posted August 10, 2012 09:15 AM            

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The thing about God is that people should see him shine through YOU. It is not enough to read about him in books or quote ad infinitum.

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If this was a correct statement, how would we put in context the oral traditions that were to become the Holy Texts?

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posted August 10, 2012 09:35 AM            

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I only deal with the pages of the Bible, as in the King James version, from the first word to the last. I do not believe any extra Biblical works are inspired by God. That includes the Talmud and any extra Biblical Books of any nature

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We are then to assume King James version is the authority on God and the only authority.

No Quran, Talmud , Jubilees or any Eastern Texts.

Only the men sitting around the Nicene table, editing away;, had Gods` authority to create the one and only Truth.

posted August 10, 2012 09:41 AM            

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We are then to assume King James [b]version is the authority on God and the only authority.

No Quran, Talmud , Jubilees or any Eastern Texts.

Only the men sitting around the Nicene table, editing away;, had Gods` authority to create the one and only Truth.

I only ask to provide clarity (to self and others) on how your truth is arrived at.[/B]

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YES The prophecies are the hand print of God. I was trying to tell you the prophecies which WILL come true and have come true. No other book, ever, can do that.

That is God's way of showing us the Bible is alone in being Divine.

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posted August 10, 2012 09:50 AM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
We are then to assume King James version is the authority on God and the only authority.
No Quran, Talmud , Jubilees or any Eastern Texts.

Only the men sitting around the Nicene table, editing away;, had Gods` authority to create the one and only Truth.

I only ask to provide clarity (to self and others) on how your truth is arrived at.

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

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YES The prophecies are the hand print of God. I was trying to tell you the prophecies which WILL come true and have come true. No other book, ever, can do that.

That is God's way of showing us the Bible is alone in being Divine.

posted August 10, 2012 09:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

YES The prophecies are the hand print of God. I was trying to tell you the prophecies which WILL come true and have come true. No other book, ever, can do that.

That is God's way of showing us the Bible is alone in being Divine.

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The "Bible" or the King James Bible? I ask because I've studied several, and in Hebrew and Greek, and know several inconsistencies even in the KJV..for example "Corn".

You do realize there was no "Corn" in the middle east when the original manuscripts were written?

I do not write that as a shot at anyones' faith, I did write it because I've seen far to much blind confidence placed in the KJV.

posted August 10, 2012 10:13 AM            

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I do not write that as a shot at anyones' faith, I did write it because I've seen far to much blind confidence placed in the KJV.

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Padre, yes and that is a reason I place more trust in the Aramaic translation of the Lamsa Bible .

posted August 10, 2012 10:16 AM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
Padre, yes and that is a reason I place more trust in the Aramaic translation of the Lamsa Bible .

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Great!

Then you know what "born from above" really alludes to?

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posted August 10, 2012 10:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
The "Bible" or the King James Bible? I ask because I've studied several, and in Hebrew and Greek, and know several inconsistencies even in the KJV..for example "Corn".

You do realize there was no "Corn" in the middle east when the original manuscripts were written?

I do not write that as a shot at anyones' faith, I did write it because I've seen far to much blind confidence placed in the KJV.

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The Isiah Scrolls were just found and are exactly the same as the book of Isiah. The prophecies show the Bible is divine. You really need to study these or we can talk forever about theory.

The Prophecies were put there so people would know that God is the only one who can tell the future.

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posted August 10, 2012 10:25 AM            

At the very least it does point out that the NT is by no means a complete book of the early Church.

posted August 10, 2012 10:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

The Isiah Scrolls were just found and are exactly the same as the book of Isiah. The prophecies show the Bible is divine. You really need to study these or we can talk forever about theory.

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Which is not what I alluded to, one mentioned the KJV, I mentioned the inconsistencies contained therein.

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The Prophecies were put there so people would know that God is the only one who can tell the future.

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posted August 10, 2012 10:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:

Out of curiosity Ami A, what are your thoughts on the missing Epistle to the Corinthians?

At the very least it does point out that the NT is by no means a complete book of the early Church.

And what of the Didache? The Orthodox faith is as old as the Catholic faith that Protestantism is based on, and the Didache is still taught in the Orthodox faith.

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I don't go for missing Epistles. I don't go for the Catholic theology made by men(Cathechism sp?) nor the Jewish theology made by men(Talmud)

I go by the Bible from the first word to the last as PROPHECY shows it to be true.

No other book can tell the future. I told you, on here, that Damascus would be rubble. How do I know? Do you know? No, I have the Bible Prophecies. You don't, with all due respect.

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posted August 10, 2012 10:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
No way would Heller keller be in Hell. This is the thing, Faith. God is bigger than man's ways of thinking.
"My Ways are greater than yours" "On earth, men see through a glass darkly"

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Well, since we don't know God's ways, we can't say where Helen Keller would go, for sure.

Not trying to sound contentious, but just to be clear, one of the reasons I am no longer a Christian is, I am no longer satisfied with the blanket statements about how "We can't know all the ways of God," every time Biblical guidelines for salvation are applied to cases where it seems clear that a relatively innocent person won't qualify.

If that's how it works, why bother talking about these guidelines at all? Why bother devoting your life to salvation if the criteria are so murky?

Sorry but I warned you...I have a lot of questions. If you can use my questions as a way to gain insight into your own faith, all the better. But I suppose it's clear that I'm not easily persuaded.

posted August 10, 2012 10:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I don't go for missing Epistles. I don't go for the Catholic theology made by men(Cathechism sp?) nor the Jewish theology made by men(Talmud)

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One can go for them or not, Paul himself references the letter he wrote previous to First Corinthians.

Another inconvenience is one have one sided conversations contained in the Epistles, we do not know what was contained in the letters the early congregations wrote to Paul seeking clarification.

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I go by the Bible from the first word to the last as PROPHECY shows it to be true.

No other book can tell the future. I told you, on here, that Damascus would be rubble. How do I know? Do you know? No, I have the Bible Prophecies. You don't, with all due respect.

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Which is not what I was curious about, in Corinthians Prophecy was listed as a gift of the spirit, in fact Paul himself mentions it is the one gift to be hoped for as it offered the most guidance to the congregations.

The Didache instructs that is someone calls themselves a prophet, they have 3 days to have their predictions to come to pass or they should be cast out as a false prophet.

As for the Scriptures themselves, I go with what it actually instructs, for example when Christ said "whoever is not against us is for us".

posted August 10, 2012 10:44 AM            

You, as a person, such as with the Helen Keller thing, cannot understand all of God's ways. It is impossible. God loves all people. No one would not be reached by God, even if it were in a dream or a vision.

God promises that all men will have the choice to know Him.

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posted August 10, 2012 10:45 AM            

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Well, since we don't know God's ways, we can't say where Helen Keller would go, for sure.

Not trying to sound contentious, but just to be clear, one of the reasons I am no longer a Christian is, I am no longer satisfied with the blanket statements about how "We can't know all the ways of God," every time Biblical guidelines for salvation are applied to cases where it seems clear that a relatively innocent person won't qualify.

If that's how it works, why bother talking about these guidelines at all? Why bother devoting your life to salvation if the criteria are so murky?

Sorry but I warned you...I have a lot of questions. If you can use my questions as a way to gain insight into your own faith, all the better. But I suppose it's clear that I'm not easily persuaded.

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Keller, iirc, is thought to have been an atheist.

Now whether that means eternal seperation from God, is not anyone's call but God's, Christians are not in the judging business.

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posted August 10, 2012 10:57 AM            

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Yes Padre
Only God knows the hearts. That is why even the Christians have the wheat and the tares. God separates the two.

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Exactly, to take that thought further in Hebrews, the heroes of the faith include some names that most would find surprising.

For example, Rahab the Prostitute.

Somehow, I don't think she would have made it onto the Deacon Board..:lol:

posted August 10, 2012 10:58 AM            

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Which is not what I was curious about, in Corinthians Prophecy was listed as a gift of the spirit, in fact Paul himself mentions it is the one gift to be hoped for as it offered the most guidance to the congregations.

The Didache instructs that is someone calls themselves a prophet, they have 3 days to have their predictions to come to pass or they should be cast out as a false prophet.

As for the Scriptures themselves, I go with what it actually instructs, for example when Christ said "whoever is not against us is for us".

I see that as a gift of love from the Most High as it means we are not compelled to forever be in conflict with those of other faiths.

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A person cannot be a Prophet if it goes against the Bible. It never, ever will, for a real Prophet of God. If any person goes against the Bible, he is a false prophet. That is how you know.
The Bible is the Owners Manual for man. So, those of us who believe that, have a map for life. We can discern the true from the false.

If not, you are swayed with all sorts of things, as you are, quite frankly

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posted August 10, 2012 11:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Exactly, to take that thought further in Hebrews, the heroes of the faith include some names that most would find surprising.

For example, Rahab the Prostitute.

Somehow, I don't think she would have made it onto the Deacon Board..:lol:

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Exactly. God's ways are higher than our ways.

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posted August 10, 2012 11:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

A person cannot be a Prophet if it goes against the Bible. It never, ever will, for a real Prophet of God. If any person goes against the Bible, he is a false prophet. That is how you know.
The Bible is the Owners Manual for man. So, those of us who believe that, have a map for life. We can discern the true from the false.

If not, you are swayed with all sorts of things, as you are, quite frankly

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Of course, now if one would just clear up the whole prophecy as gift of the spirit passage perhaps I can redeem myself in your eyes..;D

One of the problems I have with organized religion is the laughable inconsistencies found in it, Dogma says thus.

For example one did mention "Bible only" which is fine, point out what the Bible actually instructs and of course that is heretical.

One of the reasons why organized Christianity is best avoided in my view, it becomes more about protecting the Institution (as the Pharisees were interested in doing) then actually trying to do God's will in a situation that life presents.

And allow me to add, one said "you cannot be a prophet if it goes against what the Bible teaches"

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posted August 10, 2012 11:22 AM            

All your arguments for lost books etc is just chatter. You need to study the prophecies. That way, you will be educated to cast off the Bible. Until then, you don't really know what you are talking about, with all due respect.

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posted August 10, 2012 11:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The ONLY book in the whole Universe from the beginning of time until now, which can tell the future, is the Bible.

All your arguments for lost books etc is just chatter. You need to study the prophecies. That way, you will be educated to cast off the Bible. Until then, you don't really know what you are talking about, with all due respect.

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Uhm, how exactly does one know I have not studied them?

There are several books mentioned in the Bible that do not appear in the Bible, one may not like that, it is however, true.

From Jasher to the missing Corinthian epistle.

As for prophecy, it really is quite simple, either the NT is true, as far as we have it in completeness, and prophecy is a gift of the spirit and thus still in operation, or it is untrue, and the NT is false.

The Lord, in his love for mankind, blesses some believers with this gift, that is plain as day in the NT from Acts to Corinthians this is mentioned including the possessed women that Paul performed the exorcism on.

I see this as a manifestation of the love of the God.