posted November 26, 2013 12:16 PM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
Yours is based on a fatalistic view lol

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posted November 26, 2013 12:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Jessica, she IMPLIED that a person can be happy after a great pain. She made her life experience a general thing, which I don't agree with.
I know exactly what she wrote and what she tried to say and failed.

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They can be. There is always a possibility. If I were making my experience a general thing, I'd say that because I went through things and am happy, it must be the same for everyone.

posted November 26, 2013 12:19 PM            

Let's all agree to disagree.

Uranus is mostly the culprit in sudden marriages and sudden break offs. But like I said before, I don't really see the relation with people who marry before the age of 29. Nothing happens by coincidence. Life, marriage, birth,death do not happen by coincidence.

posted November 26, 2013 12:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
I did meet a lot of people. I do know who is telling the truth and who doesn't. I live in real life not on some fantasy planet where everybody is happy.

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posted November 26, 2013 12:20 PM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
Again. Not everybody is unhappy. I said there is a possibility. Your fantasy land is quite fatalistic isn't it.

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posted November 26, 2013 12:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
No darling. Realistic.

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posted November 26, 2013 12:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Now you change to ITS A POSSIBLITY. You are fantastic. And other things.

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Have always said it in my previous posts, look again. It is why other people tell you to read more carefully. I started off telling you about my personal experience (and others), and when you started spewing about "Everybody", I made it clear again that I wasn't talking about everybody.

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Originally posted by 12muddy: People can go through hardships, and be happy.

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posted November 26, 2013 12:27 PM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
Realistic is to agree that there is a possibility. LOL met a lot of people LOLOL

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posted November 26, 2013 12:38 PM            

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Originally posted by SDragon:
Can we move on please?

All this talk about maturity and yet no one's stepped up and taken the higher road.

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posted November 26, 2013 12:38 PM            

I've seen so many friends unhappy in there marriage. Most people I know who got married young are divorced. People get divorced for so many reasons but I think what really creates divorce and unhappy marriages is selfishness.

Two things I believe are really important for a healthy happy marriage. 1) it isn't about you, it is about both people. When you marry you are now a family and both parties should think of the other. 2) getting married means you add to the persons life not take things away like freedom, hobbies, etc. I see this all the time. One person starts to want to control the other.

I don't think age has anything to do with it. I heard (who knows if it is true) that 50% of marriages end in divorce and out of the ones that don't 80% of them are unhappy.

This is just my opinion and what I see. I really think some people don't think about the marriage as a family unit.

I got married very young cause I love my husband but I feel lucky that we ended up having the same values, we grew together. It wasn't all about him or me but us.

posted November 26, 2013 12:41 PM            

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Originally posted by CAY_512:
I have been married for over ten years. I got married right after graduating high school. I still love & am really happy in my marriage.

I've seen so many friends unhappy in there marriage. Most people I know who got married young are divorced. People get divorced for so many reasons but I think what really creates divorce and unhappy marriages is selfishness.

Two things I believe are really important for a healthy happy marriage. 1) it isn't about you, it is about both people. When you marry you are now a family and both parties should think of the other. 2) getting married means you add to the persons life not take things away like freedom, hobbies, etc. I see this all the time. One person starts to want to control the other.

I don't think age has anything to do with it. I heard (who knows if it is true) that 50% of marriages end in divorce and out of the ones that don't 80% of them are unhappy.

This is just my opinion and what I see. I really think some people don't think about the marriage as a family unit.

I got married very young cause I love my husband but I feel lucky that we ended up having the same values, we grew together. It wasn't all about him or me but us.

Just my thoughts.

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posted November 26, 2013 01:03 PM            

Anyway.

I have two aunts who have Saturn in the 7H (can't remember the details of their aspects, however).
One of them got married at 18.
The other got married at 32.
Guess who has a happy marriage?
Yes, the one who got married at 18.
She's been married for 21 years now and still going strong.
The other aunt has a miserable marriage that was about to fall apart a few months ago, but apparently she's back to her husband (not out of love, mind you, but because she's in a difficult situation financially).
Saturn binds, okay.
But it doesn't mean the people are happy.

That there ^ partly disproves your theory.
Well... let's just say that there are always exceptions.

posted November 26, 2013 01:13 PM            

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I wrote a long, elaborated reply but then decided not to post it.

Anyway.

I have two aunts who have Saturn in the 7H (can't remember the details of their aspects, however).
One of them got married at 18.
The other got married at 32.
Guess who has a happy marriage?
Yes, the one who got married at 18.
She's been married for 21 years now and still going strong.
The other aunt has a miserable marriage that was about to fall apart a few months ago, but apparently she's back to her husband (not out of love, mind you, but because she's in a difficult situation financially).
Saturn binds, okay.
But it doesn't mean the people are happy.

That there ^ partly disproves your theory.
Well... let's just say that there are always exceptions.

Even though, generally speaking, I do think it's better to marry later rather than sooner like cappy said.
Young people, no matter how mature, are usually not well-equipped to make good decisions on the long-term.

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posted November 26, 2013 01:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
May I ask how old are you?

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I am 28 and my husband is 30.

I think astrology is a big tool in understanding marriage as well. What makes one person happy isn't going to make another person happy.

I know people talk a lot about age but I see older people who are making poor decisions in their marriage as well. I see people (no judgement) who are older, even in their 50s and 60s who repeat the same mistakes and marry and divorce over and over again.

I don't even understand this whole happy & unhappy marriage thing. If someone loves someone enough to want to spend their life with them, why do things fall apart? Are these people unhappy in the beginning? Are they looking for someone else to make them happy? DId they marry the wrong person? Who would be the right person? Is there a right person for them? Are they bound to make the same mistakes over and over. A girl I know who just got divorced is dating someone with a very similar chart as her husband (this new person just has a different Mars sign)

posted November 26, 2013 01:37 PM            

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Its not MY theory. I don't have theories. I have astrology cases. When I opened the thread I was thinking more on celebrities because they are people too.
From what I could see the pattern is the same. Married young, failed marriage, the second marriage a better one. J.K Rowling married at 25 and divorced later. Married a second time at 36 and still strong. Tom Hanks married young and divorced. Married Rita later and still strong after more than 30 years.
Another pattern that I could noticed: our grandparents married young and still strong after decades together. People who married at the beginning of the last century. Don't know why but this pattern does not exist anymore. Now people divorce even after 30 years. Arnold Schwarzenegger, Vladimir Putin are only a few. I can't see why marriage that occured before the 50s last and those after don't. Not to mention how many divorces occur in 2013. Uranus is the problem I know but there are WAY too many.

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My grandma just passed away. She was in her 90s. She was married to my grandpa til the day they died.

She said, "What is wrong with people today is that they have one little fight and they want to get divorced."

That was her view on society as she started to see more divorces as time went on. I think everyone has their views and ideas on marriage and no one really has the same.

posted November 26, 2013 01:44 PM            

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Originally posted by CAY_512:
I am 28 and my husband is 30.

I think astrology is a big tool in understanding marriage as well. What makes one person happy isn't going to make another person happy.

I know people talk a lot about age but I see older people who are making poor decisions in their marriage as well. I see people (no judgement) who are older, even in their 50s and 60s who repeat the same mistakes and marry and divorce over and over again.

I don't even understand this whole happy & unhappy marriage thing. If someone loves someone enough to want to spend their life with them, why do things fall apart? Are these people unhappy in the beginning? Are they looking for someone else to make them happy? DId they marry the wrong person? Who would be the right person? Is there a right person for them? Are they bound to make the same mistakes over and over. A girl I know who just got divorced is dating someone with a very similar chart as her husband (this new person just has a different Mars sign)

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"He was raised in a typical Midwestern American Methodist Puritan home where there was no outward show of love or emotion, not so much as a kiss on the cheek."

posted November 26, 2013 01:44 PM            

I think celebrity couples aren't the best example because it's a whole different world for them. I see what you mean though, there does seem to be a pattern.

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CAY,

I like your posts. Congrats on being happily married and I agree with everything you said.

posted November 26, 2013 01:46 PM            

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Originally posted by CAY_512:

My grandma just passed away. She was in her 90s. She was married to my grandpa til the day they died.

She said, "What is wrong with people today is that they have one little fight and they want to get divorced."

That was her view on society as she started to see more divorces as time went on. I think everyone has their views and ideas on marriage and no one really has the same.

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posted November 26, 2013 02:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:

CAY,

I like your posts. Congrats on being happily married and I agree with everything you said.

And sorry about your loss.

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Thank you, I miss her. She did live a long life.

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
I find fights and arguments be healthy in a marriage. Otherwise the couple will live limited and frustrated. Of course, proper fights not with violence and abuse.

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I don't think two people can live in the same house and not have a disagreement from time to time. No matter how easy going they are lol

I think you are right about some people trying to find what they lacked from their parents. I think a lot of people marry their parents or at least attract the same kind of people to the family. My husband has a lot of placements like the people in my family and I have a lot of placements like the people in his family. My sister married a guy with very similar placements at the same degree as me. He is almost the male version of me. I told her she is weird lol

From a law standpoint, marriage is just a piece of paper, a contract. From a sociologists stand point. It is just a solution to social problems but it represents so many different things to so many different people. I think it is unfair that we have made marriage into something that should be labelled one way in our society. I don't think everyone can live the same lifestyle.

Lets say 100 people married and 50 of them divorced. Out of that 50 who stayed married only 20% are happy. That means 10 are happy. Out of 100 people only 10 of them are happy with the structure that is accepted for marriage in our society.

Why do we have a structure that most people think everyone should be doing, that is only going to make 10% of people happy?

Or maybe it is our culture. We live in a high consumer culture. High-tech. People get things immediately and that falls into their marriage of wanting what they want now and how they want it. Thinking of I instead of US.

posted November 26, 2013 04:23 PM            

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You have no IDEA what are you talking about. I do. You are still 21. We'll talk in a few years. You think I am superior than you and rightful to tell you than you are immature? Yes, I am. Why? Because you have no fricking idea what my life has been since birth, you have no idea what is suffering and pain from a fragile age so don't tell you are mature because you are not. I opened this topic to state my opinion as an astrologer and what I think of people who marry young. Its my OPINION to think people younger than me are immature because THEY are. They still have A LOT more than me to learn.
Do you how EXTREMELY MATURE I thought I was at your age? You have no idea. Do you think I'm agressive? No, this is my way of being. I will never consider people younger than me mature. Why? Because your time has no come yet. Mine did. You think saving one's life doesn't make me more or less mature? DO YOU REALLY KNOW what this thing implies? SACRIFICE. A thing at 19 didnt know what meant. Now I know. When you will reach my age, you will know to. What's mature for you? Getting married and having kids? Everyone can do that. A priest and a bed will suffice. What comes after that is what immature people cannot handle. You said you want to get married BEFORE that age. OK. Wanna bet you'll be divorces in less that 3 years and a single mother?

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posted November 26, 2013 04:25 PM            

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Woman please stop with the sob stories nobody cares this an astrology forum not Maury Povitch. Grow up already what is your deal!? Lmfao and leave my muddy alone. Why can't you accept other people's opinions like they do yours.....

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