posted September 01, 2010 05:18 AM            

The extreme people who classify in that kind of group are so few. Everyone have nessus somewhere.

Many many of the people in the year from 1964-1967 have their nessus in conj to my moon so......I more see nessus like an generation thing and not bad at all..

posted September 01, 2010 05:23 AM            

Your Nessus conj LUST opp Moon shows that you will have to confront a Sociopathic Mom, that your emotions will be hurt consciously by Sociopaths, and that your sexuality will be affected by those who are more into physical/abusive sex than romantic, tantra type sex. I don't see any Sociopathy from your side in your chart, your Mercury, Venus, Mars, Sun are not at all afflicted by Neptune, Saturn or Pluto in any way!
The redflag about you is that you will have the "Stockholm Syndrome" type feeling of feeling empathy/pity for a sociopath because of Venus conjunct Neptune. You married the wrong guy because JUNO in Pisces got quincunxed by Jupiter exact. Sun conjunct Mars in 5th saved you from misery. Thank God for the 5th House.

posted September 01, 2010 05:36 AM            

First an Astrologer sees the full chart.

A check for harsh Saturn aspects and Mercury afflictions, retrogrades etc gives an idea about past life karmas. Saturn sq Moon for instance is emotional sins of past lifelines, or being bad mother in the past lifeline.

Next, Mars afflictions are checked, especially from Neptune or Saturn.

Houses are checked. Rulers are checked.

After that, we check for Nessus afflictions to fine tune the analysis. If already many afflictions exist, the additional Nessus affliction WILL 100% indicate the person is a Sociopath or Psychopath. He needs help to rectify his mindset. Once cured, he can help spot other criminals and become useful to society.

If no other affliction is there, and only Nessus affliction exists, the chance is high that the person is sometimes mentally abusive but will rarely or never physically act it out. In some cases, such a person will help cure other afflicted Souls through his insights. Like Edgar Cayce. He overcame Sun square Nessus easily because he did not have other harsh aspects.

Why do you criticize something without understanding the subject matter fully ?

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posted September 01, 2010 05:47 AM            

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With the above comment, you said that nessus wasn't the issue there, it was more of the neptune influence. How can you tell the difference, and how do you know which aspect weighs more heavily on negatively influencing a natal chart?
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First we look at Saturn to assess negativity.

Then, look at the Sun Sign/Rising Sign . If Pisces, then Neptune dominates. If many planets in Pisces, then Neptune afflictions dominate. I look at 6th House for Neptune afflictions as Mathematical Astrology allocates 6th House to Pisces more than Virgo.

Next, check the tightness of the orbs.
Neptune sq Mars less than 2 degrees is way more powerful than Nessus sq Venus by 3 degrees. Nessus sq Pluto is very weak unless the orb is less than 1 degree, as both are slow moving objects.

If Ascendant conjuncts Nessus exact, other aspects take a back seat. Especially in synastry.

Judging a chart for negativity is like solving many simultaneous equations, we have to proceed very systematically and we must not break the rules just for the sake of proving a point. We must also keep in mind that Positive aspects can nullify negative aspects. When both positive and negative aspects are reasonably equal, it becomes a Free Will Choice to act positively or negatively. Here, a Transit Analysis helps.
Most psychos feel like killing their victims during harsh Mars Transits to Natal Nessus.

This is still an evolving subject. We might find an Asteroid or a new Planetoid that makes more accurate harsh aspects in the charts of the wicked. At that time, we must be objective and relegate Nessus to number 2 spot.

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posted September 01, 2010 05:49 AM            

Sorry I not mean to disturb but I try to also show the positive side on it.

Sorry again ...

posted September 01, 2010 03:27 PM            

Thank you for your time. If you don't mind, what does it mean when Nessus is in the 12th house close (not very close) to the north node in the sign of Cancer? I have this... I will post my chart so you can see it.

Also, do you pay attention to Nessus transits? Are they as important, as say, Pluto transits???

posted September 02, 2010 01:22 AM            

Transits to Natal Nessus are more important for everybody.

Your Chart:
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Nessus in 12th = Past life assaulter or assault victim.
You have heavy karmic debts, Saturn is squaring Nodes, with True Node in 12th. Your Spiritual Self Actualization will come when you contend with and release past life karmic debts by focusing more on present life good deeds. Saturn quinxunx Chiron indicates painful wounds in the present lifeline.

Leo Ascendant + Libra Moon = Beautiful, Venus in Pisces 7th = "Will mostly choose the wrong guy by falling for his sob story".
Pluto squares Nessus within 1 degree, and Mars is retrograde. Putting it all together, you are a candidate for being abused, even in a relationship, if you do not assert yourself. If you bolster your Self-Esteem, you can dish out more than an attempted abuser bargains for, as Sun is Aries and Jupiter is in Scorpio.

Check your Asteroid Dejanira [157], Karma [3811] and LUST [4386] as well.

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posted September 02, 2010 01:41 AM            

I have already analyzed most serial killers twice on LL, showing the afficted Nessus in nearly every case.
Will find the threads and post.

Some of the best material on Nessus is what we have pioneered on this forum. Eric Francis wrote a superb article on Nessus some years back.

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posted September 02, 2010 02:03 AM            

If you have any comments, please do, because I'm sure any insight will only help me further understand why I had to bump into such a person, what happened, and give some sense of closure (I already have a some, but am interested in knowing the astrological reasons for this)...

posted September 02, 2010 03:04 AM            

I imagine this will be happening when Pluto is going to conjunct my juno in 5th house in Capricorn...

posted May 10, 2011 07:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Unmoved:
It's really important to realise that sociopaths are unfeeling but extremely charming. They have great charisma. They might not be particularly social, they could be reserved but charm is their very important weapon of reeling them in. They usually mask their loner tendencies by partying hard. So, they act social their prey prefers the social type, but if you get closer to them you'll probably see that they don't have close friends but only have acquaintances, therefore a very lonely life. After they charm you, they start manipulating you, and when you catch them out, they lie pathologically to get out of trouble or to charm you further into believing that they are your ideal.

They are illusionist also, who make you believe what they tell you to believe, and how they secure the illusion is that they tend to isolate their prey. They will try and change a person, and they have great power to manipulate you to becoming what they want you to be through guilt or some kind of subtle coersion. Although they have no compassion, they can empathise, i.e. put themselves in your shoes. But unlike normal people they use the information against you after walking a mile in your shoes, instead of cultivating compassion from such. They understand the workings of the human very well, and they are highly sensitive to feeling people's energies. This is how they choose their prey because they will never mess with someone who isn't vulnerable to their tricks. They can almost smell a person that they can take advantage of, so they have extra sensory perception when it comes to sussing out people. They are calculative.

so, astrologically, this speaks of a lot of Pluto, Venus, Mercury, Neptune in hard aspects to each other somehow.

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Powerful !

posted May 20, 2011 03:33 PM            

so here's my sociopathic mother's chart. commplete con artist, horribly manipulative, cruel, sadistic, would sound like a demon (no exaggeration, her voice was utterly horrifying) when she would constantly scream and mutter about how much she hated me, every day of my life) and utterly charming (she turned my entire family against me with her sweet little giggles and ******** , saying i was a bad kid (i was so shy and quiet around my family and extremely affectionate and goofy at home, always trying to cheer her up) and they believed her even when i was put in foster care due to having the cops called on her several times when the neighbours heard her throwing me against walls and trying to kill me- yep. no support from any of them but they are almost all alcoholics and there is a very dysfunctional dynamic happening there which was easy for her to manipulate). i feel like throwing up when i think of her as she's attempted to eff over my adulthood as well.

i see that there was some discussion of nessus. weirdly it makes no aspects in her chart but sits EXACTLY on my moon (by '02).

REALLY interested in what anyone sees here.

posted May 20, 2011 04:24 PM            

my mom's chart ruler, neptune is the apex of that t-square between uranus and chiron..

and her IC ruler is mercury which is the apex of that t-square with mars and jupiter.. (same dealio for the ruler of her DC)

and her MC ruler is jupiter in the 7th, also involved in the t-square..

and her MC is conjunct her mercury which is, again, the apex of the t-square and ruler of both her IC and DC..

so my sense (?) is that on top of her smoke and mirrors presentation to the world (pisces rising), basically every thing else is flowing UP to her mercury (doubly ruling) which is the apex of her t-square between mars in pisces opposing jupiter in 7th (expansion through others, hightened projections?, getting extra fuel from strange misleading pisces mars). so basically the position of her MERCURY atop the chart is just a bunch of things flowing UP to it, a bunch of things that are decetptive and based in very little other than her own inner torment (t-squares) and projections..