posted April 04, 2013 04:26 PM            

Swearing is not allowed in any government/public building [esp hospitals], and it's frowned upon in most public places [buses, trains, the street etc]. Swear at the police or even whilst talking to them and you're likely to get arrested if you ignore their verbal warning to stop.

Obviously lots of people here DO swear, but almost everyone acknowledges there's a time and a place for it.

posted April 04, 2013 07:51 PM            

Is that true it's not allowed in public buildings? Since when? N. Ireland or all the uk?

posted April 04, 2013 08:02 PM            

I live in England [north and south], I don't know about NI.

posted April 04, 2013 08:29 PM            

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
Because women had it harder. Does any of this get through to you? Seriously though, do you even consider what anyone is saying to you?

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posted April 04, 2013 08:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
What you described about the division of labor has nothing to do with oppression.

Oppression is when, for instance, a woman has ability and is forbidden (by men) from using that ability. To deprive women of the right to vote is oppressive. To demand women reproduce (as the churches have) and preventing them from speaking (as the churches have) is oppressive.

The list goes on, especially in other countries where women were valued as worth less than cattle.

But you just know better than everyone else, right?

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posted April 04, 2013 08:48 PM            

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Originally posted by starfairy:
^ I agree that gender equality should be the main goal.

The thing that concerns me about ag is that his views are based on ignorance. He lacks knowledge and appreciation for what women have gone through, and still go through, and instead focuses on extreme feminist groups (who do not represent the average woman) to affirm his opinions. Like, the last post he made was pretty ignorant, and you and other members corrected him. Sadly, I know so many men who share his views. After I saw the reaction to the Steubenville rape case (i.e. the unconscious drunk girl 'was asking for it', and the 2 rapists were the 'victims'), I realized how backwards society still is. It makes me think we're nowhere close to gender equality

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posted April 04, 2013 09:54 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
wanna know A little known fact? The average man only got the right to vote in the u.s in the 1800s. Before that you had to be a landowner and most people didnt own land thus they didnt have the right to vote. And their logic at that time was that the mans vote represented his family.This was because the core of american society at that time was the family.

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That's like saying blacks' slavery means nothing because heck, they got their right to vote, too, eventually!

Women have been forced into submission over the centuries, ignore that and you look like a fool with his blinders glued on.

1 Timothy 2:12

I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.

Fundamentalist Christian women are, to this day, taught to submit to their husbands, who are their "head."

I'll bet you feel like going to church now, don't ya?

Or how about a mosque, even better!!

posted April 04, 2013 10:02 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I'm sorry but i disagree. back in the day men worked themselves to death to support their families and when there was a war men were the ones who were forced to go fight and die. the history of the world is written in mens blood. Now I fully realize women had it rough, everyone had it rough! so why must society always paint women as victims and completely ignore what the average man had to go through? I'm sorry but the notion that the average man was priviliged is just plain wrong. Most men were poor worker drones who didnt have any power.But nobody wants to acknowledge any of that.

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Society doesn't really paint women as victims, you just refuse to take responsibility for your own focus.

And...AS IF women have enjoyed war? You know like half the women in NJ were "ravished" by Hessian soldiers in the Revolutionary War? Women are always getting raped through the wars.

Plus it's the MEN'S idea to have the damn wars! All of history is written about the men killing each other.

You know that men could go their entire lives without ever feeling the pain a woman might endure while giving birth? Especially a complicated birth with a heavy child and no painkillers. And women through history did that like multiple times and usually lost infants or their own lives in the process.

posted April 04, 2013 10:09 PM            

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I wish I didnt delete my earlier post before sending it. We brought up a few similar points.

I'm done at this point.

posted April 04, 2013 10:54 PM            

Hmm. Did you know that to this day men kill women three times as often as women kill men, in domestic disputes? Even though both have equal access to weapons.
http://www.dvrc-or.org/domestic/violence/resources/C61/#hom

That's in America.

Ever hear of bride burning?

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Bride burning is a form of domestic violence, most common in South Asia, in which a bride is killed at home by her husband or husband's family due to his dissatisfaction over the dowry provided by her family. The act is often a result of demands for more or prolonged dowry after the marriage.[1] Kerosene is most often used as the fuel.[2] It has been a major problem since at least 1993.[3]

This crime has been treated as culpable homicide and, if proven, is punishable accordingly, typically up to a death sentence or life imprisonment.[4] Bride burning has been recognized as an important public health problem in India,[5] accounting for around 2,500 deaths per year in the country.[5] In 1995, Time Magazine reported that dowry deaths in India increased from around 400 a year in the early 1980s to around 5,800 a year by the middle of the 1990s.[6] A year later, CNN ran a story saying that every year police receive more than 2,500 reports of bride burning.[7] According to Indian National Crime Record Bureau, there were 1,948 convictions and 3,876 acquittals in dowry death cases in 2008.[8]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bride_burning

And what about rape? Care about that at all? You know rapists are almost always men?

And we hear about gang rapes all the time. Children are dying from being gang raped...do women do anything like that?

posted April 04, 2013 11:14 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
faith,
I'm not denying all that, I was just saying life wasnt soo peachy for the average man either.

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That's actually very different from some of your more controversial points here.

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Yet people make it out like men had it made when they didnt.

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I haven't seen anyone here allege such a thing.

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
thats what ticks me off . everybody had it rough.Again everybody here is demonstrating why I have problems with feminism.

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WHO here is guilty of this irrationality you allude to? Please quote. I'd love to see what on earth you are talking about.

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
There's this societal brlief that women have it rough and men have always had it easy and its really annoying.

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Men have had certain privileges not granted to women. Men have harmed women more than vice versa. That's basically all anyone is saying.

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:

Its ok to cry to the heavens about womens issues and talk about misogny but let a man say "hey, men dont have it soo peachy either and we experience sexism too" and the feminized hive mind attacks and tries to shame him into silence.

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You're imagining things. See, you got a bad response because you said that women weren't oppressed. Yes...they....were. And are.

How would you feel if I said that men have it easy going off to wars? And that they are sissies for complaining about bayonet wounds? I mean, if I trivialize your pain, that is a pain in itself.

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
If a man tries to voice an issue women kindly remind him that they have it soo much worse because they had to crap out a baby.

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"Crap out a baby" ---> trivializing pain.

Actually I just brought that up as a counterpoint to your insistence that men had it sooo much worse because they had to go to war. You just got done telling me that men and women had it equally rough, NOW you are twisting my words to show that I was implying women had it "sooo much worse," just because I brought up evidence of just how EQUAL all that pain has been. If I dare say we've had equal pain...that's an affront to you? Like, you have to win the pain contest or I'm cutting away at your macho pride?

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
is it any wonder alot of men lack sensitivity
towards women issues? They are shoved down our throats on a daily basis and we arent allowed to voice our problems without getting verbally attacked.

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You lack consideration. It's not about women and men, it's about you having an insulting way of bringing these topics up. And frankly I have never met a man as overtly misogynistic as you. I've known plenty of misogynists, but you are the mouthiest.

It's a shame. You're so likeable otherwise.

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
yet we live in a society of male privilige. respect is a 2 way street.

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And nobody disrepects you until you start disrespecting women. Ever notice that? The sword swings in two directions.

Well that was a big waste of time, but at least I spoke my peace.

posted April 04, 2013 11:36 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
wanna know A little known fact? The average man only got the right to vote in the u.s in the 1800s. Before that you had to be a landowner and most people didnt own land thus they didnt have the right to vote. And their logic at that time was that the mans vote represented his family.This was because the core of american society at that time was the family.

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What you're talking about isn't gender oppression as much as ECONOMIC oppression. The more 'powerful' group always dominates and oppresses the 'weaker' one: men oppress women, rich oppress poor, etc..

The logic that only the man got the vote also came from the fact that men actually thought women were too stupid to vote. We were treated as a man's property, not as equal heads of household. We weren't recognized as valuable members of society.

The notion that the average man was 'privileged' refers to the fact that men had rights back then, while women did not. We were controlled by men in so many ways!! How long did we have to wait until we considered 'important' and 'smart' enough to deserve a right to vote?!

posted April 04, 2013 11:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Society doesn't really paint women as victims, you just refuse to take responsibility for your own focus.

And...AS IF women have enjoyed war? You know like half the women in NJ were "ravished" by Hessian soldiers in the Revolutionary War? Women are always getting raped through the wars.

Plus it's the MEN'S idea to have the damn wars! All of history is written about the men killing each other.

You know that men could go their entire lives without ever feeling the pain a woman might endure while giving birth? Especially a complicated birth with a heavy child and no painkillers. And women through history did that like multiple times and usually lost infants or their own lives in the process.

So please. The history if the world is written in WOMEN'S blood, too, or nobody would be here.

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posted April 04, 2013 11:40 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
faith,
again you missed my point!!!!!!!! I never denied women didnt have it hard, i was simply showing that both sexes had it hard. our culture narrative paints men as having it easy and women as having it hard, which isnt true.I guess that point is too advanced for you or anyone here to grasp. All I know is i'm sick of the feminist shaming tactics. anytime a guy brings up any mens issues he is reminded that women crap out babies and once in a blue moon a woman is raped or battered or murdered. but ya know what ? men get assaulted and murdered too. an estimated 200,0000 men get raped in prison or jail every year and thats just here in the u.s. And another thing... most men are sick and tired of hearing about rape and being made to feel guilty about it because the majority of us dont rape!!!!therefore we dont exactly jive with the total denial of our issues because someone got raped somewhere therefore our issues dont matter. Thats terrible , we alll know that but it doesnt change the fact that men experience sexism and bs too. And if you dont want to acknowledge that I dont care about anything you have to say.

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"women crap out babies"?

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but ya know what ? men get assaulted and murdered too. an estimated 200,0000 men get raped in prison or jail every year and thats just here in the u.s.

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Yes....by other men.

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And another thing... most men are sick and tired of hearing about rape and being made to feel guilty about it because the majority of us dont rape!!!

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Gee sorry.

I didnt miss the unedited version where you said something like "yeah, tons women have been raped before, so what? Doesnt make us all bad guys"

I don't believe any women or man here ever said that.

I noticed the way you wrote it before has been edited.....which is good.....i guess....because it was slightly disturbing.

As if all rapes since the beginning of time amount to one single rape and everyone should just get over it.

BTW many men are just as appalled at a woman being raped or brutally attacked in any kind of way as women are about it.

I'm just wondering if it would make you feel better if all women of the world came together and said...."Yes, we have been mistaken this whole time and really men have had it so much worse. They are really the victims in the grand scheme of things."

I mean.....the women here can sympathize with some of your views, but most of them are extremely harsh and sound like they are coming from someone who's spend many hours talking about this with other men who share the same views.

Do you want everyone to wake up and say that men are the "victims" and have had it far worse than women?

Most men do not see them self as victims. I'm not sure why you insist that men have had it so much worse. I mean....at this point, it's really besides the point. It seems only a small majority of men feel the way you do. The rest are quite proud and happy with where they are at.

posted April 04, 2013 11:44 PM            

You just seem so adamant and ****** off at how men are treated....as if they don't have a voice, or never have.... when they always have - it's been the loudest one.

The wisest of both sexes can usually take the time to pause and think for a moment and admit that they do not know it all, or when they might be wrong. Not to mention truly listen to what the other person (no matter the sex) is saying.

posted April 04, 2013 11:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
You're welcome T! I'm just getting started.

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posted April 04, 2013 11:49 PM            

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Originally posted by starfairy:
What you're talking about isn't gender oppression as much as ECONOMIC oppression. The more 'powerful' group always dominates and oppresses the 'weaker' one: men oppress women, rich oppress poor, etc..

The logic that only the man got the vote also came from the fact that men actually thought women were too stupid to vote. We were treated as a man's property, not as equal heads of household. We weren't recognized as valuable members of society.

The notion that the average man was 'privileged' refers to the fact that men had rights back then, while women did not. We were controlled by men in so many ways!! How long did we have to wait until we considered 'important' and 'smart' enough to deserve a right to vote?!

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posted April 04, 2013 11:50 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I'm ignorant? I keep coming with rational arguments and solid points and all I get in return are weak emotional arguments.You say I have no idea or appreciate what women go through or have gone through when I do. I just dont agree with the version of history that men had it easy and women had it rough , both genders had it rough but nobody wants to acknowledge that.

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If you actually think our statements are 'weak emotional arguments', and your comments are rational, you are sadly mistaken.

Yes, the poor men in history were oppressed by the rich men. Who is denying that? But that has more to do with economics than gender. The rich men oppressed both poor women and poor men, as well as rich women!! Why are you making this a gender issue?? Because men had to work in the fields and go to war? Who made those rules? MEN! Men wanted to go to war, men were in power and forced other men to go to war, etc.. Why are you making this a man/woman issue, then? Focus your frustration on those who deserve it.

And while all this was happening, women STILL did not have equal rights as men.

posted April 04, 2013 11:53 PM            

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Originally posted by starfairy:
If you actually think our statements are 'weak emotional arguments', and your comments are rational, you are sadly mistaken.

Yes, the poor men in history were oppressed by the rich men. Who is denying that? But that has more to do with economics than gender. The rich men oppressed both poor women and poor men, as well as rich women!! Why are you making this a gender issue?? Because men had to work in the fields and go to war? Who made those rules? MEN! Men wanted to go to war, men were in power and forced other men to go to war, etc.. Why are you making this a man/woman issue, then? Focus your frustration on those who deserve it.

And while all this was happening, women STILL did not have equal rights as men.

Anyway, I know all of this is falling on deaf ears. You're stubborn as a bull (Taurus moon) lol. I'm wasting my time talking to a brick wall.

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posted April 04, 2013 11:57 PM            

Disgusting. On the father and the other man's part. Though I still keep in mind that maybe it was another man that saved her from that fate. I have more faith in the opposite sex than that.

posted April 05, 2013 12:04 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
faith,
again you missed my point!!!!!!!! I never denied women didnt have it hard, i was simply showing that both sexes had it hard. our culture narrative paints men as having it easy and women as having it hard, which isnt true.I guess that point is too advanced for you or anyone here to grasp. All I know is i'm sick of the feminist shaming tactics. anytime a guy brings up any mens issues he is reminded that women crap out babies and once in a blue moon a woman is raped or battered or murdered. but ya know what ? men get assaulted and murdered too. an estimated 200,0000 men get raped in prison or jail every year and thats just here in the u.s. And another thing... most men are sick and tired of hearing about rape and being made to feel guilty about it because the majority of us dont rape!!!!therefore we dont exactly jive with the total denial of our issues because someone got raped somewhere therefore our issues dont matter. Thats terrible , we alll know that but it doesnt change the fact that men experience sexism and bs too. And if you dont want to acknowledge that I dont care about anything you have to say.

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Again, look at the Steubenville case. Look at how the media reacted. They gave all their support and condolences to the 2 male rapists, but no one said **** about the girl.

Meanwhile, on social media, there was an outpour of support for the 2 rapists, and the girl was called a **** , a ***** , she was 'asking for it,' etc.. Yes, most men don't rape, but the reaction of the media and all the young men AND women on facebook and twitter was revolting!!

Look at this. http://rantagainsttherandom.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/people-suck.png

^^^^ Look how all these young people reacted to the rape. It's awful and disturbing!!

200,000 men raped in jail? Yes, by other men, just as T said. Rape in men's jail and women's jail is unfortunately very common. who is saying that's not terrible?

HOwever, even the most hardcore feminist group would ever say those men 'deserve it', which is more than I can say about how hardcore men's group, society and the media portray the rape of a woman.