posted August 12, 2012 02:35 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
thanks, juni. i knew it was NOT the holy trinity in the jewish section of the bible...though i am also aware of the nicene editing room.

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IT WAS It was a foreshadowing of the Holy Trinity. The Old T. foreshadows the NT
They are one book--ONE book, Folks

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posted August 12, 2012 02:45 PM            

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posted August 12, 2012 02:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Kat
There is no Jewish section in the Bible. Man did that. It holds together as one unified whole from the first word to the last. This shows its Divinity, as I said before.

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posted August 12, 2012 04:02 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
Was kat refering to the Torah? That would be Jewish, yes?

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You stated there was no Jewish section and that`s the key.

The Bible , old and new testaments alike, is many "books/texts" made to denote one text man call`s the Bible.

posted August 12, 2012 04:06 PM            

specifically genesis...

posted August 12, 2012 04:16 PM            

I will get you a reference.

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posted August 12, 2012 04:18 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
yes i would call the torah the jewish part of the bible. what would you call it ami?

specifically genesis...

while i would never claim to be a biblical scholar even i know that the old testament precedes christendom and applies more to judaism than christianity. therefore the HOLY TRINITY does not apply. that is all i said.

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It is ONE Book. The Bible is God's Owners manual to all men. The Jews take it as a Jewish Book but it is a book to ALL people, as is the NT.
The cutting of it into Jewish and Christian is an artificial cutting, from men, only.

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posted August 12, 2012 04:21 PM            

Arnold does a study on this from the original languages as he is a Greek and Hebrew scholar.
You can get your answer if you study his work on Genesis.

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posted August 12, 2012 04:23 PM            

This is from Les Feldick's site
http://www.lesfeldick.org/lesqa-b.html

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posted August 12, 2012 04:31 PM            

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“When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.” J. Krishnamurti

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posted August 12, 2012 04:34 PM            

In the beginning God created...

Let`s simply say you infer a meaning to adapt to your Faith and I do not

We can agree to disagree.

posted August 12, 2012 04:38 PM            

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Originally posted by T:
Thanks. It's been awhile since I read that one. Deserves a repost.

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Definitely! Thanks Juni & T

Very wise statement that I agree with

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posted August 12, 2012 05:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Juni
If you want to study it, you need to go to the original Hebrew word which shows it to be the Trinity. I did the study 10 years ago, but it is all there in Arnold's site, if you want to access it.
You really can't understand the Bible if you don't go to a scholar who knows Hebrew and Greek. That is why you get your way out explanations, with all due respect.

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This states you "know" I have not studied under a scholar and that I can`t read or write in Hebrew and Greek. Nor do I have the true understanding of the Bible.

Now if you wish to speak as a scholar, let`s be very aware of etymology and origin of any authors intention. That way we won`t split hairs on "our beliefs" but go to the horses mouth so to speak.

As I said, we can continue to agree to disagree and you have my permission to assume, infer, suspect or imply anything you wish about me but it does not make it true

You have been very patient and have answered to the best of your ability and I appreciate that!

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posted August 12, 2012 05:46 PM            

English Standard Version (ESV)
Gentiles Grafted In

11 So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous. 12 Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion[a] mean!

13 Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry 14 in order somehow to make my fellow Jews jealous, and thus save some of them. 15 For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead? 16 If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches.

17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root[b] of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. 19 Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. 23 And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.

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posted August 12, 2012 06:12 PM            

Did you not say God and the Bible is open to ALL who seek??

Now Paul is the author of Romans, correct?

Would you say Paul had a political agenda?

Did Paul marry politics with his Faith?

Do you accept the Pauline Doctrine ?

again, your patience is appreciated.