posted April 15, 2018 03:36 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
TY. So as an example with Mars opposite Saturn/Astrea, would it work like a conscience?

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posted April 15, 2018 03:40 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
TY. So as an example with Mars opposite Saturn/Astrea, would it work like a conscience?

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posted April 15, 2018 04:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Mkya00:
Even though this is about Asteroid Luficer, and you keep making it about Christianity...

How does one know if they have the Holy Spirit? And further, who decides who has the Holy Spirit?

Does anyone truly "know" they have it?

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"Then why has Christianity perpetuated gender discrimination for hundreds of years? "

posted April 15, 2018 04:06 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:

You can't debate about the *ASTEROID* lucifer and then ignore the asteroids in lucifer's discovery chart and only focus on the sun and moon and ignore that lucifer has dejanira opposite nessus because it supports better the idea you want in your head about the meaning of lucifer.

There is no way that lucifer having dejanira opposite nessus is not extremely significant.

You should consider this supports your interpretation around lucifer bringing light to women's oppression since Horus and Angel are activating Dejanira opposite Nessus.

However I would argue that its meant to bring light to abuse and oppression regardless of gender.

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posted April 15, 2018 04:07 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:

I said that Astraea is the goddess of justice LOL. What exactly are you disagreeing with me? That is the only thing I have said about astraea,kept it simple, that she is the goddess of justice.

She happens to be conjunct saturn in Lucifer's discovery chart and I was talking about that.

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posted April 15, 2018 04:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Mkya00:
Hypatia, I wasn't trying to take away from your post only add to it.

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posted April 15, 2018 04:13 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Lucifer has in its discovery chart mercury in scorpio (stubborn) conjunct neptune (not understanding clearly what others are saying, communication break down) opposite jupiter (pride in their thinking, know it all, lack of humility) square mars (rebellious,pride,argumentative,"I am right, you are wrong").

LOL it makes sense lucifer has a reputation for been prideful and not a good listener and been rebellious! LOL He has a famous rep for having a big ego LOL

I found this in another thread:

about Lucifer,by wikipedia

Joseph Campbell (1972: pp. 148–149) illustrates an unorthodox Islamic reading of Lucifer's fall from Heaven, which champions Lucifer's eclipsing love for God:

One of the most amazing images of love that I know is in Persian – a mystical Persian representation as Satan as the most loyal lover of God. You will have heard the old legend of how, when God created the angels, he commanded them to pay worship to no one but himself; but then, creating man, he commanded them to bow in reverence to this most noble of his works, and Lucifer refused – because, we are told, of his pride. However, according to this Muslim reading of his case, it was rather because he loved and adored God so deeply and intensely that he could not bring himself to bow before anything else, and because he refused to bow down to something inferior to him (since he was made of fire, and man from clay). And it was for that that he was flung into Hell, condemned to exist there for eternity, apart from his love.
This interpretation of the satanic rebellion described in the Quran is seen by some Sufi teachers such as Mansur Al-Hallaj (in his 'Tawasin') as a predestined scenario in which Iblis-Shaitan plays the role of tragic and jealous lover who, unable to perceive the Divine Image in Adam and capable only of seeing the exterior, disobeyed the divine mandate to bow down. His refusal (according to the Tawasin) was due to a misconceived idea of God's uniqueness and because of his refusal to abandon himself to God in love. Hallaj criticized the staleness of Iblis' adoration. Excerpts from Sufi texts expounding this interpretation have been included along with many other viewpoints on Shaitan (by no means all of them apologetic) in an important anthology of Sufi texts edited by Dr. Javad Nurbakhsh, head of the Nimatullahi Sufi Order.[20]

The Sufi teacher Pir Vilayat Inayat Khan taught that 'Luciferian Light' is Light that has become dislocated from the Divine Source and is thus associated with the seductive false light of the lower ego, which lures humankind into self-centered delusion.[21] Here Lucifer represents what the Sufis term the 'Nafs', the ego.

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posted April 15, 2018 04:16 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Or were the expression "the Devil's Advocate" comes from ...which is important, keeps us honest and in check.

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posted April 15, 2018 04:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Mkya00:
Dike is the Goddess of Justice. Astraea is only associated with Dike.

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posted April 15, 2018 04:31 PM            

asteroid Truth is 26min. conj. Dejanira (+Antares)

asteroid Eros conj. Sun in Scorpio

asteroid Alma (soul) conj. BML in Cap.

asteroid Compassion conj. Magdalene in Scorpio

asteroid Spirit conj. Yeshuhua in Scorpio

posted April 15, 2018 04:44 PM            

The way you match discovery charts with natal (synastry) would really come in handy with this one to help decipher how lucifer manifests case by case.

Like with me I was at risk of abuse by the pool guy in my neighborhood but my neighbor (angel) noticed and intervene.

If you look at my natal I have jupiter conjunct Uranus which rules my 4th house (childhood) in Sag at 5d opposing exact Lucifer's Nessus in Gemini at 5d and conjuncting Lucifer's Dejanira. Lucifer's Angel trine Nessus and sextile Dejanira protected me and abuse did not take place.

I also identify with Lucifer's need for justice bc my Pluto conjunct Astraea falls on Lucifer's Kaali conjuct Ixion which trines Saturn conjunct Astraea.

Now my client who was raped at 14 is now an advocate for victims, she has Lucifer square her Mars conjunct Southnode. She put him in jail. She was also a victim of domestic violence.

Her own Mars, mine does too, conjuncts Lucifer's Mars which opposes Saturn conjunct Astrae. Her current job is at a non profit organization that provides legal aid to victims and she is an advocate that does the intakes for these victims who call in seeking legal aid.

I did consider been a lawyer, a counselor or a lawyer, these were my top two interests career wise and my mars conjuncts Lucifer's mars like my client who is also interested in becoming a counselor btw.

posted April 15, 2018 04:54 PM            

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asteroid Truth is 26min. conj. Dejanira (+Antares)

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posted April 15, 2018 04:58 PM            

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asteroid Spirit conj. Yeshuhua in Scorpio...

The whole death/resurrection theme.

posted April 15, 2018 05:12 PM            

The "me too" movement was reignited on October 2017 and transit Saturn conjunct Ixion were conjuncting Lucifer's SOUTHNODE! hahahahaha (secretgeek loves nodal stuff).

That is insane.

posted April 15, 2018 05:36 PM            

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So truth is on Dejanira, Horus on Nessus and Angel trines and sextiles that.

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posted April 15, 2018 05:38 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
There was plenty of that recently.

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posted April 15, 2018 07:04 PM            

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Absolute truth could be Lucifer's biggest vulnerability.

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"Absolute truth is something that is true at all times and in all places. It is something that is always true no matter what the circumstances. It is a fact that cannot be changed. For example, there are no round squares."

Reality is not black and white, I think Lucifer understands this and is part of what fuels his rebellious nature but he listens to his truth and lives by it, he does not obey blindly.

I do identify with Lucifer. He is part of my Osiris septile series.

1. Osiris in Taurus at 12d44
2. Isis in Cancer at 4d35 (exact at 4d10)
3. Ambrosia in Leo at 26d00 conjunct partner's venus in leo at 25d31 (exact at 26d17),
4. Exe's Juno in Libra at 17d15 conjunct his Alma at 20d47 (exact at 18d24)
5. ANTARES in sag at 9d47 (exact at 10d31)
6. Lucifer in aquarius at 2d07 (exact at 2d34)
7. Abundantia in Pisces at 26d19 (exact at 24d)

Transit Juno in Cancer at 17 degrees activated his natal Juno in Libra the day we met which activates my osiris septile series. Tr northnode conjuncted exact my Isis also activating my Osiris septile series. Tr Osiris conjuncted exact my Neptune on the Galactic Center.

The septile series are found by dividing 360 degrees by 7 so the septile aspect = 51 degrees 25 minutes 43 seconds. Multiples of this give bi-septile = 102° 51’26”; tri-septile = 154° 17’ 08”; quad-septile = 205° 42’ 51”; quin-septile = 257°08’34”; sen-septile 308° 34’17”. This makes up a seven point star.

posted April 15, 2018 07:44 PM            

The aspect to my Midheaven is particularly interesting given how I will approach my stories as a writer. Surprisingly, it's only a semi-square, so maybe there won't be too much of a negative backlash to what I write about, probably because I'm mostly interested in writing fiction. My approach to my work is basically just a different spin on old story concepts and I'm not sure how this will go. What I view as the truth and what I've come to believe is in slight opposition to how stories are typically told. For example, in most stories, some of my characters would be antagonists rather than part of the good side and the supporting cast.

Saturn's trine to Lucifer is the second tightest aspect I have found in my natal chart that I can remember (there might be a much tigter one that I've forgotten about). I seem to have several tight aspects involving Saturn. This isn't too surprising since I feel influenced by Saturn fairly often (I have Sun square Saturn).

By progression, Lucifer is very tightly parallel my progressed Ascendant, very tightly parallel my progressed Uranus, and very tightly contra-parallel my progressed Mercury. All these declinations are within 3 minutes of being completely exact.

posted April 15, 2018 10:01 PM            

Author of the Satanic Bible

Lavey established a cult on 30 April 1966, holding Friday night seminars where he displayed his full drama with a flowing cape and macabre decorations. His mass included a nude woman draped over the alter and he reportedly served a baked cadaver at one time. Not averse to publicity, he displayed his pets that included a tarantula, a leopard and a lion. His cult celebrated carnal indulgence, vengeance and the rule of Satan. With charismatic power and keen intelligence, he was typecast as the Devil in the movie "Rosemary's Baby." http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Lavey,_Anton_Szandor

Anthony Lavay (inside) and Lucifer (outside) to show both Lucifers on top of each other. Lavay had Nessus on his Sun similar to Lucifer's Lucifer being parallel to Lucifer's Nessus. Interestingly, Lavay's Slave and Lavay's Master are almost identical in declination being only seconds apart. Lavay's Sado was on Lucifer's NN while Lavay's NN was on Lucifer's Bondar (Bondage). Prolly most important, Lavay's Part of Fortune was on Lucifer's Master.

1930,7066,157,h21,h22,13693,14708,21561,118230,21419

posted April 16, 2018 11:24 AM            

But Lucifer does have Sun conjunct Eros in Scorpio in his discovery chart so Lucifer is quite the seductive playboy/lover boy. Add that my nessus conjunct vertex can relate to Lucifer.

Nessus's discovery chart has Sun square Eros so they both have Eros on their sun and this primal thing going around erotic love.

AND OMG!

Lucifer's Discovery Chart has:

Psyche in Aquarius at 7d11

Nessus's Discovery Chart has:

Eros in Aquarius at 7d22

Lucifer and Nessus are soulmates and have the hots for eachother

posted April 16, 2018 11:35 AM            

In the composite of Lucifer's Discovery chart and Nessu's Discovery chart they have have Sun conjunct Priapus and Kaali!!!!!! That is super hot.

Sun in Leo at 6d28
18°39'30" N

Priapus in Leo at 10d05
17°43' 3" N

Kaali in Leo at 10d32
17°18'29" S

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In my natal I have:

Nessus in Leo at 10d10
Vertex in Leo at 8d08
Lucifer at 18°46'26" S

posted April 16, 2018 02:40 PM            

My Vertex is close to Lucifer's Slave/Dejanira combo. It is the strongest point of my chart.