posted August 10, 2012 11:34 AM            

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posted August 10, 2012 11:39 AM            

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posted August 10, 2012 11:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Well, do you know that Damascus will be rubble? I don't think so.

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Yep, and that Jerusalem will be defended as easily as a bird flies, or that Egypt will always be a nation, or the invention of airplanes and automobiles

All that is great, however to my view, the most accurate prediction is that Knowledge will increase and Wisdom decrease as mankind moves along.

All that is great, God brings those things to pass, now what about ones neighbors and community? what about ones family?

posted August 10, 2012 11:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
How is it that I know the future and you don't? Only God knows the future. Chew on it fer awhile

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posted August 10, 2012 11:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Yep, and that Jerusalem will be defended as easily as a bird flies, or that Egypt will always be a nation, or the invention of airplanes and automobiles

All that is great, however to my view, the most accurate prediction is that Knowledge will increase and Wisdom decrease as mankind moves along.

All that is great, God brings those things to pass, now what about ones neighbors and community? what about ones family?

Are we not charged with showing them the love and compassion of Christ whenever possible? Why get lost in prophecies that all we can do is watch unfold and meanwhile those around us suffer? What is the point of that again?

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God's Word comes first, always. The earth is winding down, as it is the End times. God will pour His wrath out on the world. Before, He does that, everyone will have a chance to accept or reject Him. That is what I am doing, here, giving you a chance.

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posted August 10, 2012 11:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

God's Word comes first, always. The earth is winding down, as it is the End times. God will pour His wrath out on the world. Before, He does that, everyone will have a chance to accept or reject Him. That is what I am doing, here, giving you a chance.

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Or He already has, and the Apocalypse was alluding to the Roman persecutions of the Church, only to see the Church overcome the Romans.

For example the "666" one does realize that was John speaking of Nero in Hebraic code..right?

posted August 10, 2012 11:57 AM            

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posted August 10, 2012 12:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
God's children should be able to predict the future. If you can't, you should look into why not.

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Of course, and once again with the assumptions?

The Bible itself is very expositive of the nature of people and our foibles, a knowledge of the Word provides insight.

Especially when one realizes there are different levels of understanding the Word.

Then there is precept that all things serve the Lord, from Astrology (see the Magi)

Then there is the gift of prophecy bestowed by the Spirit without withdrawal, once given it shall always be there.

posted August 10, 2012 12:06 PM            

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posted August 10, 2012 12:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Well, i don't want to go round and round, as it is a waste of time but I can tell the future and you can't. So, you can do with that what you want.
I really don't have time to keep going round and round

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Fair enough, do think assumptions are never a good thing, that however, is something I do not take offense over.

posted August 10, 2012 12:16 PM            

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posted August 10, 2012 12:26 PM            

I'll ask one question (if I may):

The Bible, the Western Bible, existed intact for over 1,000 yrs, it was not until Luther translated that version into German from Latin that the Apocrypha was removed.

posted August 10, 2012 12:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Well, since we don't know God's ways, we can't say where Helen Keller would go, for sure.

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We know from Billy Graham (A TopDog Biblical Pontifex).

That there is a high probability that she is going to hell...!

Mr. Graham has faithfully and clearly preached the Gospel for over 50 years, and has affirmed his belief in Christ as the only way of salvation: "In all our Crusades we place a prominent banner with Jesus' words, 'I am the Way, the Truth and the Life.'

This leaves Helen in a very tough position, because she is highly likely to have zero affinity to anything related to the bible...

I’ve preached around the world, including many places that don’t enjoy the freedom of religion that Americans take for granted. In India, for example, it’s very difficult to get a visa for evangelism. Protestors tried to halt the Festival we held in November in Hyderabad. Yet prayers prevailed, God intervened, and nearly 300,000 people heard the Gospel. Thousands of them became citizens of Heaven, repenting of their sins and giving their hearts to our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

Ultimately, our citizenship in Heaven is all that counts for eternity. You can be born a citizen of the United States, but you must be born again to become a citizen of Heaven.

Again... not looking good for Helen!

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Originally posted by Faith:
If that's how it works, why bother talking about these guidelines at all? Why bother devoting your life to salvation if the criteria are so murky?

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When dealing with such issues as you have stated, you are generally met with two forms of dogma at its core, Incredibly murky theological piety, or unyielding textual piety...

Neither is capable of really accommodating special cases in any kind of rational way that is useful...

Sorry Helen

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posted August 10, 2012 01:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Are we talking about Helen Keller going to Hell?? That is the stupidist thing I ever heard.

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Errr well tell that to the parents and families of the 300,000 people on our planet who suffer from deaf-blindness...

These people will seriously struggle to ever contemplate new testament Jesus, or old testament gods...

Leaving it highly unlikely they will gain access to Billy Grahams version of heaven. Since they may never know Jesus ever existed...

So if they are not going to hell as you have stated, how are they going to get to the new testament version of heaven?

Because I'm sure any christian family among the 300,000 are contemplating the fate of their beloved based on the teachings of the bible

And as I have be pointing out with the aid of the Pontifex Evangelist himself, the prognosis aint looking to great.

posted August 10, 2012 02:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Lei_Kuei:
Errr well tell that to the parents and families of the 300,000 people on our planet who suffer from deaf-blindness...

These people will seriously struggle to ever contemplate new testament Jesus, or old testament gods...

Leaving it highly unlikely they will gain access to Billy Grahams version of heaven. Since they may never know Jesus ever existed...

So if they are not going to hell as you have stated, how are they going to get to the new testament version of heaven?

Because I'm sure any christian family among the 300,000 are contemplating the fate of their beloved based on the teachings of the bible

And as I have be pointing out with the aid of the Pontifex Evangelist himself, the prognosis aint looking to great.

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as a person who belives in god dont you belive god is the one who lets these people be born with disabilities?

do you belive god predestined their soul to damnation?

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posted August 10, 2012 02:29 PM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:
as a person who belives in god dont you belive god is the one who lets these people be born with disabilities?

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Excuse me dear, and I mean this in the most polite way possible, do not presume to know what "I" believe...

When I have made no such claims

I am however, interested in the opinions of those who do claim to know, or atleast make statements that echo what they believe to be true...

posted August 10, 2012 02:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Lei_Kuei:
Excuse me dear, and I mean this in the most polite way possible, do not presume to know what "I" believe...

When I have made no such claims

I am however, interested in the opinions of those who do claim to know, or atleast make statements that echo what they believe to be true...

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posted August 10, 2012 02:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:

Great!

I'll ask one question (if I may):

The Bible, the Western Bible, existed intact for over 1,000 yrs, it was not until Luther translated that version into German from Latin that the Apocrypha was removed.

Why would Luther's editing pen make the Apocrypha invalid?

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posted August 10, 2012 02:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:

Out of curiousity, and not aimed at anyone in particular, why focus on eternal separation instead of eternal salvation?

Why focus on the sanction instead of the blessing?

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There is one way to have salvation, according to the Bible. Your only chance for it is while you are alive. After you die, your choice is gone. Then, you have eternal separation.

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posted August 10, 2012 02:51 PM            

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I simply asked a question from a viewpoint that belives in god
if you belive anything else it is your choice and you can regard my question as theoretical...

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Your grammar is deeply misleading, I had to read it several times to try and understand what you were saying, whether you were asking that "Me/Lei" as a believer in God or simply, "You" asking as a believer in god whats my opinion.

as a person who belives in god dont you belive

I understand that English may not be your native language, that's fine, but you will have to accept that such grammar can lead to presumptions by both parties.

Try to be just alittle clearer in future

posted August 10, 2012 02:53 PM            

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posted August 10, 2012 02:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Lei_Kuei:
Your grammar is deeply misleading, I had to read it several times to try and understand what you were saying, whether you were asking that "Me/Lei" as a believer in God or simply, "You" asking as a believer in god whats my opinion.

[b]as a person who belives in god dont you belive

I understand that English may not be your native language, that's fine, but you will have to accept that such grammar can lead to presumptions by both parties.

Try to be just alittle clearer in future

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