posted December 14, 2016 05:20 PM              

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Originally posted by Belage:
Libra moon and Mercury here.

On second thought, I think Libra should embrace the perception that they are Satan and death. People LOVE that dark energy and they will inevitably think Libra are sexier for it, the same way they fetishized Scorpio. And they will RESPECT Libra more.

The only thing, Scorpios are going to feel robbed of their danger aura. Sorry Scorpio. Step back! You're just an undertaker. Libras are the real badass of the Zodiac!

I want to thank Nine for revealing my sulfurous diabolical side to myself. Umm, I think I like it. It's exciting. Goodness is overrated.

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F!ck yea! Lol

Sun, Venus and AC in Libra with Venus in 12th conjunct AC all sorts of dark.

Cap Moon - I'm loyal, I value longevity in friendships the longer you know me the deeper the bond and why throw away so many years of work. If anything I'm a bit too over protective of family and friends making sure they are ok but also that they dont consume too much of my time that it takes away focus from my own things - some other signs are veryyyy clingy very, Libras don't like clingy.

As far as dishonesty goes, there's a difference between straight out lying and deciding to omit certain info/details I'm the latter.

posted December 14, 2016 05:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Libra moon and Mercury here.

On second thought, I think Libra should embrace the perception that they are Satan and death. People LOVE that dark energy and they will inevitably think Libra are sexier for it, the same way they fetishized Scorpio. And they will RESPECT Libra more.

The only thing, Scorpios are going to feel robbed of their danger aura. Sorry Scorpio. Step back! You're just an undertaker. Libras are the real badass of the Zodiac!

I want to thank Nine for revealing my sulfurous diabolical side to myself. Umm, I think I like it. It's exciting. Goodness is overrated.

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posted December 14, 2016 05:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I am off to using my newly found satanic Libran powers to turn myself into the most beautiful and deadly woman I know.
I've got a few men - and women- I need to ensnare in my quest for TOTAL WORLD DOMINATION. Bow down, b******* !!

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posted December 14, 2016 05:47 PM            

When there is a conflict, Libra will not choose sides.
It's honorable in their minds, because they truly, genuinely want peace.

The problem is that this means that issues that could've been healthily worked out via conflict... now get swept under the rug. Hostility will fester. It's only a matter of time until things blow up again, but Libra wants the path of least resistance.

Libra is the type to be cordial to everyone in the office, even the people they can't stand, because they understand the value in social politics. Others find this spineless. It just depends what side of the coin you're on.

Libra is cunning - infamously the iron fist in the velvet glove. It's Saturn exalted, it's the embodiment of the Major Arcana's Justice card. It's unyielding, which can be perceived as cold. It's neutral, which can be perceived as fickle. It's "fairness", taken to the 100th degree, which can be seen as fake. Especially if you have strong Jupiter/Martian/Aries/Uranian energy.

Just depends where you land energetically on the astrological scale.

"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality."

posted December 14, 2016 07:18 PM            

Look at all the Libra in Judge Judy's chart (Sun, merc, Libra, Mars, and Neptune, and also has a Pisces moon). Vladimir Putin has a lot of Libra in his chart as well. I believe someone already mentioned Crowley (Libra sun and Venus) in this thread who seemed to delight in shocking the public. This isn't me holding them up with pride, but as an example of how the stereotype of Libra being scared of conflict & controversy is wrong.

I know a Libra who punched a cop in the face because he chose a side.

Eleanor Roosevelt is another example, and though she is much closer to the Libra stereotype, even she was an activist, and boldly faced harassment from both sides of the law (summary here ).

posted December 14, 2016 07:48 PM            

V. Putin has a massive Libra stellium and he's certainly a controversial figure as far as his military prowess goes. But this is also a man who has his Gemini Moon *correction* semi-square Uranus at (0°29) - the tightest aspect in his chart. That would certainly supersede much of his Libra.

Mrs Roosevelt was a huge pioneer of unconventionality and civil rights with a Libra stellium (Sun/NN/Mercury) and was outspoken by the time her role as First Lady came to an untimely end. But wouldn't her Venusian ways be tempered by her tight Sun sq. Moon (0°49), meaning her cordiality was at an odds end with her emotional life?

She also has her Libran way of thinking (Mercury) trine her Pluto (0°56) so she was never going to be a meek wallflower.

Are there Taurus bodybuilders who aren't lazy and are meticulous with their diets?
Are there Aries Moons who refuse to burst into anger and hold grudges?
Are there Virgos whose work spaces are a mess?

Of course!

But we're talking about how signs manifest on an everyday, mundane level. As someone with Venus in my 7th, I attract Libra to me like white on rice. I have 3 confirmed Libra ASCs in my life, numerous Libra Suns, Moons, Mars, and a lone Libra Venus. While not all of them maintain peace and harmony 100% of the time, their energy is extremely inclined towards it and is distinct in this way.

posted December 14, 2016 07:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
That is an interesting argument Athenaia; it's like saying that even though I have an Aquarius stellium of five, it would be easily overshadowed or easily affected by my Moon-Pluto opposition because of its potency (orb of 2 minutes).

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posted December 14, 2016 08:08 PM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
Tight orbs with outer planets are definitely no joke! Then you have the house flavoring the style of the planets too.. it's all very complex. You even said yourself you don't feel like a stereotypical Aqua most of the time (though you have that Uranian zingy brilliance to you in your writing )

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That is true; I don't feel like a stereotypical Aquarius, especially with how much of an introvert I am. I've always wondered why that was with all of my Aquarius planets but I've never considered the idea of tight aspects outweighing the potency of a stellium. I wasn't sure if it was right to assume that a single aspect could overpower the rest of the chart.

Thinking about it in these terms however opens up a new way of understanding my natal chart. Interesting...
I always thought my writing was thanks to my Mercury-Neptune conjunction. It is exact too.

posted December 14, 2016 08:21 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
V Putin has Libra stellium squaring URANUS and inconjuncting Jupiter.

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posted December 14, 2016 08:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
That is true; I don't feel like a stereotypical Aquarius, especially with how much of an introvert I am. I've always wondered why that was with all of my Aquarius planets but I've never considered the idea of tight aspects outweighing the potency of a stellium. I wasn't sure if it was right to assume that a single aspect could overpower the rest of the chart.

Thinking about it in these terms however opens up a new way of understanding my natal chart. Interesting...
I always thought my writing was thanks to my Mercury-Neptune conjunction. It is exact too.

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Well I'm an Aqua Moon and I totally consider myself an introvert.. when I was younger I was much quieter, but I think when Aquarius grows to accept itself a little better, it can be more accessible socially.

posted December 14, 2016 11:15 PM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
Libras are absolutely capable of action, it's in their astrological genetic makeup being a cardinal sign! However being anything other than peace-loving and collective-nourishing is more the exception than the rule, don't you think?

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Yes and no. In a way I can see what you're saying. This can, in some ways, be applied to many I know. And yet it misses something.

If Libra perceives something as unfair, they're likely to speak up or do something about it. They can also choose to speak up to balance the scales (especially if this allows an underdog to have a voice or choice they otherwise wouldn't). That creates conflict. They do not "refuse to take sides." That said, it's not natural for Libra to run inquisitions and to sacrifice the harmony of the group by pursuing a principle with fanatical zeal. Balance in all things.

In case it needs to be said, there are more options than being a loud mouth jerk or cringing submissive, pacifist, or fatalist. Pure Libra is neither of those things, though can be both when the Scales get out of whack and try to right themselves. Furthermore, while Jerry Springer behavior is definitely a turn off to Libra, it's because Libra is disgusted by it rather than intimidated. Constant attempts at bullying and intimidation (and other Jerry Springer behavior) will cause Pure Libra to reveal the iron fist within the velvet glove, but otherwise Libra will try to be fair and polite, and prefers to be gentle while also firm. Not everything is worth their attention, however (a Libra that takes on too much is just asking for trouble because it throws their Scales out of whack, and plenty know it).

And Pure Libra is neutral only in that a Libra's side can't be automatically assumed due to affiliations and emotional ties as most others can be, which is why they're seen as the most ethical judges. Judges who have to make a ruling, but try not to be too hasty about it or allow personal feelings to interfere with making a fair decision (didn't say they always succeed, but this is how they're pulled). And that does mean they can and will choose a side when an elephant steps on a mouse's tail--and will rule against the elephant even if married to that elephant (again, this is referring only to pure Libra energy here).

posted December 15, 2016 01:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Belage,

What degree is your dangerous Libra Moon at? I bet it conjunct my badass Libra Venus at 17'

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My dangerous libra moon is at 1 degree.

But the real Terminator is my Mercury libra at that Satanic Aleister Crowley 19 degree.

posted December 15, 2016 01:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
My dangerous libra moon is at 1 degree.

But the real Terminator is my Mercury libra at that Satanic Aleister Crowley 19 degree.

Transit Jupiter is about to conjunct my Satanic Mercury, while transit Saturn is about to sextile it. ~ Insert satanic laugh here while rubbing my nahds.

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posted December 15, 2016 02:13 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:

Hmmm...maybe there is something to Libra as Satan after all...And btw, Satan didn't lie, and the punishment they endured was imposed upon them by a jealous, vindictive entity desiring worship as opposed to a natural consequence. The god of the Old Testament is a real ******* , and nothing a Libra would tolerate forever.

I've certainly encountered some interesting theological interpretations about the entire Garden of Eden thing which are not mainstream, and makes it out to be closer to the story of the Matrix with Satan as Neo. Though my personal favorite was a group of Dianic Wiccans (not necessarily "mainstream" Dianic) that liked to celebrate Eve (in the mythical, symbolic sense) as a Prometheus like heroine for freeing us (or starting the battle) from tyranny and celebrated her by eating the apple (though it's known that the fruit in the supposed Garden was never identified, apples were still holy for other reasons). As best I recall, the sun signs of members were mostly of the fixed signs.

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Satan did lie,HE TOLD THEM THEY WILL BE EQUAL TO GOD knowing full ******* well there is not option in the world neither him or those two idiots can be that - he knew what their punishment will be and he did it,he did it to SPITE GOD not because he disliked idea of poor Adam and Eve being ''captives'' of Gods will - where they have to live in paradise and be masters of everything in it,what a curse of a life,huh? And he continued to torment both Adam and Eve and all their offspring on earth aswell - those wiccans were idiots .

posted December 15, 2016 05:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Hemilla:
those wiccans were idiots .

And God is not tyrant .

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posted December 15, 2016 05:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Hemilla:
Satan did lie,HE TOLD THEM THEY WILL BE EQUAL TO GOD knowing full ******* well there is not option in the world neither him or those two idiots can be that - he knew what their punishment will be and he did it,he did it to SPITE GOD not because he disliked idea of poor Adam and Eve being ''captives'' of Gods will - where they have to live in paradise and be masters of everything in it,what a curse of a life,huh? And he continued to torment both Adam and Eve and all their offspring on earth aswell - those wiccans were idiots .

And God is not tyrant .

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*tiptoes in*

What's so bad about having knowledge and making informed decisions?

posted December 15, 2016 06:41 PM            

This is why in most societies people under a certain age aren't allowed to sign contracts, and make other binding agreements - they're deemed too young to make informed decisions.

Adam and Eve were young'uns, thus innocent and needed protection.

posted December 16, 2016 03:42 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Libra sure as hell chooses sides, just not too fast (usually). Linda Goodman gives plenty of examples of how Libras can be downright trolls in starting conflicts because they have to balance the scales (and how irate they can be when their own Scales are out of balance). They usually don't do so as abrasively or boldly as a fire sign would, though they can.

Look at all the Libra in Judge Judy's chart (Sun, merc, Libra, Mars, and Neptune, and also has a Pisces moon). Vladimir Putin has a lot of Libra in his chart as well. I believe someone already mentioned Crowley (Libra sun and Venus) in this thread who seemed to delight in shocking the public. This isn't me holding them up with pride, but as an example of how the stereotype of Libra being scared of conflict & controversy is wrong.

I know a Libra who punched a cop in the face because he chose a side.

Eleanor Roosevelt is another example, and though she is much closer to the Libra stereotype, even she was an activist, and boldly faced harassment from both sides of the law (summary here ).

And it's not just the suns. One Libra moon and Mars (Cancer sun) was very brave in standing up for her beliefs even as it cost her all her friends and influence she had gained over the years, though she replaced them in short order (and was the alpha female in the new group, however sweetly she appeared to be in using her new status), though it helped that she had to transfer to a new school.

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I have a sister wiht Libra sun, Libra Mercury and Libra ascendant. a conversation with her is

I take position:i like to live in florida because of the weather

She says: "I believe that the weather in Florida is terrible in summer"

then you say: "yes, that is true. i hate summer in Florida. I should consider my decision"

Libra says: but not all the days in summer are that bad to be honest...

and then you say: well, that is true, maybe just a few days of humidity and enjoy the sun.. yay

LIBRA you should take care if you live in a very sunny place. there is an increase of cancer prevalence in Florida...

that is my libra experience. LInda Goodman used to say that the need of libra for balance things out was so strong, that no matter what side you take, libra will always take the opposite side just to keep things balanced. their need to be fair and objective drives them to this. of course she was taking of the Libra archetype. if a person we know does not eco the archetype, we cannot blame libra for that.. libra archetype in undecided, objective, neutral (does not take the side you want him to take as a friend, but the the one they consider to be fair). I suppose that any person having negative experience with any sign or placement may have some synastry aspect in their chart that push a button. it may be the way loyalty is defined. some people want a friend to support them even if they are wrong. libra will not do that. not a typical libra.

disclaimer: talking about the archetype. if any person you know is not like that, do not blame libra placement, maybe it is a combination of some factors in the chart and accidentally libra sun sing happened to be there. in research there is causalita and correlation. some times we find a factor that repeats over and over and we blame that factor as a culprit, just to find out that it was an association with no causality..

I for example has strong reactions against strong leo placements or energy, well the negative manifestations of LEO. but that is me. it is not something inherently wrong with leo energy, but when I see these traits in a person I have gut reaction. I am sure plenty of people here without any leo placement do not have the same feeling. does it mean that leo are problem because I have a problem with LEO energy? I am sure most of you will disagree. UNLESS you just happen to be like me. then we will both agree how ugly are these LEOs based on our BIASED experience of leo energy.

posted December 16, 2016 03:57 PM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
Here's is Libra's issue.. fairness. It shouldn't be an issue at all, yet it comes off that way the few that don't gel with this energy.

When there is a conflict, Libra will not choose sides.
It's honorable in their minds, because they truly, genuinely want peace.

The problem is that this means that issues that could've been healthily worked out via conflict... now get swept under the rug. Hostility will fester. It's only a matter of time until things blow up again, but Libra wants the path of least resistance.

Libra is the type to be cordial to everyone in the office, even the people they can't stand, because they understand the value in social politics. Others find this spineless. It just depends what side of the coin you're on.

Libra is cunning - infamously the iron fist in the velvet glove. It's Saturn exalted, it's the embodiment of the Major Arcana's Justice card. It's unyielding, which can be perceived as cold. It's neutral, which can be perceived as fickle. It's "fairness", taken to the 100th degree, which can be seen as fake. Especially if you have strong Jupiter/Martian/Aries/Uranian energy.

Just depends where you land energetically on the astrological scale.

"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality."

^^^^^ If that quote resonates with you, Libra isn't your cup of tea.

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