Oh, you added narrow-minded in.

Thanks.

Ask anyone who has ever met or known me how arrogant, marrow-minded, UNGIVING, and UNFORGIVING I am. I'm sure their answers would shock you.

I'm done now

posted May 05, 2008 06:53 PM            

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Yeah HSC, you'd like it over at Conscious Evolution. No dissent from the leftist viewpoint permitted there. Never a discouraging word is heard.

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Are you really this stupid?

I've made myself clear.

I dont mind the dissent.

I dont mind the dissent.

I dont mind the dissent.

I mind the abusive, unproductive,
and ignorant tone of your posts,
you braindead A$$hole.

posted May 05, 2008 06:56 PM              

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I wanted nothing from you but that you not place stones in my path,
or stand in my way when all I'm trying to do is clear the path.

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*steps out of your way*

notice there are no stones or wrenches in my hand
and imo there never have been
nor have i been blocking your Path.

posted May 05, 2008 06:59 PM            

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Ask anyone who has ever met or known me how arrogant, narrow-minded, UNGIVING, and UNFORGIVING I am. I'm sure their answers would shock you.

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posted May 05, 2008 07:00 PM            

You said you were going.

Several times now.

Get lost already, will you?