posted July 31, 2010 03:24 PM            

What if parents of kids with afflicted charts give extra verbal, emotional and physical demonstrations of love, like keeping baby's cot in their own room? 10 hugs a day till age 10 than just one or none?"

Oh and loved K-Pax as well as the Trueman show.
I usually can`t stand Carrey too much, but really loved that film.

posted July 31, 2010 04:06 PM            

Ah you are only saying so, because you don`t know anyone else in Germany.

Both films left me with a strange, otherworldly feeling, like there was being something transported, something more than a mere story, you know?

But then again I have always felt and believed as a child that my life is a dream somehow.

posted July 31, 2010 04:14 PM            

Chiron is the exception. Chiron was the son of Cronus and Philyra. He was an immortal being. He did not descend from Ixion.

Ixion was actually discovered in the centaur sign of Sagittarius. None of the centaurs were discovered in that sign.

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posted August 29, 2010 06:26 PM            

What is the NESSUS? Is there a chart option to show this aspect for your analysis?

posted August 30, 2010 12:42 PM            

Please read the previous posts on how Nessus can indicate Sociopathy or even Psychopathy/Serial Killer tendencies.

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posted August 30, 2010 01:00 PM            

yes I have been wondering similiar things. Even as a child I was having that feeling as if someone was observing us from "above".Once or twice I thought having seen a "hole"in the sky through which God or others observe us. LOL
I guess I was just looking at the clouds though.

My aunt often wondered if we might be just the dream of someone else.

posted August 31, 2010 12:29 AM            

Gah, I’ve been reading this thread and thinking of my mother and ex-husband and I also have Juno in Pisces! My ex-husband, when I met him, I had the overwhelming urge to want to “take care” of him. He had one of the worst childhoods I have ever heard of. But his issues were too much for us to overcome. He was mean and harsh and controlling and super manipulative. And soooo charming when he wanted something! So sweet, so endearing... when he wanted to be and it would get him something. He had no qualms in saying whatever was necessary to get his own way, lying, promising everything and anything... and then, reneging when he got what he wanted and didn’t need to fulfull his end of the bargain. And a bully!!!

This next thing I will tell you about him says it all... he got a job with the Department of Corrections in California in the last year and recently messaged me on Facebook. I asked him how his job was going, he said “GREAT!!!” and I said “really?” he says (and this is almost verbatim) “yes!!! My job is awesome!!! I get paid to be a d*ckhead to people all day and I love it!!!”...

MY GOD

I can’t even tell you how much I thanked God and the Universe and heavens above that this man is out of my life!!! I was completely repulsed and saddened by that sentiment. I can’t believe i was married to this man and how close i came to spending a miserable life with him. AWFUL.

I will come back and post his chart and my mother’s in a minute....

The similarities they both share is a similar conglomeration of planets in the 1st house – Sun/Venus/Mercury.

They are both stunningly manipulative and cunning, charming and adorable when need be, they can flick their emotions and reactions on and off like a switch, my mother refuses to take responsibility for ANYTHING in her life (ex-husband is not as extreme as her in that regard). Both are very talented with money and good at accumulating wealth and very, very tight fisted and miserly. Not generous at all, but always so eager to completely exploit anyone else’s generosity. Both are very, very vain about their looks and other good qualities, real and imagined ones.

Mum is a Virgo with Leo rising and a Sag Moon.
Ex-husband is a Pisces with Capricorn rising and an Aries Moon.

I really need to look up both of their asteroids, like Nessus and Black Moon Lillith.

posted August 31, 2010 06:18 AM            

Interestingly, Nessus is exactly trine my Moon, her Mars is opposed my Moon. And Sedna is trine my Venus/Neptune conjunction...

This is my ex-husband.

posted August 31, 2010 01:14 PM            

1. Mars square Neptune exact, with Mars in Pisces.

2. Nessus quincunx Mercury.

3. Pluto quincunx Mars.

This is weaker but valid, as the Moon is a fast moving object.
4. Nessus square Moon.

Quincunxes can drive Pisceans nuts, Pisces finds the 150 degree angle very difficult to handle. Nessus being in the 6th House worsens his case and hence he can happily be a Sociopath. He knows no other path. Had he been cursed with a Nessus square Mars aspect than trine, he would have even physically or sexually abused weaker people whenever the opportunity presented itself.

Your Mom's Chart:
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Ascendant conjunct Saturn with Pluto in 12th conjuncting Saturn dominates the Sociopathic Angel, from past life karmas. It is possible that she was a victim in the past lifeline.

Nessus is not much of an issue in her case. Mars square Neptune is more than sufficient for her sociopathic behavior.

For sociopathy without any physical or sexual abuse, a simple Sun square Neptune or Mars square Neptune aspect can be enough.

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posted August 31, 2010 05:43 PM            

The previous poster's mother had Nessus square ascendant. So does the person I know who I suspect is a sociopath.

What effect does nessus have squaring the ascendant?

posted August 31, 2010 06:39 PM            

ummmmm

it's rather amusing that we look at the charts of people who we suspect to be sociopaths or psychotics

but many people that don't believe in metaphysical subjects would view many professional metaphysical practitioners as being sociopaths or psychotics that pull the wool over gullible,naive people's eyes

it just seems ironic that we metaphysical practitioners can judge certain people which could be 'calling the kettle black"

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posted August 31, 2010 10:15 PM            

iQ, thanks for the analysis… I feel terrible saying this and I hope to God I am completely wrong, but my ex-husband has a daughter and recently its occurred to me that he might molest her one day and the thought repulses and upsets me. I so hope I’m wrong. The thing is, he grew up in a very “inappropriate” household… his mother had 5 children from 5 different men and the last husband, they were swingers who would walk around naked and have sex with the doors open… early in our marriage, he told me a story about his eldest sister’s boyfriend… my ex-husband was about 4 years old and walked in on this guy while he was in the bathroom… and the guy grab his head and put his penis in his mouth and urinated in it… I cried. I was so upset that this happened. And so angry. I wanted to know if he knew the guys name. I wanted to find him and beat him. My Ex told me that he died in a motorcycle accident several years later. He also told me that one day he walked into an orgy, he was about 7… and his mother and her friends encouraged him to kiss one of the woman’s genitals and they all thought it was so cute and funny. I was horrified.

What I also found out in the last year of our marriage, which he never told me himself, but his sister-in-law and his step-mother separately confirmed, was that one of his older brothers raped him when he was 12.

This all explained SO MUCH to me. And really showed me his problems ran so much deeper than I ever imagined, than he would ever admit or address and I couldn’t sacrifice myself to try to save him because this was a man who would not ever admit to himself that he was abused in this way or that anything at all was wrong with him AT ALL (in his mind, he’s wonderful and perfect)… so what hope was there for change and happiness?

Now that his second marriage has fallen apart, he has a daughter and he says he’s not getting married again and its just her and him now and he doesn’t need anyone else. For some reason, I have this nagging horror that he may be inappropriate with her or worse one day. I can definitely see him focusing on her to the exclusion of all and at the very least, when she wants to spread her wings…. GUILT AND MANIPULATION.

My mother, on the other hand… she has some heavy karma. I know this. What has been bothering me lately are my spiritual beliefs that we each choose the situation and the parents we are born to, and I’ve been wondering why I would do THIS to myself? LOL… It sounds kind of funny when put that way. But yeah. I had an epiphany this morning that it may have been because I needed to know true happiness and that it absolutely comes from within.

My mother can tick every check box of superficial things most people would think they would require to be very, very happy and content in life… but she isn’t. She’s a misery. She has problems with every single person in her life and can only seem to maintain distant, superficial friendships. She’s constantly involved in some kind of lawsuit or conflict and so miserly and tight with her money that it affects every aspect of her life. She’s the most negative and critical person I have ever known. She almost DESTROYED me in my early 20s with her criticism of me, she’s relentless and doesn’t care how her criticism is affecting anyone or how unconstructive it may be, she feels she is RIGHT and therefore will persist. I used to think maybe she just wanted the best for me and didn’t know another way, but in the last few years she has shown me it isn’t about wanting the best, it is really about JUDGING and FEELING SUPERIOR. Its all about her ego and validating herself and how wonderful she is.

She’s rich, she’s exceptionally classically beautiful (she turned 63 last Wednesday and seriously looks about late 30’s, maybe early 40’s and very attractive… lol… my grandma says “like a vampire!!!”, LOL), she’s charming and talented and smart… yet she’s miserable and has no happiness in her life and I am sad to say, I don’t think she has a possibility to ever be happy or find companionship because she is too difficult and even a man who would be enarmoured of her looks… there isn’t anyone who could take what she dishes out in close relationships. There just isn’t anyone. She is also EXTREMELY disdainful of sex and completely uninterested in it at all. She thinks it is base and animalistic and disgusting.

What she did to my father is probably most telling of who she is and how she views the world. When she was 3 months pregnant, she decided she hated him… in her own words, many times to me, she’s said “I just woke up one day and I hated him”… so she left. She wouldn’t let him into the room when I was born and didn’t give me his last name. For no reason. Just couldn’t stand him. Just spite. Just because.

She destroyed his life and scarred him. He had a nervous breakdown. She was about 30 and he was about 24. Why she did that, I don’t know. It’s vile. I understand not wanting to be with someone, but the spite and estrangement from me… for no reason. The mind boggles.

posted September 01, 2010 04:02 AM            

VenusDeMilo is right, skeptics dont view Astrologers and Psychics as sociopaths, they just think we are naive nuts with good intentions. Do not distract without mathematically precise astrological evidence.

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posted September 01, 2010 05:02 AM            

I have struggled with envy in the past and I had a tendency to not be happy for people and love to gossip and be sour and negative... but I think that is less represented in my innate nature and astrological chart than it is an environmental factor -- my family is that way and I really thought being like that was normal. I never knew you could be another way until adulthood! It was a revelation and a choice I consciously chose to make, to stop being that way. I can honestly say when good things happen to people around me I am never jealous and genuinely happy. But even when I was much more sour and negative, I was always told my many people how trusted I was and genuine and a good friend. It has never ever been in my nature to betray anyone or do ill towards anyone.

But I have a lot of the markers in my chart discussed here. I think it is in part free will and that I consciously want to and strive to express the higher vibrations in my chart and be a better person... and i also think on another level... your higher self expresses its will and intention for this incarnation and if you are not evolved and your soul still wants to exact revenge and grudges and do ill, then that is what you will do on this earth.

This is my natal chart:

Iq, something I just noticed is that I also have the asteroid Lust at 11 Cancer... so conjunct Nessus and opposed my Moon... what do you think the significance of that is?

posted September 01, 2010 05:09 AM            

VMilo wrote:
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Anyway, my epiphany which I got sidetracked from, just this morning, I thought... maybe it is part of my lesson in this life to learn true happiness and love that has nothing to do with material things, talents, accolades, looks, etc. She really shows me all of that is meaningless without love and kindnes in your heart.
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A beautiful realization!

I will take a look in your ex-husband's chart for any sexual abuse tendencies.
He has suffered terrible psychological damage, and unfortunately harsh transits trigger tendencies to avenge personal torture by torturing others. It would be great if he seeks counseling.

I stick to mathematical astrology, so I wont assume a judgement and then search for an aspect to justify it. Will list the dangerous aspects before hand:
1. LUST affliction by Mars, Pluto, Saturn or Neptune.
2. Nessus affliction to LUST or LUCIFER
3. Milder: NESSUS square KARMA
These 3 in a sociopath's chart are dangerous. They are not so dangerous in a non-sociopath's chart.

Guilt and Manipulation from his side to clip wings are almost guaranteed, but you can do something about it. You can counsel the child about raising her inner Self-Esteem, no matter what the external taunts. She must have the self-belief that she is special and will be successful in her life, and you must inculcate in her the inner faith that God loves her no matter what.
No Sociopath can damage Inner Faith.