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Topic: He kept it to himself for 4 Months !!
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vapor-lash Knowflake Posts: 1052 From: Registered: Nov 2009
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posted March 08, 2010 12:53 AM
Raymond I agree.:edit: ok S - so it was something she was aware off and ok with. Then it is a mutual thing.. It is her choice what she does with her body.. and it is your choice what you do with yours. _____________ But I would not appreciate this thread going in a direction that has no connection to SwirlKit - whatsoever. She is going through something serious and emotionally hurtful.. and this thread is about her. IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 2683 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 08, 2010 12:56 AM
I wasn't preaching objectivity.I was talking about the fine line between justice and revenge and how it was reflected by how tropical Scorpio is mostly in Libra Constellation which was originally the Scorpion's Claws. also...I don't believe that what happened to her had nothing to do with law of attraction, and that it had to do with the guy that sexually violated her. Raymond
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Diana Knowflake Posts: 1476 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted March 08, 2010 12:58 AM
I still think the guy who assaulted your ex needs to be reported because he will always be a predator. He'll do it again to someone else and he'll just get more violent. It sounds like your ex could've been drugged since she couldn't move.
Ultimately it's up to her, but they say rape victims who don't face their rapist in court have a harder time getting over it. She should talk to a WOAR hotline person or a counselor skilled in sexual assault counseling or she'll have problems down the road. I'm not even going to comment on your actions. I can't go there.
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Sanchenuss Knowflake Posts: 207 From: Clinton, SC USA Registered: Nov 2009
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posted March 08, 2010 01:00 AM
but see Diana when I asked if he slipped her something, she said no. Her story doesn't add up.So, Glaucus what if a girl wear a shorts skirt, she shows clevage and she dances all over the guy, licks him, kisses him but then gets mad when he forces sex on her? The girl wasn't to blame at all? IP: Logged |
Diana Knowflake Posts: 1476 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted March 08, 2010 01:02 AM
What you just described is rape. Just because you kiss someone doesn't mean you entered into a contract to have sex with them.What if you walked into a store, took out your wallet and money to pay for something, but before you handed the money to the cashier you changed your mind: Does the cashier have a right to take your money? (Rob you.) IP: Logged |
Sanchenuss Knowflake Posts: 207 From: Clinton, SC USA Registered: Nov 2009
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posted March 08, 2010 01:07 AM
I want to make clear first of all that I don't necessarily believe in anything that I am saying, I just want to know how you would view or handle the situation. Thats not a fair analogy Diana. There are some girls who dress to entice men, then they play with men sexually, mostly to the brink, then they get completely upset and put full blame on the men when they get raped. This is the dilemma and the games that are played out on earth. They are very tricky. Who is the culprit? In my world, things aren't so black and white. good and evil. There is a VERY thin line,you would almost say that they work together. IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 2683 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 08, 2010 01:09 AM
"So what if a girl wear a shorts skirt, she shows clevage and she dances all over the guy, licks him, kisses him but then gets mad when he forces sex on her? The girl wasn't to blame at all?"Hell No! If he forces sex on her, it's rape. Rape is when a person has sexual intercourse with another without his/her consent. It's not the woman's fault. So what if the woman shows a sexual interest in the guy, it doesn't give him a license to do anything with her that he wants.
When she says "No" to sex,she is setting a boundary which needs to respected which means no sex with her. Raymond ------------------ "Nothing matters absolutely; the truth is it only matters relatively" - Eckhart Tolle IP: Logged |
Sanchenuss Knowflake Posts: 207 From: Clinton, SC USA Registered: Nov 2009
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posted March 08, 2010 01:15 AM
So, can I really get mad at my girlfriend? is my girlfriend really innocent? Can she really not be at fault? She decided to go to that place, to get drunk, to stay alone with that man (whom she already knew was creepy)instead of going with the other girls. So can I really get mad at the man who did this? Maybe she was leading him on, maybe she was not saying no and he thought this meant yes. Can I get mad at him because I have had the same thoughts as every other man has had of taking advantage of a drunk woman? Sure, I have never done it but I have thought it, how does that make me any better? Am I completely free of guilt? I was the one showing perverted men her naked pictures and videos. I could have been living with her and that wouldn't have happened but I chose to stay here. All of these factors go into everything. IP: Logged |
Lonake Knowflake Posts: 861 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 08, 2010 01:17 AM
That's one side of it Raymond, the other is that women need to be more responsible with, and cognizant of, their sexual power. The sexes play evil games with each other and rape is one of them. I am for equality and responsibility on both sides. quote: things aren't so black and white. good and evil. There is a VERY thin line
True. See above.IP: Logged |
glamgem25 Knowflake Posts: 268 From: Texas Registered: May 2009
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posted March 08, 2010 01:21 AM
I agree with Glaucus...no matter how far into it...how much a woman teased....what she is wearing....a man has no right to go further without her consent.....with or without alcohol involved!! IP: Logged |
Diana Knowflake Posts: 1476 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted March 08, 2010 01:22 AM
quote: Thats not a fair analogy Diana. There are some girls who dress to entice men, then they play with men sexually, mostly to the brink, then they get completely upset and put full blame on the men when they get raped.
It's an absolutely fair analogy, except being robbed isn't nearly as traumatic as rape. You just can't wrap your brain around it because your d_ck is involved in your view of your analogy.
I knew when you wrote about your dream that you blamed your GF. It was classic. She turned into a werewolf when she was climaxing. Textbook. Didn't want to say anything. Her being drunk and staying there don't give him license to assault her.
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glamgem25 Knowflake Posts: 268 From: Texas Registered: May 2009
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posted March 08, 2010 01:22 AM
It comes down to morals/values with the male and female....PERIOD!!! IP: Logged |
Sanchenuss Knowflake Posts: 207 From: Clinton, SC USA Registered: Nov 2009
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posted March 08, 2010 01:27 AM
Diana now you are harping on me for my dreams? How does me dreaming of her becoming a werewolf mean that I blamed her for what happened that night with the other guy?IP: Logged |
Diana Knowflake Posts: 1476 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted March 08, 2010 01:29 AM
I'm not harping on your dream. i just interpreted it when I read it. I didn't want to say anything until you said you may blame her. IP: Logged |
vapor-lash Knowflake Posts: 1052 From: Registered: Nov 2009
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posted March 08, 2010 01:29 AM
OK ATTENTION EVERYONE!!!THIS is Sanchenuss' thread: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/203506-2.html If you are posting about his relationship, could you please post further *on* his thread. If I was in SwirlKit's shoes.. and I opened up about this situation on here I would want some help and some support.. not having to read someone else's relationship problems. IP: Logged |
Lonake Knowflake Posts: 861 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 08, 2010 01:31 AM
You're right, apologies Swirl, hope things get better IP: Logged |
glamgem25 Knowflake Posts: 268 From: Texas Registered: May 2009
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posted March 08, 2010 01:36 AM
very true vapor-lash!! sorry...but this thread overtaking happens alot!!! IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 2683 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 08, 2010 01:38 AM
I agree with vapor-lashI am very sorry for my part in this mess,swirl-kitt. Raymond
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Ami Ann Knowflake Posts: 549 From: US Registered: Dec 2009
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posted March 08, 2010 01:39 AM
(((Vapor lash))) You are so sweet. I see the Pisces in you. You said you have Mercury in Pisces. Anything else? x o x o AmiIP: Logged |
swirl-kitt Knowflake Posts: 161 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 08, 2010 11:04 AM
Thanks to everyone and especially to Vapor-lash !! I can talk to only a few people in real life about this issue and any extra support makes me feel stronger !In the past week, I thought a lot about this. He was probably afraid of rejection-the greatest fear of human kind. He could also be in denial- that Hep.B is not that infectitious, or that he doesn't HAVE TO tell girls about it. But eventually he did, so I think he can still be cured ! For his future relationships at least ! As a scorpio with libra placements , I will hide my anger and I won't break up with him right away. If he jokes about it I will though ! I will meet him at least for one more time. I won't treat him like he has some disease, or as if he is dangerous or different. I will tell him I'm glad he told me about it so that I got vaccinated, and that I wish he told me from the beginning, so we could have used a condom and I could get vacc.ed, that it wouldn't have been a big deal, and I wouldn't be in fear now whether I have it or not. He could have just asked if I had been vacc.ed for Hep.B because most people actually have nowadays ! Then I will suggest that we use condoms.. If he refuses this, he is the biggest jerk of all time. I will give up on him. I will ask him how would he feel if I got Hep.B and got really sick and was in a lot of pain.. and if, eventually, I died.. He is in fact really kind to girls 'out of bed', I know that's why he told me he had it when he finally did. He must have felt sorry for me, I'm a girl, I'm weak and delicate and I probably would die if I had a serious disease. I will break up with him, but I feel like someone has to prove him that IT'S OK to tell a girl he has Hep.B so that she can get vaccinated. He always keeps telling me how he doesn't like short-term relationships, so how about he uses a condom and if he likes having sex with a new girl, he can ask her whether she is vacc.ed. I know it will always be challenging for him to tell someone about it, I would feel awful if I had it- I still could !- and had to do that. But there are many girls who wouldn't mind and would just go and get vacc.ed if they really like the guy.. If it was HIV it could have been a bit harder. I could tell all his friends about it, I could harm him pretty badly. So I hope he appreciates what I do and changes his behaviour. Not everyone in the world is as heartless as him Anyways, I was kind of talking to myself so I hope noone was bored to death after reading it all I hope I don't break into tears and start punching him half way through my plan, that would ruin everything !
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swirl-kitt Knowflake Posts: 161 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 08, 2010 11:16 AM
And I know it's my fault too if I have it.I already told him that. When he first told me, I didn't kick him out of the house, I wasn't even mad at him ! I just felt awful. And he saw that. I really really hope he learns a lesson from all this, he is not a kid who does something bad and deserves to be yelled at, and who then runs away and never comes back. He needs to learn to take responsibility for his own actions. And I need to learn that too ! IP: Logged |
popcorn Knowflake Posts: 915 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted March 08, 2010 11:38 AM
swirl-kitt. I'm so sorry for you. I hope you have to gone to visit a doctor. If someone who works on hospital came in contact with someones blood who have hepatit A,B,C they always go under special treatment. It takes time before it infected shows in you. If you visit a doctor early it can heal you. They have good medicine today. The most importent for your own are to visit a doctor early.That man you meet are already a loser and that's not worth to looking at his astrology. Because his behaviour is not astrology. IP: Logged |
popcorn Knowflake Posts: 915 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted March 08, 2010 11:48 AM
Sorry. I been so shocked when I read it so I'm not read the whole thread to the end.I'm glad for you that you visit the doctor and got your medicine. IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon* Knowflake Posts: 430 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted March 08, 2010 11:48 AM
I'm sorry, but I don't think its your responsibility to teach him anything. He lied to you and put your health in jeopardy as a result; he doesn't deserve that kind of dignity. IP: Logged |
popcorn Knowflake Posts: 915 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted March 08, 2010 11:51 AM
I agree completly with Benedict Moon. IP: Logged |