posted June 26, 2020 10:43 AM            

Once in a while, the truth peeks in from under the fog of misinformation and lies. If 20+ millions of Americans are infected and with the official (inflated) count of 124,424 deaths, that puts the COVID-19 mortality rate at .6 Percent at the most.

Yes that is higher than the flu, but not surprising since we have rampant co-morbidity rates in our population.

But the question remains, should we continue lockdown for a mortality rate of .6 percent?

The point was NEVER to achieve ZERO death from coronavirus, but to flatten the curve to allow the hospitals to deal with the extra surge. Perhaps state and county officials should focus on keeping their hospitals ready instead of preventing normal life to return. Just my thoughts.

posted June 26, 2020 01:25 PM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
is there any doubt at this point that this was all a scam?

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How is it a scam? We still don't know how many people have died from it. Not officially.

posted June 26, 2020 02:09 PM            

"Texas Governor Says ‘Massive’ Virus Outbreak Sweeping the State

Texas is experiencing a “massive outbreak” as Covid-19 cases multiply, Governor Greg Abbott said on Wednesday as hospital systems in the state’s biggest cities strained to handle the influx of patients.

Texas posted its worst day so far for new cases, with a jump of 5,551 to 125,921, according to the state health department. The 4.6% one-day rise exceeded the 3.7% seven-day average. Hospitalizations climbed by 7.3% to 4,389.

“Our infrastructure is overwhelmed,” David Persse, Houston’s director of emergency medical services, said during a media briefing on Wednesday.

Earlier, Houston-area hospitals predicted they may exceed intensive-care capacity as soon as Thursday. Such an overflow will force hospitals to tap so-called surge capacity as patient numbers grow, according to Texas Medical Center data. At current rates of infection, sustainable surge capacity would be exhausted in another 10 days."

How is this a scam?

"“There is a massive outbreak of COVID-19 across the state of Texas,” Abbott, who was among the most aggressive governors on re-opening, said during an interview with KFDA TV.

“The numbers are moving in the wrong direction,” Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner said during a media briefing.

Houston police and fire departments will step up monitoring of taverns and clubs to ensure compliance with occupancy limits and mask requirements.

“We want to really crack down on people who are not adhering to the rules,” Turner said. “We want to create a board of shame for those who are violating the rules.”

posted June 26, 2020 03:07 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
How is it a scam? We still don't know how many people have died from it. Not officially.

Numbers are exploding again, not from increased testing, because it's spreading. The outcome couldn't be zero deaths, but the point is to keep as many people alive as possible. What's wrong with that?

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some arguments this is a scam
1. coding: many patients were coded as having the virus even without testing
1.1 for patients without comorbidities (as it is the case with many other viral infections) the threat is minimal because most of people do not need to get hospitalized.
2. cause of death. all patients testing positive or with symptoms of influence dying in hospitals were considered corona death regardless the comorbidities they had. i guess is ok to ask if you know the difference between "dying with the virus" and "dying because of corona virus"
3. in spite of the inflated death cases atributed to the virus, still the death rate is minimal to justify any lock-down
4. the same people representing the medical stablishment in US, UK and Germany were scaremonagering people with the swine flue and predicted million of deaths, which did not occur. so these people are the same (Fauci one of them) repleating the same song.

if these arguments do not convince you, i do not know what could.

just for the record: I am not republican, I do not live in US, I do not like Donald Trump. I do not believe in political parties.

So unlike you, I do not have any political bias toward this topic.

posted June 26, 2020 08:18 PM            

Ohio is now on the list for significant spikes. I'm not politically biased, I just like the idea of keeping people alive. I thought republicans were supposed to be pro-life. All lives matter, until it comes to the economy, and trump's campaign.

posted June 26, 2020 08:40 PM            

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The government will pay more to hospitals for COVID-19 cases in two senses: By paying an additional 20% on top of traditional Medicare rates for COVID-19 patients during the public health emergency, and by reimbursing hospitals for treating the uninsured patients with the disease (at that enhanced Medicare rate).

Both of those provisions stem from the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act, or CARES Act.

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posted June 27, 2020 01:58 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:

Ohio is now on the list for significant spikes. I'm not politically biased, I just like the idea of keeping people alive. I thought republicans were supposed to be pro-life. All lives matter, until it comes to the economy, and trump's campaign.

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posted June 27, 2020 02:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Nordicsoul, I want to add to the list that it is a FACT that US hospitals get paid more for coronavirus patients.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/hospital-payments-and-the-covid-19-death-count/
ETA: So in the presence of a financial incentive, anyone who wants to continue to believe that the coronavirus patients and death count is accurate, or gosh, under-reported is either deluded or acting in bad faith.

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posted June 27, 2020 05:40 PM            

Yesterday my 1st Cousin's Uncle died from COVID, age 79. Very healthy person, after fever broke, it was just 2 days till death. His wife is recovering in ICU with a Ventilator.

There were 12 deaths that day according to my cousin, mostly aged COVID patients. They made the other deaths from COVID-19 to look like something else so that public does not panic. And this is in Chennai, where overall death rate is still less due to much better diet etc.

Nothing is Fake about the Virus, the COVID-19 RNA Strain is real. It is Merciless to people above 65 and those with underlying conditions. To call it a scam or hoax is all fine for youngsters who may not be affected by it but it sure is real for all the 65+ who have like 25-30% plus mortality rate.

Governments could have handled it better by forcing all Older People to stay home for 3-4 months and then locking down international airports for 30 days from February.
The Truth about Vitamin C helping fight this could have been told but then Big Pharma wont let them.

About masks, My 70+ dad stays with me, so I wear a mask even though it is not mandatory. It is ultimately about our conscience.

Or maybe this is a bigger Karmic Test to see how much of the unaffected populace cares about the 1-2% who have no chance once they catch the Virus.

posted June 27, 2020 10:28 PM            

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I deleted my post yesterday out of fear that someone would try to find something wrong with the numbers I reposted and discredit my experience.

I wish I hadn't, because I had people tell me they didn't know it was that bad.
Sharing my experience opened someone's eyes.

Why is it that i can guess your political affiliation by how you react to mask wearing? This has become a political mess.
I beg you to reconsider.

There's a photo going around of hospital beds in the atrium of our third floor (where moms and babies are). It's not fake.

I'm tired of random people telling me I'm over-exaggerating our ICU numbers or how many COVID patients we are seeing. I'm tired of people not giving a crap because they personally don't know anyone who has tested positive, so therefore it's not a big deal.

Healthcare workers have been hung up to dry by our community, silenced by people who feel privileged enough to "exercise their rights" and go enjoy themselves at a bar bursting at the seams with like-minded people.

Negligent people who believe that since they found a few videos of doctors that held their beliefs, they would prove us wrong about wearing masks.

I wear a mask for 12 hours. So do my coworkers. We wear respirators that dig into our faces so hard we come home with bruising and sores.

You know what you anti-mask wearers don't see besides your own ignorance?
Overflowing ICUs.

People dying ALONE. And their spouse of 40 years says goodbye via Facetime.

People begging you not to let them die as they gasp for air.

Patients that come in stable one day and by your next shift they are dead.

Patients lying on their front side on a ventilator because proning is the only thing we can try.

One family member with their hands on the glass staring into their dad's room with desperation and tears. They can't go in. They have 15 minutes to look from outside.
Healthcare workers that go home at night and have nightmares. And panic attacks. And anxiety.

You cannot begin to comprehend the chaos that is ensuing at valley hospitals right now.

You know what you can do to help us? Wear a fuc*ing mask. Learn how to wear one properly. Don’t touch it. Don't go out to crowded places for extended periods of time. Be more careful.

You will not get hypoxic from wearing a surgical mask for an hour while you shop. You will not have high co2.

Is it that difficult? And maybe stop discrediting our experiences. The point of slowing the spread is so that our hospitals don't experience what we are experiencing NOW.

We have utterly failed, because people are more worried about proving that they don't have to wear a mask or stay home from the bar.

Stop choosing a side for one second and look at what's really happening. It's not lies. Get over yourself.

We don't care about being called heroes. We care about the lives of people.
**The overwhelming support has blown me away. To clarify, I am a respiratory therapist. Working hard with my fellow nurses to give our patients the best care. We don't want to see you here. Your support helps ease the anxiety of coming home from this nightmare to two kids under 2 years old. Thank you from the bottom of my heart**
http://www.facebook.com/amanda.petersen09/posts/10160022844759552

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posted June 28, 2020 06:20 AM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
Facts from Chennai:
My 2nd cousin's mentor caught COVID-19 ands died within 3 days, he was 68. He easily managed all the other flus before this.
His Brother in Law caught it during the funeral and died in a week. Age 66.
Another friend caught it but survived after treatment.

Yesterday my 1st Cousin's Uncle died from COVID, age 79. Very healthy person, after fever broke, it was just 2 days till death. His wife is recovering in ICU with a Ventilator.

There were 12 deaths that day according to my cousin, mostly aged COVID patients. They made the other deaths from COVID-19 to look like something else so that public does not panic. And this is in Chennai, where overall death rate is still less due to much better diet etc.

Nothing is Fake about the Virus, the COVID-19 RNA Strain is real. It is Merciless to people above 65 and those with underlying conditions. To call it a scam or hoax is all fine for youngsters who may not be affected by it but it sure is real for all the 65+ who have like 25-30% plus mortality rate.

Governments could have handled it better by forcing all Older People to stay home for 3-4 months and then locking down international airports for 30 days from February.
The Truth about Vitamin C helping fight this could have been told but then Big Pharma wont let them.

About masks, My 70+ dad stays with me, so I wear a mask even though it is not mandatory. It is ultimately about our conscience.

Or maybe this is a bigger Karmic Test to see how much of the unaffected populace cares about the 1-2% who have no chance once they catch the Virus.

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on the other hand. I think it is misleading to say that wearing mask is protecting life because there is no evidence that those masks protect life at all. specially the masks people are wearing everywhere, which are being used once and again.

another point is that SELFISH argument accusing people of not caring because they are not affected. That is cheap manipulation. I care for life, every life. But i do not see how locking down the entire population is saving lives. if there is a group at risk, isolate that group. period!

I know of an old man here where i live, he is 90 and he has neighbors in similar age group. he did not care to meet with friends (some of them has preconditions). so they are at risks, but you do not see them scared! why? their reasoning is "if i have 2 months of life left, i want to enjoy those two months instead of worrying about dying" and before the lock down, there is a coffee shop in my town where old people meet. that coffee shop was full of old folks. they were not scared. and now they are back again in the same caffee with no masks.

has anyone of these UNSELFISH humans who are defending the population at risk ever asked that population if they want that the rest of the population is being locked-down on their name? ask them, you will be surprised!!!

i am not going to question the cases you are bringing out. maybe there is a virus killing people in some places, is it corona? or there something else going on in some countries. IN Brazil seem to be that case, but there has been a lot of research of biotechnologies for warfare in Brazil. is that corona that is killing people in Brazil? or some virus escaped from facilities not qualified for that type of research? wonder is something similar happened in India or any other trigger.

we need to be careful about generalizing. not all virus-related deaths are corona and it may be something letal out there in some countries where some experiments with biotechnology has been done with low-grade security facilities. the prohibition of flights may have been the reason behind it. but i live in Europe and i do not know anybody who has died. even in Italy hospitals are empty now and that was confirmed by a doctors who managed 16 hospitals in italy (Dr. Zangrillo) the video is in Italian though
https://www.raiplay.it/video/2020/06/porta-a-porta---galli-e-zangrillo-confronto-sul-virus-clinicamente-scomparso-d0810ed2-6409-492c-943c-05a8a4463e3a.html

there is a narrative of SCARE TO DEATH people to advance agendas and it is clear to all with eyes all the agendas that has been advanced since the crisis started. one of them the transhumanism agenda..

https://www.corbettreport.com/looking-forward-to-the-end-of-humanity-propagandawatch/

assuming the people who died that you know if from corona, they are still within the statistcs (older than 60 years old).

I know only of one case of 60 who died in Spain. but he died after in ICU and having been administered cloriquin as experimental. it is to my knowledge that chloriquin should be used as profilaxis, not in advance stages, but we all know that there was an agenda to discredit cloriquin just to have only vaccine as the solution.

So far nobody has provided with evidence that people who died, died of the corona virus they talk of TV. is there something else killing people out there in India and Brazil? i do not know.

In Italy there was a SCAM with the data of deaths. 98% of deaths were with pre-conditions. and in Italy and Spain hospitals has problem with infections. so you go with an infections and it is in the hospital when you get some other infection that kills the person. maybe is the combination of both. in Germany there was no lock down only social distancing, but people went to parks and stroll around.. hospitals were empty...

posted June 28, 2020 06:51 AM            

IN Germany all MSM broadcasted the same story over and over. no political party took a stand different from the government. so those who did not buy into the scaremongering were named "conspiracy lunatics" and "right-wing extremists"

in Italy two congressmen spoke up about the measures (both politically independent, but once was originally from the left and the other from the right)... both did not have politically affiliation, which says a lot. The did not need to follow any party lines.

what is a SCAM for me is:

there is a situation (say a virus real or imagined) and you make it look as it is worst than it is, so you can advance an agenda that was already there. you just needed an excuse to advance that agenda.

lets do a mental exercise: how would have been our lifes if the MSM had not made 27/7 corona, and no lock-down had ever occur? how many people from any disease would have died? I suspect less than the number we have now.

posted June 28, 2020 07:48 AM            

The green party in Germany announced few days ago their new program. they were perceived as having only a green agenda and not having more to say on other topics, so now they are covering all the topics of the political agenda. what is interesting comes next

they are now OPEN TO GENETICALLY MODIFIED TECHNOLOGY. wait a second! how the green party, the one defending the dying bees, the ones fighting the mono-cultivation are all of a sudden open to GMOs? I thought green stand for Organic, or not? well, it seems not anymore. what they stand for is the CO2 / climate change arguments. The rest can go down the toilet.

people who believe in climate change thinks that those who do not do not care for the environment. That may applies to a number of climate change deniers, but this is WRONG. CO2 may be a problem (I am not sure about it because science is so corrupt and there are two scientific competing stories), but more realistic and credible is what is going on with the soil, water, and GMOs. so whoever comes to me with the CO2 argument and is happy with GMOs looks suspicious to me.

what is the point? that if you know what the climate change agenda is, then you know why the greens are for CO2 but why they are open to GMOs. so it was never about the environment!!!! they used people who are conscious about the environment (like me) to advance the CO2 agenda, but now they are showing their true colors.

that takes me to CORONA... there has been the same virus/infection threat (swine, ebola, zika, measles, etc) many times for the last 10 years. with VACCINATION being the solution. and did you noticed that the CO2 agenda was advanced during the coronakrisis?

so we have had during the last two decades three topics high on the agenda, which all take you to the same "coordinated" solutions:
1. terrorism
2. virus, bio warfare
3. CO2
4. Racism/diversity/immigration, etc

SOLUTIONS.
1. democracy rights are being denied one by one in the name of SECURITY (trading privacy and freedom for security)
1.2. state surveillance: corona App, cashless transactions, teleworking, and physical distance (so all communications are electronic and even grandpa get used to video calls with this grandsons.
2. fake food & GMOs. it is all about protecting the environment (right!), and in eating this fake meat, fake milk, fake everything you are protecting the environment. in the meantime the controllers make sure that the fake food has the necessary genes to modify the population and making it to their desire
3. Transhumanism: now that you are so scare of dying. that you feel disgusted about the body full of germs, what about offering you the eternal youth posibility? what about not having to deal with disgusting humans and being served by self-cleaning robots? dig yourself into that agenda
4. Cashless society: you control the money launder, the terrorist networks, avoid infecting people with dirty cash (right!) and spy on every single transaction of any human in earth (Brilliant!)
5. Vaccines.. link that to the trans humanism agenda
6. Robotization: link that to trans humanism agenda
7. genderless society. link to the transhumanism agenda
8. colorless society. link to the transhumanism agenda
9. universal income: after the robots take over and millions are jobless they will be supported by the state, but wait, that sounds good... hum... except when you know that you are slave, misbehave and your income is suppressed. this corona has caused small business to bankruptcy.. and tons unemployment all over the world. the controllers however are richer. so, many may end up depending of universal income. more than we can count.
10. social score system... china has already implemented and tested the system, but we already had that in place for implementation in the western world.. that goes along the universal income.

it that sounds too far-feching.. do your own research. go the "world economic forum" and see what topics are they discussing. then watch the news again with those agendas in mind.. and Voila!!!! things then start getting clear...

so, do not think corona is just a random event that pushed certain measures there. Those measures have been advanced with any new "crisis"... and corona just accelerated them...

and that is the reason i call it a SCAM

posted June 28, 2020 08:24 AM            

1. Italian ICU specialist leading 16 Hospitals in the Lombardy Region in Italy where the spread of the disease was higher. he says that there is no reason for lock down anymore... here the original video (in Italian sorry) but this is hard evidence.. he is not receiving more than 2 patients per week in any of the network of hospitals he is working with...in his own words "from a clinical perspective there is no virus" meaning the hospital is not receiving patients in ICU as a result of the virus

(Dr. Zangrillo)
https://www.raiplay.it/video/2020/06/porta-a-porta---galli-e-zangrillo-confronto-sul-virus-clinicamente-scomparso-d0810ed2-6409-492c-943c-05a8a4463e3a.html
this article discussed the most recent data... data, data, speaks louder. The is no reason to lock down.

2. this link is an article discussing all lock down measures and linking to evidence for each statement. key take aways:
- for the non sense of wearing masks
- for asymptomatic patients not spreading the disease
- for the low case fatality rate for population younger than 60 and for almost non-existent fatality rate for younger than 9
- for the unavailable evidence of this being an airborne disease..
- the lack of impact of the lock down in flatting the curve.

https://jbhandleyblog.com/home/lockdownlunacy

3. here is a video (interview in German, sorry). Here a retired microbiologist in German who dared to challenge the official narrative and criticized the measures. he published in Amazon his critics. the book is a best-seller as it is one the few braves experts who dares to speak up. he analized all the data and saw no reason for a lock-down, send a letter to Angela Merkel calling for an open discussion of specialists with dissenting views and nothing. the official narrative won.. but here is a video published by an Austrian TV channel.. apart from this interview, only alternative media were publishing his interviews, but none of the German TV MSM aired him at all.

here is the link to the book (in German)
https://www.amazon.de/Fehlalarm-Hintergr%C3%BCnde-Zwischen-Panikmache-Wissenschaft/dp/3990601911/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&qid=1593350074&refinements=p_27%3ASucharit+Bhakdi&s=books&sr=1- 1

here is the link to the video (in German)
https://www.servustv.com/videos/aa-23zjmvcz51w12/

posted June 28, 2020 12:57 PM            

I was so dumb not to understand what happened on Sept 11. I will not be dumb anymore.I will be the Raven with 3 eyes from the Game of throne