posted May 05, 2008 07:07 PM            

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Tara,
You said you were going.
Several times now.
Get lost already, will you?

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posted May 05, 2008 07:09 PM            

My motto has always been.."I won't if you don't". Put it into practice here and you..meaning the screeching, shrieking accusing bomb throwing leftists here "Did" and went way too far.

NOW, they want a "kinder, gentler" forum.

We could have that and could have had it all along but you and you know who I mean just couldn't get it through your heads
that you're not a protected species, you're not "Touch Me Nots".

posted May 05, 2008 07:12 PM              

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You know, it is infintely more interesting to disagree than it is to agree and that is why the world is in the state that it is today! And most of the time that fact is not acknowledged consciously.

I truly believe that most strife in life occurs due to a war of words, and if we were to look beyond the semantic shield we each wear from time to time, we would see that everybody wants the same things - love.

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posted May 05, 2008 07:15 PM              

To repeat something meaningful:

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I truly believe that most strife in life occurs due to a war of words, and if we were to look beyond the semantic shield we each wear from time to time, we would see that everybody wants the same things - love.

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posted May 05, 2008 07:26 PM              

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Heart--Shaped Cross
Knowflake
Posts: 7614
From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA
Registered: Aug 2004 posted May 05, 2008 09:01 AM

I think a stitch in time could save nine.
I would volunteer to moderate the new forum

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Greetings….

HSC, I am just curious as to why you now choose to moderate? If I recall not that long ago, you weren’t very happy with Randall:

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Heart--Shaped Cross
Knowflake Posts: 6695
From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA
Registered: Aug 2004 posted March 02, 2008 05:09 PM
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If you ban me I will wear it as a badge of honor. And you will wear it as a badge of disgrace.
So, no, it is not Win/Win.
Proceed carefully, Randall.
These are the defining moments.
Know who your true friends are.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
Knowflake Posts: 6695
From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA
Registered: Aug 2004 posted March 02, 2008 01:37 PM

I just wanted to address this,
as it directly concerns me:
"People react differently to events.
HSC was in a major altercation some time ago,
and I had to suspend his Modship,
but here he remains contributing to the site;
she, instead, chose to leave."
Mirandee has more integrity than me, probably.
I felt my modship was removed unjustly as well,
but I chose to overlook it, and chalk it up to misunderstanding.
I am often involved in major altercations,
since I tend to speak for the unpopular, underdog causes.
I say thinks frankly and directly, and people cant handle it.
Often, I do go over the line, but,
in the case to which Randall here refers, I did not.
I merely defended my position against a slew of attackers.
I actually surprised myself with my ability to stay cool,
compared to some of the abusive reactions I was getting.
Randall saw the situation differently,
and I think the fact that some of my "opponents"
in that altercation were friends of his had something to do with it.
Randall has made his views and his hypocrisy very clear.
Loyalty to friends and websites takes presidence over
loyalty to principles and conscience.
Constant abuse and misinformation is tolerated in Global Unity.
Character assaults and slanderous lies are perfectly acceptable,
but a few unflattering truths addressed to Randall and/or his cronies are not.
I hope that is now clear to everyone.

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I think Tink just wrote not so long ago, quote:

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TINK
Knowflake
Posts: 3924
From: New England
Registered: Mar 2003 posted May 05, 2008 10:10 AM
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I will take 100% full responsibility for everything I have done and said.

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posted May 05, 2008 07:27 PM            

Of all the people on this site, at this moment in time, you should be the very last to suggest anyone is stupid.

Now, I notice you've attempted to guilt trip 26T.

"Or you would not be placing yourself in the way of my happiness"

posted May 05, 2008 07:30 PM              

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HSC, it's no secret I think you've got your head stuck firmly up your ass.

Of all the people on this site, at this moment in time, you should be the very last to suggest anyone is stupid.

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posted May 05, 2008 07:37 PM            

So LTT, let's just keep things in their proper perspectived. You supported HSC at every level when he was off the rails. You gave him little hearts..both colors and thumbsups and it was just wonerful, wonerful...until you wound up sucking your own thumb, whining and calling for mommy.

posted May 05, 2008 07:40 PM              

Oh, how I love and value your wisdom, jwhop!.

posted May 05, 2008 07:41 PM              

Now please, carry on without me.

posted May 05, 2008 07:41 PM            

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Exactly my point. In your story "I" realizes and considers the cause of his tripping and takes a pro-active stance. This is the sort of behavior which produces growth ... and it's preferable to just yelling at the stone for blocking his way, or weeping because the stone made him cry, yes?

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I think I've answered these objections already, TINK.

My own venting has not proven pointless.

After all, we are not stones, right? No more than we are balls.

We have feelings, and many of us respond to more than gravity.

The weeping of another has moved me to feel mercy and compassion many times.

The anger of another has often alerted me to the consequences of my own words.

I think, unless I am dealing with someone who has the heart of a stone,
then your objections here make no sense whatsoever.

But, in as much as I am dealing with stone hearts,
your objections are incredibly insightful.

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It's not a "pet point" and I've only just made it. I stated my opinion that a greater sense of personal responsibility might make GU a more palatable place for all of us and you disagreed.

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Did I?
Well, I hear you,
and of course, its a great suggestion.
I think we should all be mindful of it,
and do all that we can.

I also think it will take more than that to make GU palatable for some.

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I do see that there are many issues here, but I feel this is basic and would go a long way in cleaning up the mess we're all in. If you'd rather not, that's fine. I'm not hurt or offended or, quite frankly, surprised. Not everyone subscribes to the concept of personal responsibilty.

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I dont know how many times to tell you that I am trying.
And I think if you look you can see many strong examples of that.
I do lose my temper sometimes and I take responsibility for that.
At the moment, I feel no desire to apologize to Tara,
after having allowed myself to express some very unkind things.
And I am not pushing myself to forgive her either.
I am allowing my feelings to take their course,
and I think that what I have shown is honest,
and maybe more expedient than some labored, pussy-footed denial,
that drags some dead-end ghost of a friendship all over these forums.

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I believe obstacles exist for other reasons then their own removal. Obstacles are a fulcrum. I try to welcome them. They're gifts.

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That is a great attitude and perspective to cultivate.

I agree that they are there for more than their removal,
but also to help us grow, and i think i made that clear.
I am not at the point of thinking they are all gifts.
I know people say that is what we are supposed to think,
and that you arent on a certain level if you think differently.
But I am in no hurry to convince myself or anyone else that I have arrived at that level.
I know that simply repeating it, believing it, and convincing myself that i know it,
is not actually going to make it a fact, but only further cloud my judgement.

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Nothing to be altered in the world? hmmm Now that is a complex issue! I think my altered perception might change the reasons I wish to alter the world.

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It certainly can, if you choose.

It can change not only the reasons, but, you may even convince yourself that
the world is perfect just as it is, in order to find your own peace.
That will not necessarily make it true, but, merely apparent and convenient.

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And I think that reason, or motive if you will, is a matter of great consequence. Do I speak from a place of balance? Do I stand in accordance with the Will of God? Or am I dumping my personal shiit on an unsuspecting world?

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Always good questions to ask ourselves.

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The Muslims speak of the lower and Higher Jihad. Presuming to fight the lower before the Higher is an extremely dangerous course of action, for both the individual and the world. This has been made painfully evident, hasn't it?

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Not necessarily.

Yes, it is evident that there is chaos in the world,
but there is little evidence to suggest that this would cease,
if all the spiritually and progressively minded people turned inward,
and left the managing of the world to the ones who could care less.

Suppose that all the people who are able to take personal responsibility
chose to spend their time meditating in temples and beside ponds,
learning to become centered and aware of the subtlest inner movements,
so that they may catch every negative movement when it is small and manageable.
Pretty soon, the armies of the world would be huge, and eager to try their power.
Pretty soon, the monasteries and ashrams would be bombed,
or invaded and destroyed, as we have seen the Chinese do in Tibet.
The monks will be tortured, and it is anybody's guess what sort of "gift" that will be.
Will it help them to expunge a great deal of karma all at once?
Or, will it be more than they can bear, and will it break them;
wound their souls and make them bitter; set their karma back a few million lifetimes?

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She wasn't perfect. I've learned as much from her errors as from her wisdom. You've told me that you don't wish for guidance. You've claimed you will find your own way.

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I dont wish to be force-fed "guidance".

I alway appreciate an open, candid, and humble exchange,
and a little pointedness and playfulness goes a long way,
especially when you are confronting a person's deepest challenges and sensitivities.

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ahh now see that's not fair. You know that stuff is my weak spot.

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Just bringing my own challenges and gifts.

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This has been a pleasant conversation, but I think I should stop here. I'll reread what you've written and hopefully continued contemplation on the subject will further refine my rough edges.

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Thanks, I've enjoyed it too, and maybe even learned something.

No response is sought.

posted May 05, 2008 07:47 PM            

I do not want to dwell on the past.

Do you?

Moreover, I see this as a very exceptional circumstance.

Don't you?

I know you are not trying to incite an argument,
and I thank you for you warm tone.

posted May 05, 2008 07:51 PM            

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Actions have consequences.

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posted May 05, 2008 07:52 PM              

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You gave him little hearts..both colors and thumbsups and it was just wonerful, wonerful...until you wound up sucking your own thumb, whining and calling for mommy.

Actions have consequences.

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The Good

The good are vulnerable
As any bird in flight,
They do not think of safety,
Are blind to possible extinction
And when most vulnerable
Are most themselves.

The good are real as the sun,
Are best perceived through clouds
Of casual corruption
That cannot kill the luminous sufficiency
That shines on city, sea and wilderness,
Fastidiously revealing
One man to another,
Who yet will not accept
Responsibilities of light.

The good incline to praise,
To have the knack of seeing that
The best is not destroyed
Although forever threatened.
The good go naked in all weathers,
And by their nakedness rebuke
The small protective sanities
That hide men from themselves.

The good are difficult to see
Though open, rare, destructible;
Always, they retain a kind of youth,
The vulnerable grace
Of any bird in flight,
Content to be itself,
Accomplished master and potential victim,
Accepting what the earth or sky intends.

I think that I know one or two
Among my friends.

~Brendan Kennelly