posted April 16, 2018 11:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Mkya00:

My only concern is that historically, Lucifer was the name for Venus and not for Satan. This is why I question it. The whole "Lucifer = Satan" thing came WAY after Lucifer being another name for Venus.

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I think it can be both, if you think about it lucifer does punish people who sin so you can get that theme of justice/truth that way or through venus bc venus rules libra. But like you have pointed out Lucifer is connected to the venus morning star so is both I feel.

posted April 16, 2018 11:39 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:

I see him as the light bringer too, I feel the discovery chart supports this, I also see a pride theme, a justice theme, a protection theme. I also feel Lucifer is deviant but not in a bad way, he has a strong character and will not just obey blindly, he is his own person with his own mind. His is about Justice and Truth, that is his purpose. But he is also a play boy/lover boy and primal when it comes to sex but in a good way, its hot, makes the ladies want to pull down their panties off for him.

So he is a complex character which makes him fascinating and I like him. To reduce him to just an asteroid about pride is a huge sad unfortunate disservice.

He is about bringing the truth to light and he owns his sins or selfish nature and accepts himself as he was made and I respect that.

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Hypatia:
I want to play up the "pride" and "justice" theme you see in Lucifer's light bringing.

Consider that the story that I linked about Mary Magdalene, aka Mary Lucifer/Mary Light-bringer, had pride in carrying Jesus' message (and child/bloodline, if you believe that aspect), as well as a certain desire for justice for his unjust execution.

Consider that Isis Lucifer (light-bringer) in mythology had learned the secret name of Ra (the sun god), which made him fear her. Then there's the whole Isis seeking a just burial for Osiris after Seth kills him.

Similarly, Diana Lucifera and her twin Apollo Lucifero. Diana brings the light of the Moon and Apollo the light of the Sun.

I think the nuts and bolts of "Lucifer" is about illumination with some Venus in there. The justice/pride is a justice/pride of LOVE - Mary and Isis. (My opinion based on historical use rather than warped interpretations.)

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I could take my interpretation and say that my Lucifer conj. Pholus conj. Karma conj. Mercury is about providing illuminating communication. (maybe?) ...and increasing my communication skills of my Mercury trine Moon (below).

My Lucifer trines my Moon/Isis/Nymphe/Quaoar (tight conjunction) by exactly 2 deg. (My Mercury trines my Moon.)

My Lucifer (+Karma+Mercury) is ~1 degree square my Neptune conj. Antares culminating on my MC. The interpretation for Venus square Neptune fits this for me, if I were to replace Lucifer with Venus. (My natal Venus does not aspect my Neptune.)

However, the Venus interpretation...
https://astrologyking.com/venus-square-neptune/
I have had low self-esteem and definite disappointment in love. I have been on a journey of learning to love myself with serious bumps in that road (back to the disappointment in love). I have never been accepted by the "in crowd."

In fact, one of the things that this interpretation says can help is "Dance around a bit...No one has to see, not if you don't want them to" I've actually been doing that a lot lately - dancing to Bob Marley and Eminem.

posted April 17, 2018 12:28 AM            

If I take my Lucifer conj. Mercury and substitute Lucifer for Venus I get this interpretation:

https://astrologyking.com/mercury-conjunct-venus/

I will focus on the negative aspect, as it is incredibly apropos to what I've been through in my life:
"You may have a tendency to be passive and submissive but this is a means by which you achieve peace in your life."

posted April 17, 2018 09:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Mkya00:
Jesus had pride, or did you not read the Book of Mark (which represents Leo... pride)?

Mark = Leo
Matthew = Aquarius
Luke = Taurus
John = Scorpio (Lazarus, resurrection)

4 horsemen of the apocalypse = 4 cardinal signs

/Edit: oops, wrong book, it was Mark.

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We have one will in our soul. Lucifer also has one will even though it is not human. Jesus has two wills. It is called a Hypostatic Union. Jesus always submitted His human will to His divine will. Without these two wills, most of us would be up a creek without a paddle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypostatic_union

posted April 17, 2018 09:59 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Asteroid Lucifer its not Venus, Venus is a planet, I would not use Venus to interpret Asteroid Lucifer. Lucifer is the morning star but that doesn't mean that it stops been an asteroid and becomes planet venus.

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The word Lucifer has meant Venus. If you ask a Freemason and anyone that has study esoteric teachings what "Lucifer" means, they will say "Venus."

I realize Venus is a planet. However, if Lucifer functions like Venus then using the Venus interpretations is a start to understanding/examining asteroid Lucifer.

I hope this makes sense, at least to some.

Here's a video of a Christian attacking a Freemason (who is also a Christian), and at the end says - "This is what a Mason confesses, that Lucifer is light."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBFuEo0Jzd8

First comment on the YouTube Video tries to explain it:
"They do, in a sense, but it's not Lucifer as personified and demonified by popular texts. He's telling you the truth, but you're not hearing what he's really saying because not only are you all not in-the-know, you wouldn't be able to understand even if he told you - You'd just think he was insane or a possessed madman, and that's how the enlightened appear to the lesser. As far as I can tell he's just having a bit of fun with you, because when you hear "Lucifer" you think red guy with horns and a pitchfork, but the Morning Star bestows knowledge upon those who can see the signs and decipher the mind of the universe. He wants you to spread the video because it gets the message out to those who seek the Light."

^^The Morning Star bestows knowledge... (The Morning Star = Venus)

Ironic that my Lucifer is conjunct Mercury and I'm trying to bestow knowledge, but no one is really listening. Complete disregard for etymology, for historical use of the word. And just like the comment above, I'm sure many of you see me as a "madman." Oh the irony.

posted April 17, 2018 11:46 AM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
The strongest thing in Lucifer's chart is Isis and Tara together IMO. That is about as hot as possible.

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posted April 17, 2018 11:48 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
hahahahha He is a hottie, that is true.

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posted April 17, 2018 12:00 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
Not a pride theme IMO. It is the opposite. Prideful people are attracted to Lucifer. Sadists are all over it.

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posted April 17, 2018 12:01 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
"It". Lucifer is not a "he".

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posted April 17, 2018 12:09 PM            

In spite of this I see how Lucifer brings light to darkness and is about Justice YES but I don't think they are enlightened to the degree they see think either, they are a little delusional and lack humility.

posted April 17, 2018 12:12 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I would think Lucifera is a girl, I am spanish speaking native and when you add an A like that at the end is the female version.

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posted April 17, 2018 02:09 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
Good point. But, you could study the issue of gender discrimination. For example, God is referred to by He in most texts. God of course has no gender. Those references in texts using He were by biased men that controlled the texts. That is the way they chose to relate since the Father (God) is to us like males are father to children.

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posted April 17, 2018 02:13 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
A sadist won't try to mate with a sadist.

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