posted April 04, 2012 06:15 AM            

Chart 1:
He does not have any "Sexual Abuse" nor Physically Abusive aspects.
His Sociopathy is specific to one victim who he loves but is scared of losing, so he is using manipulation to keep her tied to him.
What makes him evil?
Air based Afflicted Chart Ruler in an Air Sign. Afflicted Mercury in Libra induces compulsive lying, especially when the Ascendant is Gemini. We all know about the Emotional Control trips of Scorpio Moons, imagine multliplying that with Jupiter.
Once your friend calls his bluff and refuses to be used or treated like a doormat, he will be on his knees begging her not to leave him. I seriously doubt whether he can manipulate a girl he does not love, considering his packed 5th House.

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posted April 04, 2012 07:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Dreaming, I agree with iQ, you're probably not a sociopath because you seem to care too much!

What makes you think you're a sociopath apart from the astrological "evidence"?

@ Violet, interesting that their Jupiters are well aspected.. Kind of contradicts Ami's theory. And I don't see anything really difficult in their charts, well aspected Mercuries, not too many hard aspects.. hmm.
Maybe the worst people do have the easier charts after all..
I notice they both have Deja/Chiron though, now that's interesting.

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posted April 29, 2013 08:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Diablo:
Hi! My ex is a psychotic borderline personality anti-social loser

Just looking at his natal chart to see if there's anything that stands out..

Venus in the 12th..GCV mentioned before that it may have something to do with Venus as its the social planet..sooo the social planet being in the house of self undoing..let me tell you he's burnt every single bridge in his life.

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posted November 26, 2013 01:34 PM            

Secondly, can we not use 'psychopath' in the automatically derogatory sense? We're just people on a spectrum, for good or for ill. Some are simply far worse than others. Some have learnt to channel it positively, being a force of and for change.

The term I tend to use in my practise is 'emotional predator'. This is really the going 'buzz phrase' for most psychs these days, as well.

Stating 'emotional predator', you're specifically addressing those who are exhibiting the traits associated with psychopathy - which are ONLY the NEGATIVE traits, which become emphasised in studies and instances of abuse.

If anyone's curious:

Sun-Pluto, BML-Deja, (less than 1 orb). Nessus OOB @ 36N trine my Moon.

I was the abused most of my life until I began to channel my innate understanding of it. It turned me into something of a modern fury, fighting against the injustice wrought by those abusers. I also teach women how to overcome their abuse and become powerful in their own right.

posted November 26, 2013 03:37 PM            

(BTW i'm not sadistic so i would not to these things out of pleasure but if it benefited me i wouldn't mind.)

and what a coincidence, I'm a Gemini.

ANNYWAYS ive looked at the charts of allot of serial killers and other known sociopaths, and most of them have either allot of saggitarius or leo. Something they also usually have is an afflicted jupiter(most common aspect being square pluto)

posted November 26, 2013 04:32 PM            

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Originally posted by PeterPan:
I'm not a sociopath but i'm not gonna lie i have my tendencies, and i would be able to kill/rape/torture someone.)

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just out of curiosity, do you have a mars-Pluto aspect? I feel the same sometimes I would actually kill to defend myself if there wasn't laws in place. Or sometimes I just feel like killing people because they are so petty about things.

posted November 26, 2013 04:33 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Curiously, can we stop using the term 'sociopath' ? It doesn't exist. The clinical term is 'psychopath'.

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posted November 26, 2013 07:50 PM            

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Originally posted by vickymadness:
Thank you. Such a relief.

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posted November 27, 2013 04:19 AM            

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Originally posted by NeptunianSag:
just out of curiosity, do you have a mars-Pluto aspect? I feel the same sometimes I would actually kill to defend myself if there wasn't laws in place. Or sometimes I just feel like killing people because they are so petty about things.

On topic: I know a Scorpio who is a complete psychopath, or knew. He has Scorpio in sun, mercury, mars, all of them fall into his 11th house, and his 11th house ruler is Scorpio. His moon and Lilith is in Aries afflicted by neptune and venus. Venus in libra (which btw is afflicted by Neptune and Uranus) sag ascendant. He likes to dig deep into people and then move on, string them along again, repeat and rinse, all the while not caring about people's emotions in the process. due to the flightiness of afflicted Venus and impulsive Aries moon/Lilith which he does not want to get attached to people and has short lived affairs with women, sometimes 2 at once. He is a huge player and womaniser, he has Neptune in his first house so he's really good at presenting an ideal image onto somebody and lying. He certainly likes to keep people as his experiments and rarely sees that his large group of friends are human.

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Yes, i do have a mars pluto aspect, pluto actually opposes my mars, asc and mercury by 1-2 degrees.

I read abot the opposition with mars and many of the descriptions say that they would do ANYTHING to achieve their goals. And this seems to describe me well.

posted November 28, 2013 03:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Ann:
I have a friend who has very little empathy.
He has very little water--practically none.
Could this make for lack of empathy?

Ami

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posted November 28, 2013 03:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Peri:
She has Sun in the 12th, I noticed, people with Sun in the 12 are not what they seem, not necessarily in a bad way but their true self is kind of hidden and it really takes a lot of time to know them.

She does not have Merc square Neptune, the orb is 8 degrees, too large in my opinion but she does have mean BML opposition Neptune >> a classic indicator of proneness for dishonesty, especially these planets being on the Sagittarius/Gemini axis.

She also has Mercury square Mars which probably makes her verbally abusive and explosive. Sun square Moon (Moon being in the 3rd) adds to her temper because the prideful side of her nature clashes with intense emotions and she expresses it through her 3rd house = verbally

Interesting that both of these persons have Sun square Saturn and Uranus opposition Chiron. Sun square Saturn: difficulty dealing with authority, a frustrated ambition for power; Uranus opp Chiron: a constant running from their wounds/issues, inability to resolve them which makes them rebel (against matters indicated by the house) instead of turning for help and doing inner healing.

ETA: crabbypatty, please post your father's chart, I am curious to see it.

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My father has Neptune, Mars, and Sun in Scorpio in the 12th house and he's a pretty ****** up person-tried to destroy his own son whom he never had anything to do with. Never have anything to do with him again.

posted November 28, 2013 12:01 PM            

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Originally posted by NeptunianSag:
just out of curiosity, do you have a mars-Pluto aspect? I feel the same sometimes I would actually kill to defend myself if there wasn't laws in place. Or sometimes I just feel like killing people because they are so petty about things.

On topic: I know a Scorpio who is a complete psychopath, or knew. He has Scorpio in sun, mercury, mars, all of them fall into his 11th house, and his 11th house ruler is Scorpio. His moon and Lilith is in Aries afflicted by neptune and venus. Venus in libra (which btw is afflicted by Neptune and Uranus) sag ascendant. He likes to dig deep into people and then move on, string them along again, repeat and rinse, all the while not caring about people's emotions in the process. due to the flightiness of afflicted Venus and impulsive Aries moon/Lilith which he does not want to get attached to people and has short lived affairs with women, sometimes 2 at once. He is a huge player and womaniser, he has Neptune in his first house so he's really good at presenting an ideal image onto somebody and lying. He certainly likes to keep people as his experiments and rarely sees that his large group of friends are human.

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posted November 28, 2013 12:04 PM            

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Originally posted by vickymadness:
Thank you. Such a relief.

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posted November 28, 2013 12:29 PM            

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Originally posted by fireopal09:
IndigoDirae, Thank you for differentiating between the psychopathic spectrum and emotional predators. I have been in a relationship with a man who is on the spectrum for almost 4 years. I have never been treated with such respect & loyalty (I am 40 & I have too many relationships.) ever. He is also very accepting of me. All I have to offer is reciprocation.

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Thank you for sharing, fireopal. And, yes, that's the more evolved profile. There are similar features between the schizophrenic spectrum (namely SPD / schizoid personality) and the psychopathic. Brain chemistry AND background are the most confounding features - so. Nature? Nurture? Who knows. Psychopathology, more than anything, seems to be most influenced by background when the chemistry is present.

This is why some such as Bundy, Dahmer, Kemper et al became erotophonophiliacs (organised / mixed type lust murderers) whereas others, (such as my partner) became possessed instead of a need to understand and identify evil, becoming its stark negative, hidebound by a code of ethics he deemed would shield him from the influences of his career.

To this day, he believes I'm the only one he's ever known to have an even greater understanding of it - which he's stunned may have come by being more forgiving of its nature. He simply wishes to eradicate it; I want to grok it. But then he's a propagandist and analyst; I'm a profiler and therapist.

Unsurprisingly, most in such careers DO fall on the spectrum. Honestly, I'd say both of us are here to learn unconditional love. Doing ... not so shabbily in that area. Curiously, it's my husband who's developed an exchange-based style of relating. Perhaps mine is unconscious, (there is evidence for that) but I struggle to develop true communal relations, unconditional love, and affective empathy. I'm getting there - slowly but surely.

posted November 28, 2013 12:49 PM            

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Do you dislike the term sociopath? Sociopath sounds like an accurate description for someone who is a blight on society.

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It's not my doing, S3. We've been arguing over it since the '40s, when what are now varying levels were named two separate conditions. However, this largely stemmed from the source of most misinformation / conflicting research: the right unsure of what the left's doing. So, now, in the digital age, there are two distinct camps - and everyone's had their process for reconciling the disparity.

I'm from the FBI school, most of my training being from the '90s. Lykken had recently tried to establish the separate terms as two forms of expression of what we all now agree is the psychopathology spectrum. Largely due to the work of James Fallon. (As he's a neuroscientist, I've been most inclined to agree with it, since I like a hard, scientific background in my softer sciences when applicable.)

I'm most comfortable these days allowing the public to do as they will - up to a point. Then I'll jump in. As we're all from different educational backgrounds, mine has such founded:

Psychopathology is a spectrum; it expresses in one of two ways, sometimes both: primary and secondary.

Primary psychopathology is what we most immediately think of as 'psychopath': there is a distinct lack of affective empathy; they may or may not have many overlaps with SPD / schizoid personality - mostly negative traits associated with schizophrenia. You'll get your glib, charismatic liars here most readily in this group - which I think is sampling bias,

Secondary psychopathology is what comes to mind with the term 'sociopath'. I've noticed those diagnosed with APD (Antisocial Personality Disorder) tend to alternate calling themselves 'sociopath' and 'psychopath' depending upon the audience. 'Sociopath' seems a gentler term - when in reality, it just indicates an antisocial approach: tendency to exhibit those traits of the schizophrenic spectrum which yield paranoia, lower / eradicate the need for others, and increase the likelihood of pathological lying.

At the end of the day, you're looking at the difference between calling someone a socialist and a communist. Over time, distinctions have emerged simply due to the language used. But both have the exact same roots expressed differently. (And are almost indistinguishable when compared to capitalism. It's only when examined closely, side by side, that we see true differences.

Those differences are primary versus secondary psychopathology.

There hasn't really been any measure of how someone will react versus the two separate terms (and whether one's more primary or secondary tends to matter very little to them) but I intend to isolate it in my upcoming study. My hypothesis is that the respondent will be 'more evil' if termed 'psychopath' and show slightly less antisocial behaviour if 'sociopath'.

This is amusing, of course, because the public has 'decreed' that socios are 'softer' than the 'paths. They're not. It's all perception - and our understanding of it.

posted November 28, 2013 01:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Because I know myself. I am a very difficult person, hard to understand thats why I prefer to be most of the time alone. I work better alone, I don't like being surrounded by many people and so on.

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Are you sure you're not exhibiting schizoid traits? While there's clear overlap, psychopaths have some strong differences.

posted November 28, 2013 01:41 PM            

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What effect does nessus have squaring the ascendant?
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Creates an abrasive, abusive, sociopathic personality during times when the person is not able to fully achieve his or her potential.

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With the above comment, you said that nessus wasn't the issue there, it was more of the neptune influence. How can you tell the difference, and how do you know which aspect weighs more heavily on negatively influencing a natal chart?
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First we look at Saturn to assess negativity.

Then, look at the Sun Sign/Rising Sign . If Pisces, then Neptune dominates. If many planets in Pisces, then Neptune afflictions dominate. I look at 6th House for Neptune afflictions as Mathematical Astrology allocates 6th House to Pisces more than Virgo.

Next, check the tightness of the orbs.
Neptune sq Mars less than 2 degrees is way more powerful than Nessus sq Venus by 3 degrees. Nessus sq Pluto is very weak unless the orb is less than 1 degree, as both are slow moving objects.

If Ascendant conjuncts Nessus exact, other aspects take a back seat. Especially in synastry.

Judging a chart for negativity is like solving many simultaneous equations, we have to proceed very systematically and we must not break the rules just for the sake of proving a point. We must also keep in mind that Positive aspects can nullify negative aspects. When both positive and negative aspects are reasonably equal, it becomes a Free Will Choice to act positively or negatively. Here, a Transit Analysis helps.
Most psychos feel like killing their victims during harsh Mars Transits to Natal Nessus.

This is still an evolving subject. We might find an Asteroid or a new Planetoid that makes more accurate harsh aspects in the charts of the wicked. At that time, we must be objective and relegate Nessus to number 2 spot.

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So i already knew i had allot of anit-social placements/aspects in my chart some of them being: pluto opposite ascendant, mars and mercury with gemini sun which probably raises the importance of the afflicted mercury.

posted November 30, 2013 01:51 AM            

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Originally posted by PeterPan:
So i already knew i had allot of anit-social placements/aspects in my chart some of them being: pluto opposite ascendant, mars and mercury with gemini sun which probably raises the importance of the afflicted mercury.

however i just realized nessus conjuncts pluto and opposes the other planets i have, would this indicate that i'm a psychopath?

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PeterPan,

Number one reason you're not a psychopath? You're worrying that you're a psychopath.

Better? Oh, good.

Why am I being so curt? Psychopathy should NOT be diagnosed in a natal chart. For chrissake. Perhaps, it can be heavily indicated if an antisocial personality is already present - or, taking strictly from James Fallon here - other features indicative of psychopathology.

Do you have any of that?

posted November 30, 2013 01:00 PM            

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Originally posted by fireopal09:
Thank you for responding, IndigoDiRae. Nature vs Nurture: Children have such malleable brain chemistry. I do think some people are born predisposed psychopathic chemistry; whether it stays latent or not may be dependent on enviroment. Sorry for stating the obvious. I also think those who are more rational & not governed by their emotions are misaligned. I would much rather be operated on by a "sociopathic" surgeon than a touchy feely one. Compartmentalization is not necessarily a BAD quality.

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Heh, the obvious is essential in these cases. And I agree entirely. Fallon's work is seminal because he's 'a good psychopath'. He was raised in a loving environment - but just happens to have the neurochemical profile of a psychopath. I can relate to that. I'm principled, rational, DO have issues with affective empathy, but have plenty of cognitive.