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shura
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posted August 09, 2012 11:33 AM
  
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The thing about God is that people should see him shine through YOU. It is not enough to read about him in books or quote ad infinitum.Do you have God's love inside you? Does it radiate out?
People will know you from your fruits.That is how people know you are a child of God. That is what MAKES you a child of God, in fact.
A fine point, Ami. It is a struggle to subdue the dragon so the light of Christ may shine through. Interacting with each other and sharing the assorted gems we've found along the way hasten the process, I believe. The 99 names of Allah is a marvelous focus of contemplation, a time tested method of clearing the cobwebs and cleaning the glass so the Light may shine unencumbered. Consider it a gift to the seeker, my friend.  IP: Logged |
Padre35
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posted August 09, 2012 12:03 PM
Faith,I'm a Sagi sun sign. As for the indwelling of the Spirit/consciousness of God, my question is more along the lines of whether one is merely waking up to the Divine that is inside everyone, or whether there is an actual indwelling of an external Breath of God so to speak. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 09, 2012 01:07 PM
With the true Christian, there is an indwelling of the Holy Spirit. This is what makes someone a true Christian. If not, it is just words, as is the case with many people who call themselves Christians.
Without this indwelling, the person is not a Christian i.e. little Christ, according to the Bible.
By their fruits you will know them IOW, you can tell a Christian by their love and kindness to others, which is a fruit of the new Spirit.Only God knows the true Christians from the fake ones. That is the parable of the wheat and the tares. Jesus will separate the real from the false. ------------------
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Faith
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posted August 09, 2012 01:13 PM
Thanks Padre!Religion is all about semantics, IMHO. "The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly." -Proverbs 20:27 That's nice, but I thought that after you were born again, the spirit of man becomes not just the candle of the Lord, but the indwelling of the Holy Ghost Himself. Which is it? Candle or Holy Ghost? Should the candle be added to the Trinity? I have a lot of Christian friends and I exasperate them with questions like that. They think I am being impertinent by seriously wanting to know the logic of it all. Pluto is in my third house, and trying to get to the bottom of everything is my m.o.
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Ami Anne
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posted August 09, 2012 01:47 PM
The Born Again experience IS the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted August 09, 2012 01:49 PM
Faith
You can ask me anything you want. I know you ask with sincerity and that is all that is needed.------------------
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RegardesPlatero
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posted August 09, 2012 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The Born Again experience IS the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
Well, not everyone experiences the Spirit in that way. It may be one way to experience it, but it isn't the only way. People of different denominations are equally sincere and inspired. (I don't say this to be insulting or anything, but I do want to very gently point out that it isn't the way, but a way to experience the Holy Spirit). IP: Logged |
RegardesPlatero
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posted August 09, 2012 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Only God knows the true Christians from the fake ones.
very true I think that sometimes all Christians are guilty of forgetting that, me included, admittedly. Good to be reminded. IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted August 09, 2012 04:22 PM
Certainly we can not "judge" who is a true Christian or not. That would be the very antithesis of what the Christ taught. Judge NOT. quote:
Christianity is a substitution of your spirit for God's. He comes to live inside you, in an actual way, not metaphorical.
I can not take that as my Truth. We are all born Divine of the Creator. Sparks of that Universal energy we call God/Allah. It is a combination of our environment/conditioning , soul/personality ego/nafs and likely genetics that create the human with flaws. quote:
As for the indwelling of the Spirit/consciousness of God, my question is more along the lines of whether one is merely waking up to the Divine that is inside everyone, or whether there is an actual indwelling of an external Breath of God so to speak.
Padre, my Faith is firmly that the Breath of God is actual and indwelling. No substitutions. Christ Consciousness would rather be like the recoginition of that indwelling and living accordingly..
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As Angels above guide Human beings, Human Beings have the opportunity to be Angels on Earth, who guide the Animal kingdom. - Da Vinci
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Ami Anne
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posted August 09, 2012 06:26 PM
Yes, Juni
The parable of the wheat and tares is about just that. God separates the wheat(real) from the tare( weeds/false)------------------
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juniperb
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posted August 09, 2012 06:43 PM
Faith: quote:
Religion is all about semantics, IMHO.
As a generality, , I agree and it creates fundalmentalism... but that`s another thread  ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted August 09, 2012 07:02 PM
Anyhoo, Faith
If you would like to ask me questions about the Bible, that still stands.------------------
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Faith
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posted August 09, 2012 09:28 PM
Thanks Ami,My question is, how does a person ever know Jesus if they are deaf, mute, and blind? Is there a way to be a Christian, wordlessly? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 09, 2012 09:40 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
Thanks Ami,My question is, how does a person ever know Jesus if they are deaf, mute, and blind? Is there a way to be a Christian, wordlessly?
TOTALLY
Yes, the world of the spirit is beyond the 5 senses. A person with these limitations could find God. He exists beyond these.
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Lei_Kuei
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posted August 09, 2012 10:06 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
TOTALLY
Yes, the world of the spirit is beyond the 5 senses. A person with these limitations could find God. He exists beyond these.
That problem with such logic, is that there is no guarantee that they are going to find the christian god ( As Faith was specifically asking about), or any of the other versions of god from the Old Testament... Because they have absolutely zero reference points  They may indeed find an enlightenment that none of us may ever know, but as for them knowing the new testament "Jesus", I'm afraid all bets are off! ------------------
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Padre35
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posted August 10, 2012 02:22 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The Born Again experience IS the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
Which is a great thought AmiA, but what does that mean exactly? Keep in mind the passage "Born again from above" does not mean what you may think it means. IP: Logged |
Padre35
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posted August 10, 2012 02:27 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Faith:
Thanks Padre!Religion is all about semantics, IMHO. "The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly." -Proverbs 20:27 That's nice, but I thought that after you were born again, the spirit of man becomes not just the candle of the Lord, but the indwelling of the Holy Ghost Himself. Which is it? Candle or Holy Ghost? Should the candle be added to the Trinity? I have a lot of Christian friends and I exasperate them with questions like that. They think I am being impertinent by seriously wanting to know the logic of it all. Pluto is in my third house, and trying to get to the bottom of everything is my m.o.
Well, keep in mind that thought, the indwelling of the Ruach Ha-Kokedesh, is based on Christ breathing on the Apostles in the upper room. In Acts, there is no mention of Candles, there is a allusion to tongues of fire settling on those who waited for the indwelling..however the idea is transmitted that once baptized, one receives at least a "gift" of the Ruac. For myself, it always struck me that such is wonderful, but the real question is..then what? There is a passage in Luke(?) that speaks of a Teacher who becomes a Christian being like a wise manager of a storehouse that brings out old things along with the new things (insights?). That always hit me in a way, does that mean that older knowledge, the "before" time, should be brought out along with the new? IMO, it does, would love to hear differing views on it.
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Ami Anne
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posted August 10, 2012 04:48 AM
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Originally posted by Padre35:
Which is a great thought AmiA, but what does that mean exactly?Keep in mind the passage "Born again from above" does not mean what you may think it means.
The Born Again experience is a birth experience, as in an actual birth. Jesus said this to Nicodemus.Just as an aside, I only deal in the actual Bible, no extra Biblical books like when Jesus went to India or married Mary, had a son etc So, according to the Bible, the new birth is exactly that. "Unless a man is Born Again, he cannot enter Heaven. The Born Again experience is an exchange of your spirit for God's Spirit. It is an actual experience, not an intellectual exercise. Then, Jesus says that men will know you from the love of God which you exude as true Christian i.e little Christ. You are a little Christ because you have His Spirit inside you. That is why people can feel it.Is it, literally, there.
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Ami Anne
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posted August 10, 2012 05:02 AM
Padre
When you get the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, it comes with Gifts. Each person is given a Gift(s) of the Holy Spirit.They are real things, real abilities and talents. ------------------
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Faith
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posted August 10, 2012 08:19 AM
Ami, I appreciate your effort, but I just don't see how that could be the case. quote:
Originally posted by Lei_Kuei:
They may indeed find an enlightenment that none of us may ever know, but as for them knowing the new testament "Jesus", I'm afraid all bets are off!
Me, too. I think the essence of Christianity (and other religions) is words. It is not generic enlightenment, it's the speech you use to describe the enlightenment (or approach to enlightenment.) It's not enough to be loving and spiritual, there is a communication element that's mandatory, with Christianity. You have to SAY the word "Jesus." Hear or read the Bible. Tell others about Jesus. Without communication abilities, none of that is possible. I can't see any conclusion except that a person like Helen Keller, left untaught, would have to be regarded as doomed to hell by most Christian standards. Unless she could get in by some extra-biblical "loophole," the likes of which people devise all the time...For example, Mennonites believe all children go to heaven, until "The Age of Accountability," when they have to do much more to earn access to heaven. If that were true, I'd say, better to die when young and be sure where you are going, than risk it.
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Padre35
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posted August 10, 2012 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The Born Again experience is a birth experience, as in an actual birth. Jesus said this to Nicodemus.Just as an aside, I only deal in the actual Bible, no extra Biblical books like when Jesus went to India or married Mary, had a son etcSo, according to the Bible, the new birth is exactly that. "Unless a man is Born Again, he cannot enter Heaven. The Born Again experience is an exchange of your spirit for God's Spirit. It is an actual experience, not an intellectual exercise. Then, Jesus says that men will know you from the love of God which you exude as true Christian i.e little Christ. You are a little Christ because you have His Spirit inside you. That is why people can feel it.Is it, literally, there.
A link that does not agree with the study I'm talking about:
http://christiandiscussionsmsn.yuku.com/topic/10817/Insurmountable-Problems---Angel-Human-Hybrid-Nephilim-Theory#.UCUMg-wcti0 One that does:
http://www.sherryshriner.com/sherry/angels.htm
Nephilim AmiA, the angels who were not born in the natural order of things but mankind could be, keep in mind Judaism of Christ's time on Earth was very different then what we see today.
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Padre35
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posted August 10, 2012 08:39 AM
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Originally posted by Faith:
Thanks Ami,My question is, how does a person ever know Jesus if they are deaf, mute, and blind? Is there a way to be a Christian, wordlessly?
Yes, Christ does the saving, and dwells in mankinds' hearts, not the ears, eyes, or mouth. One of the issues of the "sinners prayer" is, it does not exist in the Bible, so the actual need to say it, does not exist either. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 10, 2012 08:41 AM
No way would Heller keller be in Hell. This is the thing, Faith. God is bigger than man's ways of thinking.
"My Ways are greater than yours" "On earth, men see through a glass darkly"
I am here to explain the Bible to anyone who wants to ask. If you or anyone wants to ask, I will answer. You can ask anything, if it is done with a sincere heart. I am not put off by genuine seeking.Every person will be allowed to learn of Jesus. We don't know how that will happen but God says it will. The Bible( and God) are all about CHOICE. A Helen Keller, a retarded person, a person in the jungles of Africa--all will be dealt with fairly. All will have choice. We don't know how. Jesus could come to someone in a dream. There are many ways that we don't understand. Talking about Jesus is NOT knowing him. You must know him. Know means "intercourse" He must come to live inside you, or you are not a Christian, according to the Bible. You may think you are but you are not, according to the Bible. A Christian is a "little Christ". ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted August 10, 2012 08:50 AM
I know something about the Nephalim(sp), not that much. Was Goliaith one? However, how are they related to this convo?------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted August 10, 2012 08:58 AM
Yes, all kids go to heaven before the Age of Accountability. The actual age is unknown.------------------
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