posted July 09, 2020 12:30 PM            

People have seemingly forgotten the shady past of Big pharma who unleashed on us the opioid crisis not long ago. This is all but forgotten now, as the populace is once again looking to Big Pharma as the cavalry coming to rescue them from Covid doom.

posted July 09, 2020 02:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Sorry to hear you are having panic attacks. I would have them too if:

- I was busy buying hook and sinker into the lies that are constantly fed to us.
- I resolutely closed my eyes and ears to all evidence of the contrary.
- I spent my day scouring twitter and facebook for evidence of doom, police brutality, racism, new Covid cases, deaths by Covid etc...
- I spent my days glued to CNN and other medias who have seized on fear mongering as a way to stay in business.

That is why I strongly advise you to take a step back, and look at alternative viewpoints. For your own sake.

Be well, teasel!

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Well said, Belage!

posted July 09, 2020 03:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
It's kind of sad to see how the organized fear mongering has worked so well, so that so many people are whipped in such frenzy that they will be ready to beg authorities to be injected with a hastily prepared vaccine, and will be clamoring for a law to force others to get vaccinated.

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I don't know if you saw this post from another thread, so I'll post it here. Dr. Fauci has ties to biotech companies making a vaccine. So, it's no surprise that he had negative things to say about hydroxychloroquine.

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As biopharma companies position themselves to reap blockbuster profits, the first off the block is a vaccine thrown together at record speed by Fauci’s NIAID in collaboration with Massachusetts-based biotech firm Moderna.

On March 16, NIAID launched a Phase 1 trial of mRNA-1273 in 45 healthy adults after making the decision—deemed “morally questionable” by some—to sidestep the standard process for vaccine development.

That process ordinarily requires “that a manufacturer show a product is safe [in animal models] before it goes into people.” Leading virologist Shibo Jiang, MD, PhD, recently condemned this “quick-fix” approach, arguing that “safety always comes first” and that it is important not to “cut corners” by skipping animal studies.

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Dr. Fauci’s History in Spending Billions of Government Funds on Vaccine Research with Little to Show for it

http://vaccineimpact.com/2020/dr-fauci s-history-in-spending-billions-of-government-funds-on-vaccine-research-with-little-to-show-for-it/

posted July 09, 2020 08:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Dhyana:
Dr. Fauci’s History in Spending Billions of Government Funds on Vaccine Research with Little to Show for it

http://vaccineimpact.com/2020/dr-fauci s-history-in-spending-billions-of-government-funds-on-vaccine-research-with-little-to-show-for-it/

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Oh yes, Fauci has tied to Big Pharmas. Fauci has an interesting past and most of the populace who looks up to him and hangs on to his every word like gospel is unaware of the finer details of his curriculum vitae. There is an eye opening article from Newsweek that came out on April 28 and practically went under the radar. I enjoin everyone before they turn over their health and lives to Fauci to read the article. I will reprint it in its entirety in the next post. Why is it important? Because it shows Fauci's involvement in risky scientific researches with Wuhan labs years before this Covid virus officially came along. He also conducted unethical experiments that caused a group of some 200 scientists to write a protest letter in 2011 about the ethics of such researches, and the Obama administration finally in 2014 pulled the plug on them.

posted July 09, 2020 08:28 PM            

Anthony Fauci is an adviser to President Donald Trump and something of an American folk hero for his steady, calm leadership during the pandemic crisis. At least one poll shows that Americans trust Fauci more than Trump on the coronavirus pandemic—and few scientists are portrayed on TV by Brad Pitt.

But just last year, the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, the organization led by Dr. Fauci, funded scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and other institutions for work on gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses.

In 2019, with the backing of NIAID, the National Institutes of Health committed $3.7 million over six years for research that included some gain-of-function work. The program followed another $3.7 million, 5-year project for collecting and studying bat coronaviruses, which ended in 2019, bringing the total to $7.4 million.

Many scientists have criticized gain of function research, which involves manipulating viruses in the lab to explore their potential for infecting humans, because it creates a risk of starting a pandemic from accidental release.

SARS-CoV-2 , the virus now causing a global pandemic, is believed to have originated in bats. U.S. intelligence, after originally asserting that the coronavirus had occurred naturally, conceded last month that the pandemic may have originated in a leak from the Wuhan lab. (At this point most scientists say it's possible—but not likely—that the pandemic virus was engineered or manipulated.)

Dr. Fauci did not respond to Newsweek's requests for comment. NIH responded with a statement that said in part: "Most emerging human viruses come from wildlife, and these represent a significant threat to public health and biosecurity in the US and globally, as demonstrated by the SARS epidemic of 2002-03, and the current COVID-19 pandemic.... scientific research indicates that there is no evidence that suggests the virus was created in a laboratory."

The NIH research consisted of two parts. The first part began in 2014 and involved surveillance of bat coronaviruses, and had a budget of $3.7 million. The program funded Shi Zheng-Li, a virologist at the Wuhan lab, and other researchers to investigate and catalogue bat coronaviruses in the wild. This part of the project was compA second phase of the project, beginning that year, included additional surveillance work but also gain-of-function research for the purpose of understanding how bat coronaviruses could mutate to attack humans. The project was run by EcoHealth Alliance, a non-profit research group, under the direction of President Peter Daszak, an expert on disease ecology. NIH canceled the project just this past Friday, April 24th, Politico reported. Daszak did not immediately respond to Newsweek requests for comment.

The project proposal states: "We will use S protein sequence data, infectious clone technology, in vitro and in vivo infection experiments and analysis of receptor binding to test the hypothesis that % divergence thresholds in S protein sequences predict spillover potential."

In layman's terms, "spillover potential" refers to the ability of a virus to jump from animals to humans, which requires that the virus be able to attach to receptors in the cells of humans. SARS-CoV-2, for instance, is adept at binding to the ACE2 receptor in human lungs and other organs.

According to Richard Ebright, an infectious disease expert at Rutgers University, the project description refers to experiments that would enhance the ability of bat coronavirus to infect human cells and laboratory animals using techniques of genetic engineering. In the wake of the pandemic, that is a noteworthy detail.

Ebright, along with many other scientists, has been a vocal opponent of gain-of-function research because of the risk it presents of creating a pandemic through accidental release from a lab.

Dr. Fauci is renowned for his work on the HIV/AIDS crisis in the 1990s. Born in Brooklyn, he graduated first in his class from Cornell University Medical College in 1966. As head of NIAID since 1984, he has served as an adviser to every U.S. president since Ronald Reagan.

A decade ago, during a controversy over gain-of-function research on bird-flu viruses, Dr. Fauci played an important role in promoting the work. He argued that the research was worth the risk it entailed because it enables scientists to make preparations, such as investigating possible anti-viral medications, that could be useful if and when a pandemic occurred.

The work in question was a type of gain-of-function research that involved taking wild viruses and passing them through live animals until they mutate into a form that could pose a pandemic threat. Scientists used it to take a virus that was poorly transmitted among humans and make it into one that was highly transmissible—a hallmark of a pandemic virus. This work was done by infecting a series of ferrets, allowing the virus to mutate until a ferret that hadn't been deliberately infected contracted the disease.

The work entailed risks that worried even seasoned researchers. More than 200 scientists called for the work to be halted. The problem, they said, is that it increased the likelihood that a pandemic would occur through a laboratory accident.

China Suggests U.S. Is 'Hiding Something' About Its Coronavirus ResponseREAD MORE
Dr. Fauci defended the work. "[D]etermining the molecular Achilles' heel of these viruses can allow scientists to identify novel antiviral drug targets that could be used to prevent infection in those at risk or to better treat those who become infected," wrote Fauci and two co-authors in the Washington Post on December 30, 2011. "Decades of experience tells us that disseminating information gained through biomedical research to legitimate scientists and health officials provides a critical foundation for generating appropriate countermeasures and, ultimately, protecting the public health."

Nevertheless, in 2014, under pressure from the Obama administration, the National of Institutes of Health instituted a moratorium on the work, suspending 21 studies.

Three years later, though—in December 2017—the NIH ended the moratorium and the second phase of the NIAID project, which included the gain-of-function research, began. The NIH established a framework for determining how the research would go forward: scientists have to get approval from a panel of experts, who would decide whether the risks were justified.

The reviews were indeed conducted—but in secret, for which the NIH has drawn criticism. In early 2019, after a reporter for Science magazine discovered that the NIH had approved two influenza research projects that used gain of function methods, scientists who oppose this kind of research excoriated the NIH in an editorial in the Washington Post.

"We have serious doubts about whether these experiments should be conducted at all," wrote Tom Inglesby of Johns Hopkins University and Marc Lipsitch of Harvard. "[W]ith deliberations kept behind closed doors, none of us will have the opportunity to understand how the government arrived at these decisions or to judge the rigor and integrity of that process."

Correction 5/5, 6:20 p.m.: The headline of this story has been corrected to reflect that the Wuhan lab received only a part of the millions of U.S. dollars allocated for virus research.

posted July 09, 2020 08:36 PM            

Guess who?

You will never guess...

posted July 09, 2020 08:40 PM            

The person in charge of the Bioethics department at NIH, is, and this was uncovered by the work of Amazing Polly, not NYT, not CNN, not Washington post, not any of the famed and celebrated investigative journalists:

Christine Grady, who just happens to be DR. FAUCI'S WIFE!

posted July 09, 2020 10:36 PM            

SARS-CoV-2 , the virus now causing a global pandemic, is believed to have originated in bats. U.S. intelligence, after originally asserting that the coronavirus had occurred naturally, conceded last month that the pandemic may have originated in a leak from the Wuhan lab. (At this point most scientists say it's possible—but not likely—that the pandemic virus was engineered or manipulated.)

But since the project involved a "gain of function" aspect, that means the virus was manipulated. Or, by "manipulated" do they mean in a sinister way. It's confusing.

Also, the question that came to mind as I was reading the article was why wasn't Fauci vetted before giving him this position? That's because he's been an advisor to every president since Reagan.

posted July 10, 2020 07:27 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Masks are now mandatory in my county, because of people calling this a fake disease, and a political conspiracy.

We were doing really well. Not anymore.

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Teasel, i hear your pain. i just invite you for a second to contemplate the possibility that this is a manipulation game to separate people. what if the virus is real, the thread is real, but the mask do not help? what if the virus is real, the thread is real, but still the infection gets transmitted even if people keep a longer distances than 1.5 meters?

we have been told many things, but the the science behind ALL the measures is so shaky, so corrupt, that it is hard to believe people who has conflict of interest.

but lets assume for a minute you are right, all the selfish people are making things worse. ok. lets assume that scenario. if you knew these are the last days you have? what would you do? how would you spend your time? whom you will say "i Love you"?

so lets assume the threat is real and the extreme right is making things worst. lets assume they are so stupid, they will never listen to your solid data. let us assume that no matter how much hard data you provide, they will not listen...

the result: fill in the blanks

so, how do you want to spend the days from now on, knowing that the right is not going to listen to the wisdom?

I hope you keep healthy and I advice you to
keep away from news for a week and do that regularly.. you will feel a difference (something i have done myself for the sake of sanity)

meet people who do not share your views, but talk about other topics that you enjoy such as astrology or whatever other hobby you may have.

you will start feeling better, i promise you.

today, i went hiking with a friend who thinks exactly like you about the crisis. we agreed to disagree and decided not to try to convince each other. we enjoyed our walk very much!!!

i believe there is a point in time in which we need to let go the need to convince someone who doesn't want to be convinced because his/her position is already taken.

i believe most in this thread has their positions taken (me included) most likely we are just sharing information for those who are in the middle. but for those who has already taken a stand it is useless.

so from now on. I have decided to let people know where i stand and if they WANT to hear why, then, here comes my data. if they do not want to hear, there is no point.

we need to learn to let go the need to convince other who do not want to be convinced.

posted July 10, 2020 07:47 AM            

in the same Fauci story.. here a pearl to connect dots... enjoy it!

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harvard-university-professor-indicted-false-statement-charges

Department of Justice
Office of Public Affairs
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Tuesday, June 9, 2020
Harvard University Professor Indicted on False Statement Charges
The former Chair of Harvard University’s Chemistry and Chemical Biology Department was indicted today on charges of making false statements to federal authorities regarding his participation in China’s Thousand Talents Program.

Dr. Charles Lieber, 61, has been indicted by a federal grand jury on two counts of making false statements and will be arraigned in federal court in Boston at a later date. Lieber was arrested on Jan. 28, 2020, and charged by criminal complaint.

According to charging documents, since 2008, Dr. Lieber has served as the Principal Investigator of the Lieber Research Group at Harvard University, specializing in the area of nanoscience. Lieber’s research at the Lieber Research Group has been funded by more than $15 million in research grants from the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and Department of Defense (DOD). Among other things, these grants required the disclosure of all sources of research support, potential financial conflicts of interest and all foreign collaboration.

It is alleged that, unbeknownst to Harvard University, beginning in 2011, Lieber became a “Strategic Scientist” at Wuhan University of Technology (WUT) in China. He later became contractual participant in China’s Thousand Talents Plan from at least 2012 through 2015. China’s Thousand Talents Plan is one of the most prominent Chinese talent recruitment plans designed to attract, recruit, and cultivate high-level scientific talent in furtherance of China’s scientific development, economic prosperity and national security. According to court documents, these talent recruitment plans seek to lure Chinese overseas talent and foreign experts to bring their knowledge and experience to China, and they often reward individuals for stealing proprietary information. Under the terms of Lieber’s three-year Thousand Talents contract, WUT allegedly paid Lieber a salary of up to $50,000 USD per month, living expenses of up to 1 million Chinese Yuan (approximately $158,000 USD at the time) and awarded him more than $1.5 million to establish a research lab at WUT. In return, Lieber was obligated to work for WUT “not less than nine months a year” by “declaring international cooperation projects, cultivating young teachers and Ph.D. students, organizing international conference[s], applying for patents and publishing articles in the name of [WUT].”

It is alleged that in 2018 and 2019, Lieber lied to federal authorities about his involvement in the Thousand Talents Plan and his affiliation with WUT. On or about April 24, 2018, during an interview with federal investigators, it is alleged that Lieber falsely stated that he was never asked to participate in the Thousand Talents Program, but that he “wasn’t sure” how China categorized him. In November 2018, NIH inquired of Harvard about whether Lieber had failed to disclose his then-suspected relationship with WUT and China’s Thousand Talents Plan. Lieber allegedly caused Harvard to falsely tell NIH that Lieber “had no formal association with WUT” after 2012, that “WUT continued to falsely exaggerate” his involvement with WUT in subsequent years, and that Lieber “is not and has never been a participant in” China’s Thousand Talents Plan.

The charge of making false statements provides for a sentence of up to five years in prison, three years of supervised release and a fine of $250,000. Sentences are imposed by a federal district court judge based upon the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and other statutory factors.

Assistant Attorney General for National Security John C. Demers; U.S. Attorney for the District of Massachusetts Andrew E. Lelling; Joseph R. Bonavolonta, Special Agent in Charge of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Boston Field Division; Leigh-Alistair Barzey, Special Agent in Charge of the Defense Criminal Investigative Service, Northeast Field Office; and Philip Coyne, Special Agent in Charge of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Office of Inspector General made this announcement. Assistant U.S. Attorneys Jason Casey and Benjamin Tolkoff of Lelling’s National Security Unit are prosecuting this case with the assistance of Trial Attorney David Aaron of the National Security Division’s Counterintelligence and Export Control Section.

posted July 10, 2020 12:38 PM            

Deaths are going up again, not just testing, and rump keeps insisting that we're fine. Can't take this #winning! anymore.

posted July 10, 2020 12:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Dhyana:
If I understand the article correctly, the research conducted at the Wuhan Lab included a "gain of function" component, which involves manipulating the virus in order to observe its capacity to mutate and infect humans. And yet, in response to Newsweek's inquiry the NIH stated:

SARS-CoV-2 , the virus now causing a global pandemic, is believed to have originated in bats. U.S. intelligence, after originally asserting that the coronavirus had occurred naturally, conceded last month that the pandemic may have originated in a leak from the Wuhan lab. ([b]At this point most scientists say it's possible—but not likely—that the pandemic virus was engineered or manipulated.)

But since the project involved a "gain of function" aspect, that means the virus was manipulated. Or, by "manipulated" do they mean in a sinister way. It's confusing.

Also, the question that came to mind as I was reading the article was why wasn't Fauci vetted before giving him this position? That's because he's been an advisor to every president since Reagan.

Given his performance in this pandemic and his conflict of interest, he should be fired. But, can you imagine the firestorm that would result? [/B]

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Vetting does not happen anymore. It would entail we have an impartial group of people doing their vetting job, and an impartial media doing its own vetting, but these have been lost in the current climate.

posted July 10, 2020 01:03 PM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
Dyhana & Belage,

in the same Fauci story.. here a pearl to connect dots... enjoy it!

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harvard-university-professor-indicted-false-statement-charges

Department of Justice
Office of Public Affairs
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Tuesday, June 9, 2020
Harvard University Professor Indicted on False Statement Charges
The former Chair of Harvard University’s Chemistry and Chemical Biology Department was indicted today on charges of making false statements to federal authorities regarding his participation in China’s Thousand Talents Program.

Dr. Charles Lieber, 61, has been indicted by a federal grand jury on two counts of making false statements and will be arraigned in federal court in Boston at a later date. Lieber was arrested on Jan. 28, 2020, and charged by criminal complaint.

According to charging documents, since 2008, Dr. Lieber has served as the Principal Investigator of the Lieber Research Group at Harvard University, specializing in the area of nanoscience. Lieber’s research at the Lieber Research Group has been funded by more than $15 million in research grants from the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and Department of Defense (DOD). Among other things, these grants required the disclosure of all sources of research support, potential financial conflicts of interest and all foreign collaboration.

It is alleged that, unbeknownst to Harvard University, beginning in 2011, Lieber became a “Strategic Scientist” at Wuhan University of Technology (WUT) in China. He later became contractual participant in China’s Thousand Talents Plan from at least 2012 through 2015. China’s Thousand Talents Plan is one of the most prominent Chinese talent recruitment plans designed to attract, recruit, and cultivate high-level scientific talent in furtherance of China’s scientific development, economic prosperity and national security. According to court documents, these talent recruitment plans seek to lure Chinese overseas talent and foreign experts to bring their knowledge and experience to China, and they often reward individuals for stealing proprietary information. Under the terms of Lieber’s three-year Thousand Talents contract, WUT allegedly paid Lieber a salary of up to $50,000 USD per month, living expenses of up to 1 million Chinese Yuan (approximately $158,000 USD at the time) and awarded him more than $1.5 million to establish a research lab at WUT. In return, Lieber was obligated to work for WUT “not less than nine months a year” by “declaring international cooperation projects, cultivating young teachers and Ph.D. students, organizing international conference[s], applying for patents and publishing articles in the name of [WUT].”

It is alleged that in 2018 and 2019, Lieber lied to federal authorities about his involvement in the Thousand Talents Plan and his affiliation with WUT. On or about April 24, 2018, during an interview with federal investigators, it is alleged that Lieber falsely stated that he was never asked to participate in the Thousand Talents Program, but that he “wasn’t sure” how China categorized him. In November 2018, NIH inquired of Harvard about whether Lieber had failed to disclose his then-suspected relationship with WUT and China’s Thousand Talents Plan. Lieber allegedly caused Harvard to falsely tell NIH that Lieber “had no formal association with WUT” after 2012, that “WUT continued to falsely exaggerate” his involvement with WUT in subsequent years, and that Lieber “is not and has never been a participant in” China’s Thousand Talents Plan.

The charge of making false statements provides for a sentence of up to five years in prison, three years of supervised release and a fine of $250,000. Sentences are imposed by a federal district court judge based upon the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and other statutory factors.

Assistant Attorney General for National Security John C. Demers; U.S. Attorney for the District of Massachusetts Andrew E. Lelling; Joseph R. Bonavolonta, Special Agent in Charge of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Boston Field Division; Leigh-Alistair Barzey, Special Agent in Charge of the Defense Criminal Investigative Service, Northeast Field Office; and Philip Coyne, Special Agent in Charge of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Office of Inspector General made this announcement. Assistant U.S. Attorneys Jason Casey and Benjamin Tolkoff of Lelling’s National Security Unit are prosecuting this case with the assistance of Trial Attorney David Aaron of the National Security Division’s Counterintelligence and Export Control Section.

The details contained in the charging documents are allegations. The defendant is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.

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posted July 10, 2020 01:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I bet you didn't guess.

The person in charge of the Bioethics department at NIH, is, and this was uncovered by the work of Amazing Polly, not NYT, not CNN, not Washington post, not any of the famed and celebrated investigative journalists:

Christine Grady, who just happens to be [b] DR. FAUCI'S WIFE!

https://youtu.be/jkYen0g4TRU?t=1 [/B]

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posted July 10, 2020 10:24 PM            

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Even NPR which is supposed to provide alternative news is now only giving left approved news, which are undistinguishable from mainstream media.

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posted July 10, 2020 11:38 PM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
that video has other pearls.. interesting!

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Very interesting. From the video:

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Dr. Fauci is optimistic that a useful HIV vaccine can be developed, despite economic, ethical, and cultural constraints.

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How convenient that wife, Christine Grady, is the head of bioethics and human subject research at the NIH. That could take care of "ethical constraints."

With the current development of a Covid19 vaccine at record speed, the temptation to override ethical concerns is in play again. The biotech company that is working with Dr. Fauci to develop a vaccine is a case in point.

Bill Gates talking about vaccinating every person on the planet is chilling.

posted July 11, 2020 12:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Vetting does not happen anymore. It would entail we have an impartial group of people doing their vetting job...

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posted July 11, 2020 03:09 PM            

Guy in Ohio, scoffed, and now he’s dead, thanks to covid.

posted July 11, 2020 03:28 PM            

'I thought this was a hoax': Patient in 30s dies after attending 'COVID party'

posted July 11, 2020 07:05 PM            

He finally wore a mask. Does it make him weak and afraid, or respectful of others?

posted July 11, 2020 10:58 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
http://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/i-thought-this-was- a-hoax-patient-in-their-30s-dies-after-attending-covid-party

'I thought this was a hoax': Patient in 30s dies after attending 'COVID party'

This is really sad. Just like the guy I mentioned above. Yet some of you here laugh, and act like it’s a joke.

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People are terrified of even being diagnosed with Covid, and I know the youth can be stupid, but I have a very hard time believing people are having Covid parties to see if the virus is catchable. I just don't buy it.

In order for me to believe this, I will need to see a video of the actual patient saying he went to a Covid party to see if he was going to catch Covid, and making this statement on his deathbed. In these days where EVERYTHING is captured on cellphone, hearsay doesn't cut it for me.

posted July 11, 2020 11:45 PM            

People videotape everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, the good, the bad, and the ugly! Yet, I have yet to come across the videos of those popular Covid parties. What? none of the partygoers have cell phones?