posted July 12, 2020 12:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Also if there are so many Covid parties going around where people are getting together to see if they can catch Covid, where are the videos of those parties?

People videotape everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, the good, the bad, and the ugly! Yet, I have yet to come across the videos of those popular Covid parties. What? none of the partygoers have cell phones?

Videos! or it didn't happen!

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posted July 12, 2020 08:46 AM            

https://www.newsweek.com/florida-county-commissioner-who-voted-against-masks-hospital-covid-1517121

In that article:

posted July 12, 2020 11:24 AM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
Why would anyone jump to the conclusion that someone became infected with covid 19...BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T WEARING A MASK?

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posted July 12, 2020 11:27 AM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
Is this true?

https://www.newsweek.com/florida-county-commissioner-who-voted-against-masks-hospital-covid-1517121

In that article:

"Paul Waldron—the commissioner for St. Johns County just south of Jacksonville, Florida—has tested positive for COVID-19 and is currently in the hospital in critical condition. Last week, Waldron voted against a countywide order requiring all residents to wear face masks as a way to prevent Coronavirus infections."

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The title of the article was clickbait, because the body of the article states the following:

According to News 4 Jax, Waldron wasn't "necessarily opposed" to the face mask requirement, but wanted county administrators to clarify the types of masks required and whether the county could provide sufficient supplies for employees and citizens entering government buildings.

Those are good questions, because if you think wearing a bandana or a scarf or some of those cloth homemade masks that most people don't change or wash as often as they should -let's be honest about that- is going to protect anyone...

posted July 12, 2020 02:19 PM            

I gather the news is true then. The next doubt I had is whether the latest "Fake News" has merit, that 15000+ new cases in one day in Florida.

One more observation, from social media. Some people do not know anyone who had COVID-19, they became easy prey for Russian QAnon Bots who initially claimed that there was no Virus at all, that it was all a Hoax, and later said it was just a simple flu. This Ignorance gets amplified until real world facts are provided.

Example from Twitter:
Lisa@GossipyDecor8or
<<This is NOT a political question. I talk to people all week long from different areas in the US and not one person out of hundreds has or knows anyone who has gotten Covid. Do you know anyone? I am wearing a mask and following all the rules. Just curious is all.
8:03 PM · Jul 12, 2020·>>
Replies:
1. Three dead in-laws from Texas.

2. I personally know a few people. Everyone has recovered, but they said it was the worse thing ever & no one is back to 100%. I know several people who have had friends or family members die.

3.
Yes. I've personally known 6. 1 died, 2 have ongoing serious health issues. 1 hardly had any symptoms, like allergies. Other 2 recovered after about 3 weeks of fever, fatigue, difficulty breathing, and sore throats.

4. My Brother, He died. My 80yr old dad, Who's dying. Both my neighbors, son and Father.

5. A childhood friend died, 5 friends have lost parents, two of them younger; 1 friend recovering after being sick for many weeks, 3 friends currently sick with covid. I live in Covid capital of the world, Arizona

And many, many, many more replies. Some were angry at Lisa, asking whether she is living in a bubble. It is not her fault, in fact she should be praised for asking honestly and clearing the doubts of other sheeple who keep saying this is Fake or it is just a "liddle" Flu.

This was a Bio Weapon which by some Divine Providence weakened to this level of killing less than 5%.

If any Political Leaders are still downplaying this, then they must belong to some Death Cult. The Survivors and those who recovered, they are not out of the woods, the Virus will re-Start in Winter. They must keep boosting Immunity, and keep up holistic healing for months and months to come.

posted July 12, 2020 03:09 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
Someone became infected because, quoting Trump, some "Son of a B*tch" COVID-19 carrier chose not to wear a mask.

I gather the news is true then.

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A lot of things are attributed to President Trump saying things by the media. Do you have a link to the full quote? I searched, but nothing came up.

posted July 12, 2020 03:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Dhyana:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by iQ:
[b]Someone became infected because, quoting Trump, some "Son of a B*tch" COVID-19 carrier chose not to wear a mask.

I gather the news is true then.

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A lot of things are attributed to President Trump saying things by the media. Do you have a link to the full quote? I searched, but nothing came up.

[/B][/QUOTE]

"Trump, some "Son of a B*tch" COVID-19 carrier chose not to wear a mask."

Sounds like a lie to me too Dhyana. The press would have been all over a statement like that from President Trump. The entire..(alleged) news team would have had a severe case of vapors if Trump said that.

posted July 12, 2020 03:36 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:

One more observation, from social media. Some people do not know anyone who had COVID-19, they became easy prey for Russian QAnon Bots who initially claimed that there was no Virus at all, that it was all a Hoax, and later said it was just a simple flu. This Ignorance gets amplified until real world facts are provided.

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This looks more like an opinion and drawing conclusions about "Russian Qanon Bots," whatever that means. No one on this forum has said or is saying that the virus is a hoax. On the contrary, various people have stated that the virus is real. And yet, the accusation is repeated ad nauseum. No one is denying that people have died. What is being questioned are the numbers and the coverage by the media.

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... "ignorance gets amplified until real world facts are provided.

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From what I've observed just here on this forum, when we humans are gripped by the primal fear for our very survival, such as in this Saturn-Pluto cycle, it diminishes our ability to see and think clearly; facts have no effect or are ignored. By the way, the experts and authority figures are giving us mixed messages, so I consider it healthy to question everything being presented to us as facts, especially by the media in the U.S.

My definition of "sheeple" is a person who takes as fact the word of experts and authority figures without question.

posted July 12, 2020 06:47 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
<< Why would anyone jump to the conclusion that someone became infected with covid 19...BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T WEARING A MASK? >>
Someone became infected because, quoting Trump, some "Son of a B*tch" COVID-19 carrier chose not to wear a mask.

I gather the news is true then. The next doubt I had is whether the latest "Fake News" has merit, that 15000+ new cases in one day in Florida.

One more observation, from social media. Some people do not know anyone who had COVID-19, they became easy prey for Russian QAnon Bots who initially claimed that there was no Virus at all, that it was all a Hoax, and later said it was just a simple flu. This Ignorance gets amplified until real world facts are provided.

Example from Twitter:
Lisa@GossipyDecor8or
<<This is NOT a political question. I talk to people all week long from different areas in the US and not one person out of hundreds has or knows anyone who has gotten Covid. Do you know anyone? I am wearing a mask and following all the rules. Just curious is all.
8:03 PM · Jul 12, 2020·>>
Replies:
1. Three dead in-laws from Texas.

2. I personally know a few people. Everyone has recovered, but they said it was the worse thing ever & no one is back to 100%. I know several people who have had friends or family members die.

3.
Yes. I've personally known 6. 1 died, 2 have ongoing serious health issues. 1 hardly had any symptoms, like allergies. Other 2 recovered after about 3 weeks of fever, fatigue, difficulty breathing, and sore throats.

4. My Brother, He died. My 80yr old dad, Who's dying. Both my neighbors, son and Father.

5. A childhood friend died, 5 friends have lost parents, two of them younger; 1 friend recovering after being sick for many weeks, 3 friends currently sick with covid. I live in Covid capital of the world, Arizona

And many, many, many more replies. Some were angry at Lisa, asking whether she is living in a bubble. It is not her fault, in fact she should be praised for asking honestly and clearing the doubts of other sheeple who keep saying this is Fake or it is just a "liddle" Flu.

This was a Bio Weapon which by some Divine Providence weakened to this level of killing less than 5%.

If any Political Leaders are still downplaying this, then they must belong to some Death Cult. The Survivors and those who recovered, they are not out of the woods, the Virus will re-Start in Winter. They must keep boosting Immunity, and keep up holistic healing for months and months to come.

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I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt. I have been considering the option that this is a bioweapon of some sort. until now i thought of the virus as a normal flu, but i have interviews aquantainces of mine and have gotten some real stories. however, from my own small sample, symtoms and contagioness are not the same accross people.
a friend in the US referred two cases: one in new york and one in Texas. in both cases (without testing, and in december) symtoms were feber, fatigue, coughing that last until now, but curiously nobody else in their families or coworkers got infected or had symptoms even if they were exposed because the person did not suspected corona was not yet in the news.

cases in Switzerland were very contagious unlike the ones in US.

i wonder if people testing for corona were normal flu patients and what really is killing people is some type of chemtrail that is dropped here and there to scare people.

I am making things up because i do not trust ANY official source. i do not trust the data provided. so, call me sheeple, but until i get data from credible sources (people i know) it is hard for me to accept the official narrative that i have heard in Europe and the rest of the world.

i heard your painful experience with your relatives and i have no reason to doubt your story, but we are all facing competing narratives with hidden agendas. even for "non sheeple" it is difficult to get things sorted out.

posted July 12, 2020 06:53 PM            

An article put out by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons and
curated by Marilyn M. Singleton, M.D., J.D.

The data contributors include:

Chinese study with data taken from swabs on surfaces around the hospital

University of Illinois at Chicago review

A study of four patients in South Korea

Singapore Study - Few people used mask correctly

A 2011 randomized Australian clinical trial of standard medical/surgical masks

Conclusions from Organizations

The World Health Organization (WHO):

Advice to decision makers on the use of masks for healthy people in community settings

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As described above, the wide use of masks by healthy people in the community setting is not supported by current evidence and carries uncertainties and critical risks.

"Medical masks should be reserved for health care workers. The use of medical masks in the community may create a false sense of security, with neglect of other essential measures, such as hand hygiene practices and physical distancing, and may lead to touching the face under the masks and under the eyes, result in unnecessary costs, and take masks away from those in health care who need them most, especially when masks are in short supply.

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Masks are effective only when used in combination with frequent hand-cleaning with alcohol-based hand rub or soap and water.

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Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the Center for the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases:

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We don't routinely recommend the use of face masks by the pubic to prevent respiratory illness...And we certainly are not recommending that at this time for this new virus.

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From the New England Journal of Medicine

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We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes). The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic.

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Conclusions from a University of Illinois at Chicago review:

Wearing masks will not reduce SARS-COV-2.

N95 masks protect health care workers, but are not recommended for source control transmission.

Surgical masks are better than cloth but not very efficient at preventing emissions from infected patients.

Cloth masks will be ineffective at preventing SARS-CoV-2 transmission, whether worn as source control or as personal protective equipment (PPE).

posted July 12, 2020 07:11 PM            

I AND MANY OTHERS have said all we could say and provided legitimate numbers, figures, data, graphs and raised legitimate questions that the opposite side had not even bothered answering.

Summer is here. Whoooheee!!! I am taking a break from this forum to actually enjoy life, be in nature and smell fresh air and oxygen as much as I can.

I wish everyone well.

posted July 13, 2020 05:58 AM            

I am also taking a break and wish you all a nice summer.

to all: enjoy the present with the people you love, be human, look at people eyes and smile at them. bring a little bit of joy to any person willing to receive it

posted July 13, 2020 12:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
I know that in Texas, the numbers are inflated. They are counting antibody tests in total case count, they are including presumptive positives in the total case count, and they are also including trace contacts in the total case count (without even testing, ie - someone tests positive, and all five members of their household are added).

At this point, people trust Trump more than the media. This has been shown in recent polls. With the flip flop data and information, the blatant hypocrisy with regards to lockdown measures and exceptions given to rioters, the lying media showing undisguised bias and framing, coupled with real-world hardships felt by those suffering job loss and financial woe, people are angry and fed up as a whole.

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posted July 13, 2020 12:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
I know that in Texas, the numbers are inflated. They are counting antibody tests in total case count, they are including presumptive positives in the total case count, and they are also including trace contacts in the total case count (without even testing, ie - someone tests positive, and all five members of their household are added).

At this point, people trust Trump more than the media. This has been shown in recent polls. With the flip flop data and information, the blatant hypocrisy with regards to lockdown measures and exceptions given to rioters, the lying media showing undisguised bias and framing, coupled with real-world hardships felt by those suffering job loss and financial woe, people are angry and fed up as a whole.

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posted July 13, 2020 12:34 PM            

See you and nordicsoul back here on September 1st..the end of summer.

posted July 13, 2020 04:44 PM            

A friend has told me that I do a “good job” in here. Whenever they say that, I wonder wtf I’m doing here, because I’m not getting paid to deal with science deniers. It was bad enough when the posts were about things like abortion. The denial over this, because you don’t like “libs” is scary sh1t. Do I need to decide that people crowding together, swapping germs, and attacking the poor people in stores who need to enforce a mask rule, is all wonderful, for you to change your mind, and do the right thing?

posted July 14, 2020 02:50 PM            

July 14, 2020
COVID spikes might be the result of bad tests
Anthony J. Ciani

As soon as Republican-controlled states reopened, Fake News was reporting new infection spikes, while the numbers of new COVID-19 cases were dropping.

Three weeks later, as if answering the prayers of the anti-Trump talking heads, 2019-nCoV positive rates began to increase. Every state in the Union showed the same pattern, a diminishing epidemic that got a second wind, shutdown or not. But while new cases increase, deaths continue to decline. How can this be?

Epidemics follow a common pattern. They initially spread exponentially. The “WuFlu” showed a doubling in cases every 2.4 days. Genetic analysis and case history in China suggests that 2019-nCoV began in late October, so by the time it was hospitalizing elderly patients in early December, there would have been tens of thousands of infections. By the time the Chinese figured out what was going on in mid-January, there would have been 14 billion infections.

Well, there aren’t that many people in the world. Epidemics do not grow exponentially forever. As people recover from infections and become temporarily immune, the numbers of people that can catch or spread the virus diminish. The rate of new infections bends down into a “bell curve” or Gaussian. After peaking, the number of new infections exponentially diminishes. The longevity of a respiratory virus epidemic is about 120 days; they vanish almost as fast as they come.

For 2019-nCoV, we completely missed the rise. PCR testing from the USS Theodore Roosevelt showed positive for 1100 of the 4850 person crew, with 60% of those testing positive showing no symptoms. Antigen testing later showed that 60% of the crew, 2900 sailors may have been infected. That means 2019-nCoV produces no symptoms in 78% of infected people. Of the likely 2900 infections, only 9 (0.3%) were bad enough for hospitalization, and only 1 (0.03%) died. With 44,000 active cases in China by early December and only 130 hospitalizations, no wonder 2019-nCoV went by largely unnoticed. The “WuFlu” likely came to American shores in early January, and was probably around 33 million cases by March 1st. Even with that number of infected, there would have only been around 100,000 hospitalizations and 10,000 deaths. But “WuFlu” would have already been into the “bell” after infecting 10% of the country, and was likely already tailing off when the shutdowns began in mid-March.

Completely missing the rise, we completely missed the peak. Testing was far exceeded the day it began, and 2019-nCoV daily infections have been a reflection of the number of tests administered, until mid-May.

We observed the tail. Despite expanded testing, daily new cases dropped from mid-May, in every state, irrespective of shutdown or full open. Shutdowns had no effect on influenza, and assuming that 2019-nCoV spreads in a similar manner, likely had no effect on the “WuFlu”. Testing was observing a clear tail-off to 2019-nCoV, even after states reopened.

Until mid-June, when irrespective of partial shutdown or full open, every state began observing an increase in daily cases. But while cases increased, deaths continued to show the exponential tail of a vanishing epidemic.

Anecdote time.

There was a post on a closed FaceBook group from a nurse who claimed that her hospital tested the COVID test kits by returning opened, but unused swabs. Of the ten returned, all ten tested positive.

There was another post by a man who claimed that he received a mail-order test kit. While preparing to use the kit, he got distracted. When he returned, his worried wife had already hurriedly packed it up and the postman had already picked it up. The unused test came back positive.

An acquaintance related that a cousin visited a mobile testing center. The test returned positive, but the cousin never had a single symptom. No one in the cousin’s household developed any symptoms or ever tested positive. They only used the government-sponsored test because of curiosity, and are waiting on a chance to retest. Mum’s the word.

In early June, attempting to address demands for expanded testing, the FDA approved antigen and antibody tests for 2019-nCoV, and the Chinese flooded the U.S. with garbage test kits within a couple weeks. The Chinese had already had several test kit scandals, but states and municipalities, panicked for testing, bought them anyway. All but one of the dozen brands of the defective tests tested by U.C. Berkeley showed high false positive rates, and high false negative rates.

In a waning epidemic, false negatives aren’t a problem, but false positives can lead to the appearance of a flare-up, followed by foolhardy public policies, such as shutdown.

It is highly likely that the Chinese sold as “new” the test kits that were rejected in the rest of the world, possibly rebranded. It is a common sales practice of the Chinese to sell brand name rejects as unbranded or off-name items on Alibaba.....

...The post-epidemic flare-up of 2019-nCoV cases with declining deaths is unprecedented and unexpected. The most reasonable explanation is defective testing. The lesson: China is garbage. Junk medicine and junk science made a mundane cold look like a weaponized super bug. Worse, that junk medicine has infiltrated our most esteemed institutions to twist and corrupt the minds of our experts, who now promote socialist agendas based on junk science. Every dollar Americans have spent on Chinese garbage over the last two decades has been used to purchase and corrupt iconic, formerly American corporations that now care more about social change and protecting China than turning a profit.

Given that 2019-nCoV cannot even cause a sniffle in 78% of those it infects, the numbers of COVID-19 deaths must be bogus too. Could free money for COVID deaths have encourage nursing homes and hospitals to lie?