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posted July 26, 2010 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love you ,Maira


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posted July 26, 2010 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maira     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aww, sweetie, I really-really needed to hear this right now! Thank you!!

And, of course - sorry for the off topic, but hey, love on a sociopathic thread ain't that bad

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posted July 26, 2010 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Sam Vaknin is a self proclaimed Narcissist who wrote a book on N.
IMO, I don't think he COULD be one if he had that type of self introspection .


I have a few questions about Bundy's chart.
He has so many planets in the 4th. Does that show a bad childhood?
Also, he has many squares to the AC and MC.
What significance is that ?

Also, IQ said moon in the 6th house could show emotional abuse?
Why?
Thanks so much for any input.
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Ami, the 6th house is about service. When the moon is in the 6th it can represent your emotions serving others, in other words others use your emotions against you. It's not unusual for a 6th house moon to be the "parent" or "caring mother" to their coworkers and for those coworkers to take advantage of them.

Edited to add: I don't know much about Ted Bundy, but a 4th house focus in a chart means a focus on 4th house things like childhood fears/patterns/habits, the subconscious, home environment, nurturing, etc.

There was research done years ago on the charts of serial killers. If I recall correctly, the most frequent chart placements were Sun in Gemini, Moon in Libra, Mercury in Scorpio, or Libra ascendant. I'll see if I can find that report and paste either the information or a link here.... Okay, here is the article with all the research in case anyone wants to have a look at it: http://www.astrologyresearchjournal.org/articles_list.htm

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posted July 26, 2010 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you(((Musette)))

GREAT articles!
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well Ami

about the 4th makes sense cause childwood is when we learn "who" we want to BE..IT IS related to our family bakcground,the years of our childwood,but also our home,the one we can form when we grow up and the family we create.

for instance,it can show a difficult upbringing allright: for example my bf although having nice parents,had an extremely difficult upbringing,cause his eldest brother got all the attention and help in Life.He grew up having to take care of himself first,while his brother only thought of himself,and his parents werenīt giving him the attentino that a person needs in those important years of our life.He had to leave the house,so that the brother could be there with his gf at the same room,so figure out what that would do to a 17yer old boy who only wanted love and caring ( cancer asc). instead the parents didn't do nothing,and preferred to have the eldest son of 27yr old in the house,while he had to go live to a room with mouses...and with no food sometimes to eat..these things still today gives me .....arghhhhhh!!!!!!!dont want to say it.!!

even today is the same thing...i guess that all of this and more appearn in his saturn/pluto place in the 4th.

PLUTO CJ NAME ASTEROID OF HIS BROTHER in the chart.!! sq his asc and kikx his Kiron.

he has jupiter there too rules his 6th so might have helped a bit,in a form that i dont know whic is yet..although it is cj Lucifer...

the good thing is that when he ll have his Saturn Return,we will be faced to stand up and finally work out the things that are left to being faced,on what it concerns his family.

dont forget that PLuto there can also mean power struggles,manipulation games,and dominion through control.so he had it all during his teen years...

so all of these could have contributted for him to become highly rebellious for example,traumatized to the point of developing strong feelings of hate/anger/resentment....so many things...just cause he didnt had the upbringing he deserved.

However,he chose to become a better person.He chosed to be strong and determined to pursue a better life,to believe that Life wasnt what he was living...and still today he struggles,even if he doesn't say it to me.

i admire he strongly by all the choices that he had made.He could have gone the "wrong way",but he didntī.

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"it was a matter of speaking.but nessus is also classified as an asteroid in astro as the number 7066"


Nessus is a centaur classified as a minor planet

asteroids,centaurs,and transneptunians are all classified as minor planets and assigned minor planet numbers


Pluto is also on the minor planet list,and it has a minor planet number
134340
It's a transneptunian classified as a minor planet. Eris,Makemake,Haumea,Ceres which are also classified as dwarf planets like Pluto are also classified as minor planets and given minor planet numbers. Ceres is the only dwarf planet that is classified as an asteroid.

if you look at the title of the page http://www.astro.com/swisseph/astlist.htm
it says:

it says:
Minor Planet Names: Alphabetical List
This is an alphabetical listing of the names of the numbered minor planets. It was last updated on 2010 Feb 9

it doesn't say
"This is an alphabetical listing of the names of the numbered asteroids"


all asteroids are classified as c minor planets not all minor planets are classified as asteroids

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Thank you (((Diandra)))

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Glaucus,

how does the interpretation of an asteroid differ from the interpretation of another astronomical object, except for the underlying mythology?


Diandra,

interesting observations.
What do you think Medusa means here?

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"Glaucus,

how does the interpretation of an asteroid differ from the interpretation of another astronomical object, except for the underlying mythology?"

Their orbital characteristics,symbolism.
I went over this before in other threads.

Nessus was actually named Nessus because of its orbit - how it links the orbits of Saturn and Pluto. It was astrologers that came up with that name,and it was based on the consideration of its orbital features. These are the astronomically oriented astrologers.

the following is from Juan Revilla.

ORBITAL SYMBOLISM IN ASTROLOGY

I. INTRODUCTION

Trying to discover the astrological meaning of new planetary objects is not a simple question of playing with a name, beginning with the fact that many of them do not have a name yet Their orbital dynamics, the place they occupy in the structure of the solar system, their physical characteristics, they all establish a framework, a "niche" where they belong, a "gesture", a way of acting. Then the astrologer fills this form with his observations.

The most elemental principle of astrology is the foundation of this approach: "as above, so below", except that the "above" is the abstract, heliocentric perspective, not directly observable. The whole of modern Astrology is based on this abstract and non-observable world of "above", closer to mathematics than to what is physically experienced with the senses.

There is nothing "magical" in this. It is a reason that follows its own logic based on concordances and different from the logic of mechanics and of "cause and effect". This doesn't make it "irrational" in any way. It is just more analogical and metaphorical.

All observations must be interpreted and given a meaning. To do this, the scientist uses paradigms and builds explanations based on premises and certain cultural assumptions about the nature of the object under observation and about the nature of "reality". The astrologer doesn't make anything different. He also follows paradigms. Symbolical association and metaphorical thinking is one of these paradigms, one upon which rests the whole corpus of classical astrology.

When we apply orbital dynamics to the study of centaurs, one thing that becomes clear is that they tend to be very dramatic. They speak stronger and with more poignancy to the imagination than ordinary, almost circular orbits. It is just a question of getting used to their orbital language and gestures, a language that springs from the "orbital paradigm", which we can define as follows: the shape, place, and velocity of an orbit, the "orbital gesture", corresponds to similar gestures --psychologically or in external circumstances-- in the lives of people.

The distance ranges outlined here numerically, describing orbits that intercalate across the regions of the slow-moving planets of the solar system, establish the main framework on which their orbital symbolism is based, defining unambiguously some basic dynamic characteristics. They provide the information necessary to establish the foundation of this symbolism, to which is added information furnished by the orbital periods and mutual recurrences, the angle of crossing, and the orbital inclinations and latitudes.

For example, all centaurs share certain characteristics derived from the orbits that define them as a group. They all can be included in at least 3 basic categories:

1- Their sphere of action. They all work at the level of Saturn through Pluto; therefore their sphere of action is very different from the level at which the regular asteroids of the main belt between Mars and Jupiter work, much faster and closer to Earth. Their slow motion means that their transits can be used to map the great breakthroughs in the life of a person as we are used in the case of the planets from Saturn onwards. They are "visitors" from the trans-Neptunian, Plutonian world, which through them becomes more human, more compassionate, closer to us.

2- Their marginality. They are a clear minority among minor planets, less in number than all the other dynamical asteroid groups, and --because of their large orbital eccentricity-- they are "marginal", i.e., "do not belong" to a specific place but "wander" through the space dominated by the giant planets of the outer solar system, in many cases more or less aggressively crossing their orbits or "invading" their spheres. They are "renegades" that do not belong to an established, institutionalized world, which in turn they "intercept" or "break", carrying a symbolism very similar to that of Cain in the Genesis story.

3- Their instability. The orbits of centaurs, because of the way they intercept the distance range of the giant planets, are subject to very strong gravitational attractions or perturbations that make them unstable and "precarious", with a tendency to become chaotic or unpredictable in a few thousand years only. They are "crude" and "wild", with a tendency to be aggressive, but --unlike Pluto-- their orbits are "sick" and "tremble", destined to be transformed or die as a result of their crossing the paths of the giant planets. They are therefore related to pain and to death, but also to rapture, unconditioning, and freedom.

As a well-established orbit-crossing category, centaurs tend to be dynamically unique, strongly differentiated astronomically from the world of the main-belt asteroids. They separate from the others by breaking the image of "a ring" or "a belt" usually associated with asteroids, to follow their own excentric path. This singularity makes them "special", and experience shows that they are intense and powerful, in concordance with the large sweep of their slow motion and high eccentricity, in a way almost inversely proportional to their small size.
In practical terms, as part of the mathematical-astronomical model, we use celestial mechanics (orbital behavior), as a metaphor that models or "screens" the astrological characteristics of the centaurs, so we concentrate on the orbits, which are perceived as an interplay ("music") making the particular characteristics evident by differentiation or contrast in their movement, like a dance. I like to use the words "orbital gesture", and compare it with the movement of the hands and arms when someone is speaking. It is not conceptual, but similar to listening to music. From the effect the music produces on you, you "know" without knowing what it is. As I imagine this "orbital gesture", a moving, living image appears in my mind which "whispers" to me. Then, it becomes a matter of identifying in the specific event or experience or feeling being charted that same quality that the music or movement or gesture is producing in my imagination.

An example is the image of wings and of light that I often get from Pholus. It comes from its orbital behavior, the way I perceive it, and also from the sound qualities of its name, joined to my subjective perception of some of the people who have it focal. The centaur-myth is not in this picture. It is true that apparently, the "regular" orbits --rounder-- would appear as "mute", but this doesn't happen when seen in comparison, in the interplay. It is a question of images: you can imagine the massive giants being crossed and "ringed" by the smaller and unstable asteroids, and this puts in evidence the characteristics of both. In other words, it is an imaginative language, like that of mythology.

As an illustration, let's consider, imaginatively, the main-belt asteroid named "Nemesis" (#128):

"Nemesis": one utters the word and listens to it... a fast sound; a cycle of nearly 4 years and an orbit or way of moving , of acting, a physical gesture, that is wholly conventional, placid, circumscribed, with no highs or lows. Circumscribed to what? To one aspect of Nemesis, one "face" of the archetype which is necessarily limited by the particular nature of the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter.

Which face of the archetype? What is the nature of the asteroid belt compared with Uranus and with Pluto? What aspect of the archetype cannot be expressed in the asteroid belt and needs other bodies to do that?

If we listen, for example, to the apocalyptic gesture of an object like TL66, with a period of 800 years (200 times slooooooowwwwwwer), going away from the solar system until it disappears in the remote darkness of the unknown, and coming again centuries later, travelling 7 or 8 times faster than when it is far away, breaking through the orbital realm of Pluto until it "kisses" that of Neptune, like the visitation of a dark giant comet, only to go away again and disappear soon after that, then we say:

"N E E E E E E E M M M M E E E E S S I I I I I S S S S S S S S!"

... and the sound of a cosmic "N" and a cosmic "M" stays sizzling ("S") and resonating ("M"), like the effects of a terrific wind that has just passed.


II. THE ORBITAL PARADIGM

From a primal astrological perspective, and since the most ancient times, planets are essentially points of light that move orderly and predictably against the background of the fixed stars. Movement is therefore part of their essence, and their symbolical attributions in classical Astrology are a reflection of the particular characteristics of their motion as seen from a geocentric point of view.

For example, Saturn's very slow motion placed it at the edge of the known world, as the last of the concentric heavenly spheres next to the inmortal world of the fixed stars, and from which came the symbolical associations with earthly wisdom and with old age.

From the observed planetary motions, the ancients derived abstract/geometric representations aimed at modelling and predicting each planet's position at any moment of time, the so-called "epicycles" of the Ptolemaic system, which were later refined after Copernicus and Kepler and became the heliocentric orbits with which we are familiar today.

Each orbit contains the essence of the planet's astrological characteristics, putting in evidence what we may call "the orbital paradigm", which implies that orbital characteristics are the mental model or the point of reference that we use for the elaboration of the different analogies and metaphorical associations that constitute planetary symbolism.

One of the best examples of the central role of the orbital paradigm in Astrology can be seen in the astrological attributions of the planet Uranus. At the core of its characteristics is always the fact that Uranus "breaks" the ancient order signified by Saturn and opens the door to the new, challenging conventions and emphasizing individuality against the orthodox rules of Saturn. These characteristics are based on the position its orbit has in the solar system, one step beyond Saturn.

Orbital symbolism was used --for example-- by Marc Edmund Jones exclusively to explain all the astrological characteristics of the principal planets in his "Astrology How and Why It Works" (1943), and also by Dane Rudhyar, who explains it in "The Practice of Astrology" (1969) and who used it very extensively throughout all his works. It is the basis of the humanistic understanding of the roles of Uranus, Neptune and Pluto in modern Astrology.

This emphasis on orbital symbolism has also been present in centaur research since the discovery of Chiron in 1977. Unlike the main-belt asteroids (such as Ceres, Pallas, Juno, and Vesta), which have orbits circumscribed to the region between Mars and Jupiter and whose astrological meanings were heavily dependent on mythology, Chiron represented both to astronomers and to astrologers a challenge of definition due to its odd orbit: it was the first slow-motion asteroid that belonged to the outer solar system, and its orbit overlapped that of Uranus and Saturn, swinging between both. The name "Chiron", half one thing and half the other, is a reflection of this.

It was Chiron's astronomical oddity and the work of pioneers such as Zane Stein, who relied on orbital symbolism rather than mythology, what established a precedent in centaur research in which the orbit is "read" and interpreted as a model of the astrological characteristics found or confirmed by empirical evidence. When the other centaurs were discovered beginning with Pholus in 1992, it became evident that their orbits stood out and were dramatic when compared with those of the regular planets that they traversed. Centaurs dramatize the "orbital gestures", their orbits are more eloquent, and in the future they will inevitably help us redefine the astrological role of the outer planets, such as Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto helped redefine the roles of Jupiter and Saturn in the past.

III. THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE ORBIT

Every orbit is described by a set of numerical parameters that refer to its shape and its orientation with respect to time and space in the structure of the solar system. For our purposes, we can describe these parameters as an imaginative tree with branches which are a set of numbers and quantities called "the elements of the orbit" describing the trajectory of the planet over time.

A better metaphor is that of a musical score, made out of abstract mathematical proportions represented in space that describe something that happens in time. Like the flow of music, the imaginative representation of an orbital trajectory, when compared to the other trajectories, will speak to the imagination due to its relative placement in the whole and its particular shape and "gesture"; like the different themes in a large-scale symphonic movement, the orbital trajectory or gesture acquires meaning when it is seen (or "heard") with respect to other themes or sounds of the composition.

The word "gesture" regarding an orbital trajectory can be better understood if we think on how we naturally "draw" images, emotions, and sounds with our hands when we speak to an audience. Hands make unconscious movements and gestures that describe shapes in the air which are geometrical analogies of what we are trying to convey; these movements of the hands produce strong impressions in the audience and are an integral part of the message being transmitted. When we interpret the orbital gestures of the planets, especially those with "dramatic" orbits like the centaurs, we are doing imaginatively the same thing that we do when we inadvertently contemplate the hand-gestures of a good story-teller. The gestures are intrinsic to the nature of what is being told, and to the personality of the teller.

The orbital characteristics are essentially of 3 types:

a-) those that describe the position the object occupies in the solar system, expressed in terms of distance from the Sun and the speed or frequency with which it moves (the semi-major axis and distance range, transformed into velocity by means of Kepler's third law). Distant, slow-moving trajectories are like the low frequency sounds in music...

b-) those that describe the shape of the orbit (a combination of eccentricity and semi-major axis), which determines the type of gesture, the "curve" the orbit describes in space, the motion of the object from aphelion to perihelion, the changes and contrast in velocity, the perihelion "visitations" and the aphelion "stand-stills", the coming and the "going away".

c-) those that describe the orientation or "attitude", the "perspective" of the orbit, its capacity to "dive", to "hover", to "plunge" or in general its vertical orientation in space, how much it can get away from horizontality, expressed in the orbital inclination and the argument of latitude of the perihelion. The orbital inclination is one of the least studied orbital characteristics so far.

In the case of the centaurs, the combination of a-) and b-) results in one of their main characteristics: their orbital crossing or interception, of which we have had in astrology for decades the example of Pluto crossing the orbit of Neptune. Pluto also made us aware of the possible meaning of orbital inclination, and is in fact the model and the fore-bearer of all centaurs, which are considered to have physically originated in the same region of space as Pluto. http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/essays/paradigm.html


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Thanks for the reply.

I have to chew a bit on it though. Jeez, it is 2:20 a.m. here.
I should have been in bed 2 hours ago. lol

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I figured out something really big from this thread. I read some of the studies and thought about the houses last night.
Some pieces fell in.
One was the houses.I have Gemini Sun, Gemini Mercury and Cancer moon in the 8th house.
According to Saspratos, the 8th house planets stay undifferentiated until some circumstance turns them on.
So, an 8th house person can feel a lack of identity cuz his planets--in my case Sun(ego), Moon(emotions, heart) and Mercury(mind)--ARE in a type of dormancy.
I did have an identity but it was squished so far down that I may as well NOT have.
My problem has been that these planets were not "turned on".

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I am separating my post in case it gets erased.


I have NOT integrated certain parts of the chart. I have integrated others.
I am comfortable with Neptune in the 12th house. I feel comfortable with psychic energy.

I am TOO Neptunian in that I want to live in a fairy tale.
It doesn't work cuz it is not real. Neptune sight is not is based on reality for THIS earth,I don't think.

I have squished down Pluto like it was a mentally ill relative lol.
It stays down like a dog in a permanent stay position cuz it is so much power.
You have to put Pluto on your own leash and not let it walk you.
(I am trying to train my dog. Hence the dog references )

I am NOT comfortable with Pluto/Scorpio energy and have not integrated it.
I am half comfortable with Venus energy. It is in the 7th house in Taurus but unaspected except for 2 minor aspects.
Some sites say the minor aspects don't count. Other sites say they do.
I feel Venus-- like in my actions but my heart does not open easily.
I have to accept that. It CAN open. I found that out recently when it opened again. It had not opened since my Grandmother.
So, an aloof Venus just has to be accepted as part of the picture.
It is not "bad". It just is.

The other thing that I saw was that these killers had hard aspects but did NOT have to express them as they did.
Astrology could have cut their "mess" down to digestible pieces so they could have unraveled the yarn instead of it making a tight ball which imploded on itself.

Ami

PS If anyone has any comments--please express them. If you don't agree with anything--I would love to hear your comments

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Scrappy, Salient features of the male sociopath ex-husband:

1. Venus in 12th House of Taurus [Hidden materialistic traits]

2. Sun conj NESSUS, 2 degree orb. Duh. Naturally abusive, largely using the mind as his Ascendant and Sun are both Gemini.

3. Sun conj Cancer Moon, i.e born on a Water New Moon. Such chaps attract dark, negative astral vampires. Believe it or not, have just analyzed a very dear friend who was psychically attacked by one such person who had Sun conj Moon in Pisces.

4. Retrograde Mercury conjunct Sirius: Can give rise to egoistic crooked thinking.

5. Pluto in Libra opposing DEJANIRA exact: Enjoys the "intellectual" thrill of abusing women who want to be independent.

6. Neptune in 6th Sag quincunx Saturn in Cancer exact: This aspect clearly denotes high chances of emotional sadism. Very likely to have also been a victim of childhood emotional abuse from his mother.
He may have needed therapy from childhood itself.

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Notice that Ted Bundy also has retrograde Mercury in Scorpio, sq Leo Ascendant exact. Retro Mercury must be carefully treated from childhood.

Bundy was a ritually programmed killer. Moon conj KAALI, opp Uranus exact. His dark soul allowed this: NESSUS exact square Saturn retrograde in 12th.

I think I already proved last year that all sexual serial killers have afflicted Nessus-Saturn-Mars component. Bundy has Mars trine retro Pluto exact as well.

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Retro Mercury must be carefully treated from childhood.

Can you please elaborate, IQ?

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Their confidence in intellectual abilities must be developed, fear should not be taught as a control mechanism, they must be allowed to explore music. Their communication skills must never be mocked.

Leaving them to suffer in silence or solitude is dangerous, that is when crooked/warped/twisted thoughts take seed. Especially in males. Most will manage but the afflicted Nessus/Mars/Saturn types will want to get even with the world by abusing the weak.

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I have Retro Mercury in Gemini . I had music my whole life and music substituted for love-- for sex ,too

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I agree with the above, IQ, at the same time again it's about how the native uses Merc RX energy. I too have afflicted retro Merc in the 3rd, it manifests in me being pretty sarcastic at times but mostly being reluctant to share or communicate what's going on in my head. Surprisingly, having an afflicted retro Merc did not result in me having any speech challenges, idiosyncrasies or difficulty expressing myself, moreover, I majored in languages at the uni.

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I have a Rx Mercury in Aquarius, it's also in accidental detriment in the 9th but I love it. I have a different thought process than most people.

I'm left handed and left handed people apparently think in clouds instead of linearly and they also see the forest instead of the trees (more likely to pick up the whole picture instead of focusing on details... such a Sag thing). That said, it can be frustrating when trying to express myself, because I'll skip over parts that I feel that are pretty self evident to people, but they don't get it and pick apart what I didn't clarify.

I'm not really sure how that would add to sociopathic behavior, though.

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merc retro here too in 0Libra placed in the 12th....!

wide cj my asc 5šLibra.

fortunately sextiles my juo/uranus/ and trines kiron. receives a square from Neptune though....

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well i only know that Medusa was considered a beautiful women but she transformed into a monster(gorgon),using her skills ( whenever looked into the eyes)to hypnose Humans and get them killed(by turning them to stone)

to say the truth,dont know how it can be transfered to a chart.maybe shows where a person can be a prey of "two-faced" people ( Medusa/Athenas duality) that can lead them to the darker side( as she was sent to guard the doors of the Underworld.and dont forget that she turned men into stone,almost like freezing them of their humanity/feelings.

what do you think?

IQ

what do you think about the aspects that i posted please?Do you agree with some of the things i refereed?

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posted July 27, 2010 10:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for zanarkand112     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for those concerned, but I had very limited time since my parents divorced when I was 11 with my Father. He could have done a lot more damage otherwise. I recently cut him out of my life and do not speak with him.

This is my Dad's chart without accurate birth time, but I truly believe this is the closest you'll get.

Here is two pics of him:

That's his new creepy facebook pic.

And here's him dressed up for my bro's graduation:

I hope that helps with guessing the ascendant. He could be Gemini rising, but I do think it's Leo.

I also made a mistake, he has a T-square between uranus, venus, and mars -- not the moon.

My mom also thinks he's Leo ascendant and kinda looks like them on astrofaces. When he sits down he spreads his legs and rams out while lounging backward in an "I own it" kind of posture. Has a stride when he walks. Not afraid to steal the limelight and loves getting the attention of any teachers that I had. Not an inkling of shyness and not afraid to openly talk about himself(as far as his interests ect) or ask the other person for help/assistance even if he's only known them for 10 minutes. Mom claims he would stand in awe of himself when in front of a mirror at a store. Totally captivated by his image...

Part 2 below, done with the long posts for a while now! lol

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posted July 27, 2010 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for zanarkand112     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Other personal sayings:
"Compromise is a lose-lose situation because nobody ends up getting what they want"

"All accidents are preventable!" Of course, he was not bound to his own beliefs. If I lost track of an item, he'd fold his arms and say I was irresponsible. If he lost an item we "would not be leaving the home until he found it"

Deeply savors and enjoys food.(the type that mmmmmmmmmm *breathes deeply* mmmmmmm while eating ...ugh) Sounds like he's talking about great sex when talking about food or physical comforts he enjoys. (taurus mars) Physical, but not intimate. Never saw him kiss/hug my mom.

Looks down upon minorities of almost any kind. Closet racist, bashed gays all my life and when I came out he could only say "those people" when talking about gay men. Has a hidden hatred of women while being sweet to their face.(believes they are all out to "get your money and drain you dry")

When my mom was Diagnosed with Lupus and only disability the brakes went out on the car. My mom asked for help because driving with me and my brother as toddlers in a car she couldn't stop scared her. He became furious and the old saying of "you're just draining me dry"

Sat and just laughed in a situation where my mother feared she might be gang raped by his druggy friends in his college days because they kept flipping up her skirt and touching her.

When he took me to his best friend's house to spend the night while they were out of town(who is a corrupt night court judge who helps him bully others into getting his way) his daughter's cell phone kept ringing. He went and took her cell phone and threw it in the freezer and then shut the door. His best friend's wife complained he slept on her couch greasy and nasty -- ate all the kids snacks/food.

Specifically rented an apartment a couple blocks from our home to tape my mother's phone calls illegally when my mom first filed for divorce, and listened to her conversations for hours. He did not live there.

Emptied my bro and my trust fund accounts to pay for a lawyer that ended up getting our child support(illegally) cut early. Tried and illegally forced my mother to stop homeschooling me and the judge backed him up by saying he would throw my mom in jail. Payed thousands of dollars to get what he wanted in the divorce and stalled it for years.

Would pinch my brother and my legs and say "don't touch that, it's MINE" Even if it was truly ours, it was always his.

When he got angry, it happened so suddenly that it would really take you off guard or shock you. It sounded like Zues's voice booming from the heavens while his face turned blood red like a tomato. Five minutes later he'd just kind of nervously laugh or pretend like it never happened.

Not only a nasty house, but a nasty car piled with junk you could barely fit in it.

He would slowly write the check out for my braces while sighing(the court demanded he pay for that during the divorce) and make me slip the check in the payment box. Then he would explain to me how much money that was, and how hard it was for him to pay that kind of money when he'd come to visit me on the weekends. Now since I cut contact debt collectors have(illegally said they plan to pursue me) sent notices saying I owe $1300 for braces while I am trying to file for disability.

A master interrogator! Would not stop asking the same question over and over again until he heard what he wanted. Probably the most annoying thing when visiting with him. Conversations were so tiresome and draining. Condescending if disapproved of your answers or "punished you" passive aggressively later.

I want you to all know, I don't write this seeking pity but purely for study. But thank you for the concern!

Maira, I understand the differences. The thing is, a narcissist can actually experience love where a sociopath cannot. That is where I don't know what he is even though I believe he is a sociopath. Basically, if there was one seat left on a Titanic lifeboat the Narcissist would toss you overboard might cry with true feelings of guilt about it even though they sacrificed your life selfishly to save their own a**. The sociopath tosses you overboard and thinks "hope she can swim...if not...she was like 30 anyway so she lived a decently long life" while just hoping nobody saw him or her do it. And all their actions are rationalized/justified. Cartman on South Park is the ultimate example of a sociopath if you watch that show. He's so believable too each time he seeks pity or makes excuses for his actions -- then he always screws everyone over as soon as they take the bait.

The number one clue to looks for when examining sociopaths is they seek out pity after they do something to intentionally hurt you or others. They need your love and adoration, so they can take advantage of you. Someone who continually hurts you and then turns on the waterworks or "puppy dog eyes" when they lose control...beware.

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(((Zan)))
Man,his pix has a power in it. I put that next to what you wrote and I get a sense of him.
It is a wonder you are still here and sane after all that.


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