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teasel
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posted July 05, 2020 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nick Cordero died.
http://people.com/theater/nick-cordero-dead-coronavirus-complications/


Broadway Star Nick Cordero Dies at 41 After Over 90 Days in Hospital from Coronavirus Complications

Over the course of 13 weeks, the Tony Award-nominated star woke up from a medically-induced coma and underwent a leg amputation due to COVID-19 complications

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posted July 05, 2020 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
http://www.thenation.com/article/society/schuchat-truth-pandemic-coronavirus/

Clearing up my tabs, this one was supposed to be posted last week. Not that it matters. Nobody gives a crap.


No one gives a crap about the lies you post regularly.

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posted July 05, 2020 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why do you care more about the death of Nick Cordero than the other people who died as a result of medical malfeasance by Fauchi and the rest of the political loons who denied Hydroxy to American covid 19 patients?

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posted July 06, 2020 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The following is from Dr Rick Loftus, MD
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Posted 7/2/2020
Update about COVID-19

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I'm in a hotspot hospital in a hotspot region (Coachella Valley, Inland Empire, CA). We just converted the entire second floor of our hospital to COVID-19 care yesterday, July 1.

We have 65 inpatients with COVID-19 in a hospital with 368 beds. It is the same at our other 2 hospitals in the Valley.
We spent yesterday deciding the ethical way to divide up limited remdesivir (30 patients' worth) for the hospital patients.

My 20 incoming interns for our IM resident were exposed to COVID 2 weeks ago during their computer chart training; apparently 100% of our computer trainers had COVID19. One intern tested positive 7 days later and I insisted we re-test them all again, as there are almost certainly other cases with minimal symptoms.

I raided my household and took my entire supply of face shields to the hospital for the residents to wear on their first day, and I paid $1000 of my own money to equip all of my residents with medical-grade face shields. I require all residents to wear a surgical mask or N95 with face shield if they are within 6 feet of another human, patient or coworker.
Roughly 20% of our inpatients die. Only 30% of our ventilated patients survive. (We try to avoid ventilation at all costs. Some people insist on being full code and decompensate despite high flow with face mask, proning, dexamethasone, antibiotics, and a cocktail of famotidine, zinc, Vitamin D, Vitamin C, NAC, and melatonin--we throw everything we can at each case, so long as it won't hurt them.)

My administrative assistant, who sits adjacent to the interns, just went home with COVID symptoms. Her test is pending.
In the Southwest, we are experiencing catastrophic exponential growth. I have had multiple families--siblings, parent-child, spouses--admitted with COVID-19. I had a 31 year old come in satting 78% on room air; he had been sequestering himself in his bedroom for a week to avoid infecting his elderly parents, with whom he lived. His sister, the only person he saw outside his immediate household in the 10 days prior to onset of fever, cough, and dyspnea, had also had fevers but had tested "negative" at our other large hospital so he thought it was safe to visit her. (Sigh. The Quest PCR test is about 80% sensitive, we think--it had emergency approval, so sensitivity data was not required. The Cepheid rapid COVID PCR test is 98.5% sensitive but is in short supply due to limited reagent availability.)

I'm glad some of you are sheltered from what unbridled COVID-19 looks like. It's a hell show. This is *July*. What do you think my hospital will look like in winter?...

This is real. Doctors in places with proper public health responses will see few cases in their hospitals--like UCSF--but let me tell you something: The laws of physics and biology don't change. If you're in an unaffected region, an introduction and poor governance and low use of physical distancing and masks will give you an exponential increase in no time flat (i.e. 2-4 weeks). That's pandemic math. And 20% of the population infected needs a hospital. You *will* run out of beds with an unbridled pandemic. There is almost ZERO pre-existing immunity to SARS-CoV-2. There may be some "priming" of T-cell responses due to exposure to other "benign" beta-coronaviruses, but we have no idea if that explains the 20-40% of people who seem to get minimal symptoms. Asymptomatic infected persons, however, can, and do, spread COVID to those who die from it.

By the way: I've seen scary looking CT scans of the lungs that look like terrible interstitial pneumonia in a patient who had ZERO symptoms and SaO2 94% on room air. She came in for palpitations and the intern overnight got a chest CT for cardiac reasons. We didn't know it was COVID until her test came back 36 hours later. So "asymptomatic" does NOT mean "no biological activity." The virus replicates furiously in people who feel fine. Kids can spread this as easily as grown ups, even if they feel okay.

Related: I've talked to two previously healthy patients ages 32 and 44 who are 3 and 4 months, respectively, post their acute COVID. They continue to have cough, nightsweats, fever, fatigue. How many survivors have "post-COVID syndrome"? We don't know. Less than 20% but we're not sure. I've asked my hospital to allow me to establish a post-COVID clinic to care for and study survivors. Both NIH and UW are planning similar efforts based on my dialogues with them.

Autopsies show anoxic brain injury in many patients who died of COVID, not to mention microthrombi throughout the lungs and megakaryocytes in massive infiltrations in their hearts and other organs. People get heart failure, lung fibrosis, and permanent kidney injury from COVID-19. This is a disease of the vascular systems, and it can affect any organ, with lungs and kidneys being especially at risk.

In early May, thanks to lockdown, our census of 55 came down to 10 COVID cases, and for a brief moment, I actually had hope that the worst nightmares I had about COVID, as a biohazard virology-trained hospitalist, would not come to pass. Then we re-opened, without test/trace/isolate systems anywhere close to adequate. Eight weeks ago my county decided to make masks "optional," despite 125 doctors begging them not to do that. Now we're worse than we were in April. And it's getting worse every day.

You wanna see if COVID is real? Come walk on my COVID ward with me. It's real. Hearing people talk about it as if it's an exaggeration is, well, rage-inducing, honestly. Denial is the most common reaction to a pandemic. Denial is how the US will wind up with 1.1 million deaths instead of 30,000. I saw AIDS denialists get killed by their belief that HIV "isn't real, it's a pharma conspiracy of the medical industrial complex." Yeah, right, if you say so. I watched patients with those beliefs die.

The hardest part about this is, every new case I treat exposes me. I have assiduous hot zone technique. But no technique is bulletproof. If you keep exposing me to case after case, eventually, the virus will get through my defenses. I'm a 50 year old hypertensive. I don't expect to do well if I get infected. For now, I keep going to work. I'm one of the few pushing forward on COVID clinical trials, basic science, public health messaging, and diagnostic studies at my hospital. I feel a responsibility to keep going. I wake up with nightmares every morning at 4am. But I'm going to keep going for now. I feel very alone a lot of the time. People are not taking this seriously, and it's costing lives. -R


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posted July 06, 2020 11:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The fatality rate for people under 70 is .004 percent, which is less than the seasonal flu.

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posted July 07, 2020 12:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read it with interest. And this is what came to my mind.

I googled him, and this doctor is very prolific on social media. He has been taking time from his busy schedule to make numerous posts and he has been sounding alarms way back since early March.

One of his chief complaints in this posts is not enough Remdesivir: We spent yesterday deciding the ethical way to divide up limited remdesivir (30 patients' worth) for the hospital patients.
implying that they already ran out of meds and are agonizing over deciding who lives and who dies. Flashback to Italy, anyone?

Then the good doctor said:

Roughly 20% of our inpatients die. Only 30% of our ventilated patients survive. (We try to avoid ventilation at all costs. Some people insist on being full code and decompensate despite high flow with face mask, proning, dexamethasone, antibiotics, and a cocktail of famotidine, zinc, Vitamin D, Vitamin C, NAC, and melatonin--we throw everything we can at each case, so long as it won't hurt them.)

I find it ironic that the good doctor won't throw Hydroxychloriquine at the patients. There is a new study that suggests HCQ helpful for COVID

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-07-05/New-stud y-suggests-hydroxychloroquine-effective-in-treating-COVID-19-RSdSBSAlhK/index.html

But I suspect he doesn't want to use HCQ because, Trump.

That being said, I thank him for his service to the community.

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posted July 07, 2020 01:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Before anyone else brings up other diseases or health problems that can end up being deadly: when it came to cutting things like "Big gulps" out of convenience stores, people complained about their rights being violated there, too.

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posted July 07, 2020 02:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://twitter.com/JenKirkman/status/1280377463193784320

"My 82 yr old mom is more fun now than she was at my age. She’s funny, intellectual & progressing always. But I sense she’s depressed. She tells me she feels the elderly are thought of as disposable by society during Covid. I can’t blame her.

She feels younger people think someone her age is “done”. She sees folks not distancing, not masking & when she’s asked people to put their masks up - she’s been told off. She’s got my dad and my sister’s live close. I can’t visit as I’m across the country. So she’s ok. But...

She doesn’t get to see anyone en masse like I do on Twitter show support for things. I want her to know people care about the elderly and value them not as people on their way out but as people who still thrive. Drop a comment for her & other oldies Smiling face with smiling eyes (This is her last year)"

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posted July 07, 2020 02:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Quote Of Day: “White House Officials… Hope Americans Will Grow Numb To The Escalating Death Toll”
http://www.newsandguts.com/quote-of-day-white-house-officials-hope-americans-will-grow-numb-to-the-escalating-death-toll/
http://www.newsandguts.com/white-house-backs-trumps-harmless-claim-about-virus-cases-surge-in-dozens-of-states/

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posted July 07, 2020 09:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:

Before anyone else brings up other diseases or health problems that can end up being deadly: when it came to cutting things like "Big gulps" out of convenience stores, people complained about their rights being violated there, too.


Gaslighting. Nobody here is complaining about Big gulps. I don't even know what Big gulps is and I am not googling it.

But let's talk about your charming image.

You are free to hear whatever you want to hear. The facts do not change. Most people still don't die from Covid, just as most people don't die from the flu.

Some 80,000 people died of the flu last year, yet I don't remember seeing you on here telling the populace to stay home and wear masks due to the flu season. Were those thousands of death insignificant to you back then? Or do you only care about Covid deaths?

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posted July 07, 2020 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's because the media didn't tell her to be outraged about flu deaths...or black on black murders...or black children being killed by BLM members.

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posted July 07, 2020 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since Memorial Day, Wisconsin has added 13,615 cases.
http://www.facebook.com/DHSWI/posts/4635088623183508

Posted by a friend who works in the medical field there. It took them five months to reach around 15,000 cases. Only one month to reach 13,000 more.

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posted July 07, 2020 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course, because testing is so prevalent now. What did you expect? And occurring mostly n the younger crowd, it is, for the most part, relatively harmless.

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posted July 07, 2020 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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That's because the media didn't tell her to be outraged about flu deaths...or black on black murders...or black children being killed by BLM members.

Apparently when you are woke, you don't get outraged over those things.

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posted July 07, 2020 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The “woke” are only “outraged” if it hurts President Trump’s election chances.

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posted July 08, 2020 12:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://globalnews.ca/news/7147062/coronavirus-church-party-florida-teen-covid-19

Florida teen dies of COVID-19 after maskless church party, taking Trump-touted drugs

A Florida teenager who died of complications from COVID-19 attended a large church party without a mask just a few weeks earlier, then took unproven drugs touted by U.S. President Donald Trump before her parents brought her to a hospital, according to a newly-released medical examiner’s report.

Carsyn Leigh Davis, 17, died on June 23 after a lifetime of battling various medical challenges, including cancer and a rare autoimmune disorder that contributed to her death, according to the Miami-Dade County medical examiner’s report. The girl was the youngest person to die of the coronavirus in her county at the time, and her death triggered an outpouring of sympathy and prayers for her family.

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posted July 08, 2020 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/07/pandemic-experts-are-not-okay/613879/

“Pandemic experts are not okay”.

Here in Ohio, republicans have something like “don’t get tested” trending on twitter. I had two more small panic attacks between maybe 4 in the morning, and whenever the sun was up. I felt fine before I went to sleep, this sh1t is happening anyway. We had been doing okay, now we aren’t. It’s insane. What the hell happened to the GOP?

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Gottlieb also hailed New York’s increased testing in response to the virus, asserting “when the virus is under control, testing doesn’t uncover more cases. It’s a tool for keeping the epidemic at bay.”

Former advisors for trump: http://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/07/05/we-are-in-trouble-former-trump-advisors-raises-alarm-bells-about-covid-19-response/?utm_campaign=forbes&utm_source=facebook&ut m_medium=social&utm_term=Gordie%2F&fbclid=IwAR3dgZgbBD1y5nLETYPpGPDsOJ9BsxJNg_Hw-UHr0utUSKax_9w8at1PIrc#593dd1774356

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
is there any doubt at this point that this was all a scam?

The virus is real, but the way it's been exploited is a scam. No doubt, except to panicking alarmists who buy into the official and media misinformation campaign.

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http://twitter.com/FacesOfCOVID

Stories of those lost in the US to COVID-19 per news reports & obits. Each story matters. Compiled by
@alexjgoldstein & @ScottZoback

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BALICIO LOPEZ, 42, of Phoenix, Arizona, died of COVID-19 in June. A father of five, his wife said he was healthy and did not have any underlying health conditions.

"To just know that none of us could say goodbye was so painful," she said.
http://twitter.com/FacesOfCOVID/status/1280887777681424385

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Warning of serious brain disorders in people with mild coronavirus symptoms
UK neurologists publish details of mildly affected or recovering Covid-19 patients with serious or potentially fatal brain conditions
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/08/warning-of-serious-brain-disorders-in-people-with-mild-covid-symptoms

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Warning of serious brain disorders in people with mild coronavirus symptoms
UK neurologists publish details of mildly affected or recovering Covid-19 patients with serious or potentially fatal brain conditions
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/08/warning-of-seri ous-brain-disorders-in-people-with-mild-covid-symptoms

Fear porn.

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Originally posted by Dhyana:
The virus is real, but the way it's been exploited is a scam. No doubt, except to panicking alarmists who buy into the official and media misinformation campaign.

that is what i mean. flu season is real, but you do not lock down people because of it. and because all the data (mortality, testing, quality of test, symptoms that can include anything, etc) is questionable, how can we be sure that corona itself was ever the issue? sometimes even using data is misleading.. as the corruption of science has reached its limits during this "crisis"

i wonder if this virus is the same things that kills people in other places . because symptoms are so widely described that everything goes. what if corona is not at fault for any of the deaths, but something else? how can we prove it if dead bodies are incinerated? how can we be sure that whatever is going in some other countries is the same thing?

whether the virus is real or not becomes irrelevant if we cannot be sure about cause of mortality, which in turn is the driver of all the measures taken.

when we are left with no clear explanations, imagination grows wild and people start making theories about what is going on. i have my own theories, but how can i prove it?.. it would be helpful if people in this forum bring personal data here to discuss. own experience with friends family and acquaintances.

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Originally posted by teasel:
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/07/pandemic-experts-are-not-okay/613879/

“Pandemic experts are not okay”.

Here in Ohio, republicans have something like “don’t get tested” trending on twitter. I had two more small panic attacks between maybe 4 in the morning, and whenever the sun was up. I felt fine before I went to sleep, this sh1t is happening anyway. We had been doing okay, now we aren’t. It’s insane. What the hell happened to the GOP?


Sorry to hear you are having panic attacks. I would have them too if:

- I was busy buying hook and sinker into the lies that are constantly fed to us.
- I resolutely closed my eyes and ears to all evidence of the contrary.
- I spent my day scouring twitter and facebook for evidence of doom, police brutality, racism, new Covid cases, deaths by Covid etc...
- I spent my days glued to CNN and other medias who have seized on fear mongering as a way to stay in business.

That is why I strongly advise you to take a step back, and look at alternative viewpoints. For your own sake.

Be well, teasel!

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