posted December 13, 2016 02:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Nine:

Don't mean to pop too many bubbles but according to Robert Hand, Vedic Astrology appears to be based largely on Ancient Greek astrology. So this view of Libra/7H & death has roots in the West.

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now the interesting thing is that, the sun is supposedly exalted at 19 degrees of Aries, and thus in fall at 19 degrees of Aries, which is by surprise (or maybe not) the sun degree of the satanist Aleister Crowley.

I hope dear Libra people won't take offense by this, we're not talking about every Libra.

@Nine

what do you think about Eris being representative of Libra?

posted December 13, 2016 02:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
That's okay, you can call Libra whatever you want, including AintLoyal. That still won't make them come and support you in your little wars and squirmishes if they think you are wrong.

But if venting makes you feel better, then by all means, vent away.

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posted December 13, 2016 02:30 PM            

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Originally posted by CosmiqPhuz:
If you weren't trying to put Libras under a bad light, why didn't you title it "Mom's friend ain't loyal"? C'mon, at least admit your prejudice.

It's like when someone has to point out somebody who wronged them is jewish or black. Why point it out?

Ok, so people have had lousy experiences with a few people in their lives who happen to be Libras. I guess all Libras are lousy people now, right?

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Because my mums friend is LIBRA and this is astrology forum,idk...thats why

posted December 13, 2016 02:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Hemilla:
Because my mums friend is LIBRA and this is astrology forum,idk...thats why

But if you want to think this is some conspiracy agains libras - man be my guest

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posted December 13, 2016 03:21 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Why didn't you just make it about your mum's friend then? Instead of labeling ALL Libras?
Kind of brought that upon yourself.
I'm just saying, if you generalize, you WILL get some crap for it.

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WHAT exactly did she bring upon herself? if you're referring to yourself and a couple of other member who have become offended most probably, there are also other posts which have shared similar stories to her.

she just shared her personal story and in the OP she clearly says "THIS libra dissapointed me", and her title is also "Libra not loyal", not Libras. she probably meant one libra hasn't been loyal, and was looking for similar stories maybe which she's received.

posted December 13, 2016 03:26 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
WHAT exactly did she bring upon herself? if you're referring to yourself and a couple of other member who have become offended most probably, there are also other posts which have shared similar stories to her.

she just shared her personal story and in the OP she clearly says "THIS libra dissapointed me", and her title is also "Libra not loyal", not Libras. she probably meant one libra hasn't been loyal.

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posted December 13, 2016 03:30 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
So by that standard...
Libra transitions to death (Scorpio)
Then Virgo must be birth, life, light.... the Virgin.
That makes sense, but that's not to say that there are not strong biases at work here either because I'm quite certain there are.

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posted December 13, 2016 03:36 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
of course there is always a bias. everybody draws on their own personal experiences. the person who comes to the Libra defense also is biased

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posted December 13, 2016 03:43 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Eh whatever.
I'm not offended. How could you possibly know? Because l disagree?
Hardly is any reason to call me offended.
I'll just wander off and wait until the next time that you want to argue with me because you never have acknowledged me unless to argue. Seems like you have a problem with me for some reason.
I refuse.
Adios.

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I said "if" you're referring to yourself, etc, since of course I wasn't and am not sure whether you're offended.

and about the argue thing, Dopgang I only have once directly talked to you, in a topic you started which had the "generalized" title that could have addressed all people who had that placement. and since you're advising Hemilla that she should have clearly named the person who had this placement in her title, of course it was an irony for me that you said this, especially while you did it yourself not long ago in a topic which was closed since you got so angry at my analysis which you started swearing.

maybe you're not offended and are just advising Hemilla, in that case, Adios, I'd be happy not ever talking to you.

posted December 13, 2016 03:52 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
of course there is always a bias. everybody draws on their own personal experiences. the person who comes to the Libra defense also is biased.

about my own chart,
I only have the IC in Libra and I only ever know 3 libra (suns). one is an uncle who has cheated on my aunt. another is my cousin's wife who never stops flirting with even married men. she forced my cousin into marriage but does drive him mad at times (he's a scorpio sun). she's actually very attractive and I think she kind of can't help herself. another was a friend I happen to love and she got married a couple of years ago in early 20s and moved into another country, so I don't know her story. she was a very strange libra. I was like her only friend for a couple of years, but then she suddenly cut me off after her marriage.

I overall think that Libras beside never being 100% dedicated, check out every body, even if they're married. on the outside it looks as if they can't help themselves.

my opinion will change of course if I meet another couple of Libras who behave otherwise.

I closely know 2 Libra moons, 2 Libra marses, and 3 libra venus people. the moon ones act closest to the suns, and venuses/marses to some extent.

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imo, any astrologer who is calling any particular sign Satan is telling on himself and his own issues.

posted December 13, 2016 03:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
imo, any astrologer who is calling any particular sign Satan is telling on himself and his own issues.

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if you're talking to me I'm not an astrologer. about the satan thing, the sign of scorpio has also been referred to as death or satan. so you think people who still think scorpio is the sign of satan/death are strong in scorpio themselves? well maybe.

posted December 13, 2016 04:00 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
if you're talking to me I'm not an astrologer. about the satan thing, the sign of scorpio has also been referred to as death or satan. so you think people who still think scorpio is the sign of satan/death are strong in scorpio themselves? well maybe.

also, every person has libra somewhere in their chart/life. it doesn't have to be only an angle to be considered part of you.

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posted December 13, 2016 04:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:

ETA: IF Libra is Satan because it is the 7th house, then it would follow that its opposite, the 1st house, Aries, is God. DO you understand the flaw in this logic?

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this is no logic

the sun and the moon are also considered opposite yet they're represented by the signs next to each other

and satan or opposition must fit somewhere in the zodiac. the zodiac is symbolic, and every person will have a satan in them.

posted December 13, 2016 04:11 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
this is no logic

the sun and the moon are also considered opposite yet they're represented by the signs next to each other

and satan or opposition must fit somewhere in the zodiac. the zodiac is symbolic, and every person will have a satan in them.

prior to this topic I too associated Scorpio with Satan, so I thank Nine for presenting some new mythological information.

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posted December 13, 2016 04:18 PM            

Assuming Satan does exist, if Satan was so open, if he could be so easily identified and recognized, his power would be gone.

posted December 13, 2016 04:19 PM            

In tarot, Satan is depicted on the Devil card with the lovers chained to him, and to each other, and thus we get the basic interpretation of "unbreakable bonds". And thus this card is actually a good omen for commitment, partnerships, marriages, agreements. bearing in mind, "be careful what you wish for", e.g. make sure that the bond is one you want to be embroiled in.

No where in the tarot is Satan a malevolent energy. How we interpret Satan will depend on which depiction we are drawing from.

The Lovers, while ruled by Gemini in the tarot, always strike me as Libran - the coming together of opposing forces/energies (always felt that Gemini was a divided energy).
The Devil is ruled by Capricorn, however it features the Lovers in the depiction.

Anyway, just food for thought.

I do not feel that "Satan" is a negative energy, probably because I base my understanding of the concept on the pagan tarot.

Libra rules partnerships, and the Devil represents unbreakable bonds - not exactly the same, but definitely related.

posted December 13, 2016 04:30 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
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and satan or opposition must fit somewhere in the zodiac. the zodiac is symbolic, and every person will have a satan in them.

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posted December 13, 2016 04:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
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The Satan part of a natal chart could be calculated the same way one calculate things like Part of Fortune, etc. But to assign Satan to a particular sign in the Zodiac is to me an embarrassing flaw in thinking.

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posted December 13, 2016 04:45 PM            

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When I hear people insisting that Libra is Satan, it makes me wonder what's going on in their natal chart to make them see Libra that way.

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Aww, it'll be okay, Belage. I see you're not ready for the truth. Acceptance will come in time. Give it time.

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...[I]wonder what's going on in their natal chart to make them see Libra that way.

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posted December 13, 2016 04:46 PM            

It's been an interesting full moon in Gemini experience here.

posted December 13, 2016 04:48 PM            

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this is making more sense to me (the association of libra with death or satan) with the 7th house standing for libra; because I always wondered why the 7th house also represents "open" enemies, and the most open enemy of mankind would be satan of course who swore to lure every human into hell.

now the interesting thing is that, the sun is supposedly exalted at 19 degrees of Aries, and thus in fall at 19 degrees of [Libra], which is by surprise (or maybe not) the sun degree of the satanist Aleister Crowley.

I hope dear Libra people won't take offense by this, we're not talking about every Libra.

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Well said.

posted December 13, 2016 04:54 PM            

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@Nine

what do you think about Eris being representative of Libra?

of course I only thought about it ruling Libra since it's somewhat like a planet; I would never suppose an asteroid to rule over a sign.

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I'm actually not that familiar with Asteroids, sorry.

posted December 13, 2016 04:56 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Belage:
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The Satan part of a natal chart could be calculated the same way one calculate things like Part of Fortune, etc. But to assign Satan to a particular sign in the Zodiac is to me an embarrassing flaw in thinking.

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Bravo!!

That was excellent.

posted December 13, 2016 04:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Lol at Satan being an open enemy.

Assuming Satan does exist, if Satan was so open, if he could be so easily identified and recognized, his power would be gone.

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A Libra Moon here, with a strong Stellium in Sagittarius (SUN/MARS/MERCURY/VENUS/NN).

I absolutely agree with you on this particular point, Belage.

Satan, as both, a symbol and a myth, essentially derives his power from his ability to seamlessly blend in, from his perfect chameleonic nature and his capability to shapeshift. Satan, is, in truth, nameless and faceless and that is what makes such a powerful entity/figure/force.

We believe that we know him but the truth of the matter is that we don't, for he is beyond our deciphering. In other words, he is too amorphous for us to fully grasp and define.

We,classically, associate him with all that is 'Evil'. But what is evil exactly ? Who decides if something is evil or not ? If such things are defined by ethics and morals then what did those codes come from ? Religion ? What about way before that ?

When you try to take morality out of the context of religion. Things became much more complicated. There are moral codes/values which we call universal due to the simple fact that we all agree upon them. Have you ever wondered why we do despite all of our religious/ideological, sometimes conflicting, differences ?

Objectively speaking, was Lucifer/Satan truly 'evil' for refusing to submit to a higher authority (God), for wanting to be his own 'boss' so to speak ?

Sorry for rambling lol this went way of course XD I'm doing a Master's Thesis on this so that's why I'm being weird.

posted December 13, 2016 05:04 PM            

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The Satan part of a natal chart could be calculated the same way one calculate things like Part of Fortune, etc.

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Incorrect. Satan is the declared adversary of God in theology. Find the part of a horoscope that points to "declared" enemies and Satan will be identified.

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But to assign Satan to a particular sign in the Zodiac is to me an embarrassing flaw in thinking.

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More insults? Insightful.