posted April 15, 2018 02:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Mkya00:

As for my own Lucifer, it has more than one aspect.

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posted April 15, 2018 02:21 PM            

http://www.astro.com/info/tma_article150407_e.htm

Here's some of the quote:
Mary the Light-Bringer
The explicit links between Mary Magdalene and Venus perhaps point to Mary's true identity. In the south of France, where Mary Magdalene landed and established her ministry after the crucifixion, she was known as "Mary Lucifera" or "Mary the Light-bringer." 9 Lucifer is now popularly associated with the devil, conflated with the figure of Satan, but to the ancient Romans, Lucifer (Latin for "light-bringer") referred to the Morning Star, aka Venus. Picknett explains: "This was a time-honored tradition: pagan goddesses were known, for example, as 'Diana Lucifera' or 'Isis Lucifer' to signify their power to illumine mind and soul … to open up both body and psyche to the Holy Light."

I'm sorry if it is hard to believe that Lucifer is associated with both Venus and the representation of the Sacred Feminine. However, I'm not the only one that holds this view. If you care to read the link you will find that the Knights Templar and Freemasons follow this belief as well.

posted April 15, 2018 02:23 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
So the answer would be no?

It is mighty peculiar you are trying to associate gender discrimination with Lucifer. It makes me wonder if you are prejudice against women.

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Reading is fundamental - I'm associating the Sacred Feminine with Lucifer.

posted April 15, 2018 02:24 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
Lucifer's Lucifer and Lucifer's Nessus are parallel while Lucifer's Lilith and Lucifer's Dejanira are parallel.

It wouldn't surprise me if Lucifer's Sun's longitude is really 6° 6' 6" instead of 6° 7' 5". Interestingly, the declination is 13°33'49" S so I could expect it could really be 13°33'33" S.

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In Lucifer's discovery chart Dejanira opposes Nessus and HORUS conjuncts NESSUS while ANGEL trines NESSUS and Sextiles DEJANIRA.

I feel this means justice, the abuser will be discovered with HORUS there (light will shine unto the injustice) and an angel is watching over to ensure the wrongdoer is punished.

There is potential for abuse with dejanira opposite Nessus, Ixion conjunct Kaali and Pluto square pallas but there are all these protective factors too. Angel trine and sextile dejanira and nessus, nessus conjunct horus and Saturn conjunct Astraea trine Kaali conjunct Ixion.

It seems like a theme of abuse that ends in justice.

posted April 15, 2018 02:26 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Yes you mentioned 3 key aspects to your chart. Can you tell us about your experience bc you have lived lucifer. Are you a victim of abuse by any chance?

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I'm curious Hypatia, what does Lucifer have to do with abuse? That would be Nessus and Dejanira, perhaps others.

posted April 15, 2018 02:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Mkya00:
I'm curious Hypatia, what does Lucifer have to do with abuse? That would be Nessus and Dejanira, perhaps others.

I'd urge you to read the link I provided above.

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In Lucifer's discovery chart Dejanira opposes Nessus and HORUS conjuncts NESSUS while ANGEL trines NESSUS and Sextiles DEJANIRA.

I feel this means justice, the abuser will be discovered with HORUS there (light will shine unto the injustice) and an angel is watching over to ensure the wrongdoer is punished.

There is potential for abuse with dejanira opposite Nessus, Ixion conjunct Kaali and Pluto square pallas but there are all these protective factors too. Angel trine and sextile dejanira and nessus, nessus conjunct horus and Saturn conjunct Astraea trine Kaali conjunct Ixion.

It seems like a theme of abuse that ends in justice.

About bringing light into the darkness so justice can be achieved.

Do you not see how that does not contradict the stuff from the link? how they complement each other?

Do check link too that secretgeek provided about pallas aspect pluto and the research behind that.

posted April 15, 2018 02:41 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
In Lucifer's discovery chart Dejanira opposes Nessus and HORUS conjuncts NESSUS while ANGEL trines NESSUS and Sextiles DEJANIRA.

I feel this means justice, the abuser will be discovered with HORUS there (light will shine unto the injustice) and an angel is watching over to ensure the wrongdoer is punished.

There is potential for abuse with dejanira opposite Nessus, Ixion conjunct Kaali and Pluto square pallas but there are all these protective factors too. Angel trine and sextile dejanira and nessus, nessus conjunct horus and Saturn conjunct Astraea trine Kaali conjunct Ixion.

It seems like a theme of abuse that ends in justice.

About bringing light into the darkness so justice can be achieved.

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posted April 15, 2018 02:45 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
In Lucifer's discovery chart Dejanira opposes Nessus and HORUS conjuncts NESSUS while ANGEL trines NESSUS and Sextiles DEJANIRA.

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In the chart the arguably most important celestial body is the Sun, which is in Scorpio. As we all know it represents sex, but it also represents death, transformation, and rebirth. Which of course is another representation Christ's resurrection, the phoenix or eagle (a previous animal associated with Scorpio).

Mercury is conjunct Neptune opposed by Jupiter.

Mercury+Neptune imagination and creativity. Imagination that can both be true but not believed and deceptive depending on other aspects.

Jupiter opp. Neptune, curious intellect, question reality of things others take for granted. "The facts of a matter or some societal standards do not constrain your thoughts or behaviors in the normal way."

posted April 15, 2018 02:47 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
"I'm associating the Sacred Feminine with Lucifer."

The "Sacred Feminine" has no gender, nor do Angels nor does God. Gender implies humanity not strictly spiritual beings nor spirituality. Why do you keep trying to associate Lucifer with gender?

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Trust me, I know Sacred Feminine has no gender.

But you keep beating a dead horse and avoiding the reality that Lucifer is Venus which is a representation of the Sacred Feminine.

posted April 15, 2018 02:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Mkya00:
Let's try a good write up on another astrological website that I know everyone visits:

http://www.astro.com/info/tma_article150407_e.htm

Here's some of the quote:
[b]Mary the Light-Bringer
The explicit links between Mary Magdalene and Venus perhaps point to Mary's true identity. In the south of France, where Mary Magdalene landed and established her ministry after the crucifixion, she was known as "Mary Lucifera" or "Mary the Light-bringer." 9 Lucifer is now popularly associated with the devil, conflated with the figure of Satan, but to the ancient Romans, Lucifer (Latin for "light-bringer") referred to the Morning Star, aka Venus. Picknett explains: "This was a time-honored tradition: pagan goddesses were known, for example, as 'Diana Lucifera' or 'Isis Lucifer' to signify their power to illumine mind and soul … to open up both body and psyche to the Holy Light."

I'm sorry if it is hard to believe that Lucifer is associated with both Venus and the representation of the Sacred Feminine. However, I'm not the only one that holds this view. If you care to read the link you will find that the Knights Templar and Freemasons follow this belief as well.

I'm also sorry you don't like the information presented. It doesn't make it any less valid or correct.[/B]

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posted April 15, 2018 03:01 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
In effect, Christianity removed the need for gender discrimination, at least for Christians. You and many others have it backwards.

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Then why has Christianity perpetuated gender discrimination for hundreds of years? Not Jesus and his teachings, but the organized establishment of Christianity.

Even today Christianity can't even agree with itself.

posted April 15, 2018 03:09 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:

Can you explain the justice part more in depth please?

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Astraea 5 is the goddess of justice which is conjunct Saturn the lord of karma that holds people accountable for their actions and disciplines.

Saturn on its own already does that but you add that the goddess of justice is conjuncting Saturn and this reinforces the theme significantly more.

posted April 15, 2018 03:10 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
"But you keep beating a dead horse and avoiding the reality that Lucifer is Venus which is a representation of the Sacred Feminine."

OK, we are finally getting somewhere. The Lucifer asteroid is definitely not Venus. The Lucifer asteroid contains Venus. The planet Venus also contains the asteroid Lucifer. In other words, Venus is embedded in the object of Lucifer. They are not the same. If you don't believe me, check their locations out.

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Who is being literal now? I often find when someone keeps accusing you of something it's because they have 3 fingers pointing back at theirself.

If you really thought I meant that "asteroid Lucifer" was the same thing as "planet Venus" then I can't help you.

posted April 15, 2018 03:12 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Astraea 5 is the goddess of justice which is conjunct Saturn the lord of karma that holds people accountable for their actions and disciplines.

Saturn on its own already does that but you add that the goddess of justice is conjuncting Saturn and this reinforces the theme significantly more.

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Hypatia, I have to disagree.

Astraea is only associated with the Goddess of Justice (Dike).

It says:
"She was the virgin goddess of innocence and purity and is always associated with the Greek goddess of justice, Dike"

And think this quote is interesting:
"Astraea, the celestial virgin, was the last of the immortals to live with humans during the Golden Age, one of the old Greek religion's five deteriorating Ages of Man.[2] According to Ovid, Astraea abandoned the earth during the Iron Age.[3] Fleeing from the new wickedness of humanity, she ascended to heaven to become the constellation Virgo."

posted April 15, 2018 03:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Mkya00:
Then why has Christianity perpetuated gender discrimination for hundreds of years? Not Jesus and his teachings, but the organized establishment of Christianity.

Even today Christianity can't even agree with itself.

But again, you are dictating to me. I provide information you don't like about Lucifer and it's possible real meaning and then you dictate to me.

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posted April 15, 2018 03:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Mkya00:
In the chart the arguably most important celestial body is the Sun, which is in Scorpio. As we all know it represents sex, but it also represents death, transformation, and rebirth. Which of course is another representation Christ's resurrection, the phoenix or eagle (a previous animal associated with Scorpio).

Mercury is conjunct Neptune opposed by Jupiter.

Mercury+Neptune imagination and creativity. Imagination that can both be true but not believed and deceptive depending on other aspects.

Jupiter opp. Neptune, curious intellect, question reality of things others take for granted. [b]"The facts of a matter or some societal standards do not constrain your thoughts or behaviors in the normal way."

Sounds interesting in terms of the women's movement happening in the 1960s at the time of asteroid Lucifer's discovery.[/B]

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You can't debate about the *ASTEROID* lucifer and then ignore the asteroids in lucifer's discovery chart and only focus on the sun and moon and ignore that lucifer has dejanira opposite nessus because it supports better the idea you want in your head about the meaning of lucifer.

There is no way that lucifer having dejanira opposite nessus is not extremely significant.

You should consider this supports your interpretation around lucifer bringing light to women's oppression since Horus and Angel are activating Dejanira opposite Nessus.

posted April 15, 2018 03:18 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:

Good question. Not all Christians permanently have the Holy Spirit. All those that permanently have the Holy Spirit are Christian. Those with the Holy Spirit still sin, some more than others.

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Even though this is about Asteroid Luficer, and you keep making it about Christianity...

How does one know if they have the Holy Spirit? And further, who decides who has the Holy Spirit?

posted April 15, 2018 03:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Mkya00:

[b]Who is being literal now? I often find when someone keeps accusing you of something it's because they have 3 fingers pointing back at theirself.

If you really thought I meant that "asteroid Lucifer" was the same thing as "planet Venus" then I can't help you.

However, thanks for changing your argument to a more "literal" one.[/B]

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posted April 15, 2018 03:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Mkya00:
Hypatia, I have to disagree.

Astraea is only associated with the Goddess of Justice (Dike).

It says:
"She was the virgin goddess of innocence and purity and is always associated with the Greek goddess of justice, Dike"

And think this quote is interesting:
"Astraea, the celestial virgin, was the last of the immortals to live with humans during the Golden Age, one of the old Greek religion's five deteriorating Ages of Man.[2] According to Ovid, Astraea abandoned the earth during the Iron Age.[3] Fleeing from the new wickedness of humanity, she ascended to heaven to become the constellation Virgo."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astraea

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I said that Astraea is the goddess of justice LOL. What exactly are you disagreeing with me? That is the only thing I have said about astraea,kept it simple, that she is the goddess of justice.

posted April 15, 2018 03:30 PM            

LOL it makes sense lucifer has a reputation for been prideful and not a good listener and been rebellious! LOL He has a famous rep for having a big ego LOL

I found this in another thread:

about Lucifer,by wikipedia

Joseph Campbell (1972: pp. 148–149) illustrates an unorthodox Islamic reading of Lucifer's fall from Heaven, which champions Lucifer's eclipsing love for God:

One of the most amazing images of love that I know is in Persian – a mystical Persian representation as Satan as the most loyal lover of God. You will have heard the old legend of how, when God created the angels, he commanded them to pay worship to no one but himself; but then, creating man, he commanded them to bow in reverence to this most noble of his works, and Lucifer refused – because, we are told, of his pride. However, according to this Muslim reading of his case, it was rather because he loved and adored God so deeply and intensely that he could not bring himself to bow before anything else, and because he refused to bow down to something inferior to him (since he was made of fire, and man from clay). And it was for that that he was flung into Hell, condemned to exist there for eternity, apart from his love.
This interpretation of the satanic rebellion described in the Quran is seen by some Sufi teachers such as Mansur Al-Hallaj (in his 'Tawasin') as a predestined scenario in which Iblis-Shaitan plays the role of tragic and jealous lover who, unable to perceive the Divine Image in Adam and capable only of seeing the exterior, disobeyed the divine mandate to bow down. His refusal (according to the Tawasin) was due to a misconceived idea of God's uniqueness and because of his refusal to abandon himself to God in love. Hallaj criticized the staleness of Iblis' adoration. Excerpts from Sufi texts expounding this interpretation have been included along with many other viewpoints on Shaitan (by no means all of them apologetic) in an important anthology of Sufi texts edited by Dr. Javad Nurbakhsh, head of the Nimatullahi Sufi Order.[20]

The Sufi teacher Pir Vilayat Inayat Khan taught that 'Luciferian Light' is Light that has become dislocated from the Divine Source and is thus associated with the seductive false light of the lower ego, which lures humankind into self-centered delusion.[21] Here Lucifer represents what the Sufis term the 'Nafs', the ego.

posted April 15, 2018 03:32 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Astraea 5 is the goddess of justice which is conjunct Saturn the lord of karma that holds people accountable for their actions and disciplines.

Saturn on its own already does that but you add that the goddess of justice is conjuncting Saturn and this reinforces the theme significantly more.

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